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Not sure if anyone's mentioned this but...

Our wingers (Albrighton, Gray, Barnes, Perez) have scored 8 league goals in the 12 games away from home this season.

And not a single goal at home.

 

No winger has scored in the league at King Power Stadium under Brendan Rodgers' management in 16 games.

9 goals have been scored by wingers away from home in 17 games.

That doesn't include Maddison's goal at Anfield from the left wing either.

 

Barnes is yet to score a league goal at home (West Ham away, Sheff Utd away, Burnley away).

Perez's best four performances, IMO (Southampton, Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham) were all away.

Gray's only home league goal since December 2017 came under Stowell/Sadler at home to Brighton in February 2019 - five of his last six goals have been away.

Albrighton hasn't scored at all since Boxing Day 2018, although he does tend to score a more reasonable proportion of his goals at home.

 

If they were as good at home as they were away, we would be getting 25 goals a season from our four wide players, which averages out at a very respectable 6-7 goals each (more for the other three when you consider Albrighton's playstyle means less goals anyway).

 

Anyone got any rationale for this?

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Way too much is read into home form vs. away form, IMO.

 

We've scored more goals away from home this season, we've arguably played as a more coherent team and just been more creative.

 

There are so many variables as to why this is that it's almost not worth trying to ascertain why. It just happens.

 

Source: me (football expert).

 

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1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

Way too much is read into home form vs. away form, IMO.

 

We've scored more goals away from home this season, we've arguably played as a more coherent team and just been more creative.

 

There are so many variables as to why this is that it's almost not worth trying to ascertain why. It just happens.

 

Source: me (football expert).

 

Coincidentally we've scored 8 more away from home, and that's the exact number of goals our wide players have scored.

 

Home v Away:

Perez 0v5, 100% away

Barnes 0v2, 100% away

Gray 0v1, 100% away

Chilwell 0v1, 100% away

Soyuncu 0v1, 100% away

Evans 0v1, 100% away

Choudhury 0v1, 100% away

Iheanacho 1v2, 67% away

Vardy - 8v9, 53% away

Maddison 3v3, 50% away

Ndidi 1v1, 50% away

Tielemans 2v1, 33% away

Ricardo 2v0, 0% away

Praet 1v0, 0% away

 

Granted there are lots of variables, the fact that nobody has scored a home goal from a wide position in 11 months of Brendan Rodgers' reign is a massive, massive problem when you consider we score quite freely from those areas away.

 

Gray v Brighton, Albrighton v Man City and Ghezzal v Liverpool are the only goals scored by a winger at home since Mahrez left - he scored four alone in his final eight home appearances for us!

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Evans scored at Villa

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1 hour ago, jeffschlupp said:

Coincidentally we've scored 8 more away from home, and that's the exact number of goals our wide players have scored.

 

Home v Away:

Perez 0v5, 100% away

Barnes 0v2, 100% away

Gray 0v1, 100% away

Chilwell 0v1, 100% away

Soyuncu 0v1, 100% away

Choudhury 0v1, 100% away

Iheanacho 1v2, 67% away

Vardy - 8v9, 53% away

Maddison 3v3, 50% away

Ndidi 1v1, 50% away

Tielemans 2v1, 33% away

Ricardo 2v0, 0% away

Praet 1v0, 0% away

Evans 1v0, 0% away

 

Granted there are lots of variables, the fact that nobody has scored a home goal from a wide position in 11 months of Brendan Rodgers' reign is a massive, massive problem when you consider we score quite freely from those areas away.

 

Gray v Brighton, Albrighton v Man City and Ghezzal v Liverpool are the only goals scored by a winger at home since Mahrez left - he scored four alone in his final eight home appearances for us!

Evans scored at Villa

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That's actually a cracking stat and pretty ****ing shocking to be fair. I mean it'll be largely about how teams approach us home and away but still. 

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9 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

Evans scored at Villa

When I was doing the stats I couldn't be arsed to check because my brain was still convinced he scored against Southampton....

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36 minutes ago, jeffschlupp said:

When I was doing the stats I couldn't be arsed to check because my brain was still convinced he scored against Southampton....

Fair enough. Didn't he miss from a yard out?

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Against Villa away, I saw Sky put up a stat saying we had the most fast break goals in the league. I know we aren’t a counter attacking team anymore, but our players are definitely still suited to that still and hitting fast. Maybe we just are better against teams away because they feel they can play more against us and as a result our wingers score goals. 

 

Or maybe the wingers feel the the pressure of needing to perform at home and be the one who’s going to be our standout wideman. 

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50 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

That's actually a cracking stat and pretty ****ing shocking to be fair. I mean it'll be largely about how teams approach us home and away but still. 

It's a good stat, but not that shocking, teams playing at the KP, sit deep in a low block and make the pitch as small as possible.

 

At home the onus is on them to attack, leaving more space and opportunities on the break.

 

I'd say it actually makes sense..

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5 hours ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

I feel Perez and Barnes have missed a shed load of gilt edged chances this season. I don't think it's unreasonable to say that they should both be nudging double figures by now, given the opportunities created. 

That's me shut up then!! Must of motivated them. 

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9 hours ago, jeffschlupp said:

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this but...

Our wingers (Albrighton, Gray, Barnes, Perez) have scored 8 league goals in the 12 games away from home this season.

And not a single goal at home.

 

No winger has scored in the league at King Power Stadium under Brendan Rodgers' management in 16 games.

9 goals have been scored by wingers away from home in 17 games.

That doesn't include Maddison's goal at Anfield from the left wing either.

 

Barnes is yet to score a league goal at home (West Ham away, Sheff Utd away, Burnley away).

Perez's best four performances, IMO (Southampton, Brighton, Newcastle, West Ham) were all away.

Gray's only home league goal since December 2017 came under Stowell/Sadler at home to Brighton in February 2019 - five of his last six goals have been away.

Albrighton hasn't scored at all since Boxing Day 2018, although he does tend to score a more reasonable proportion of his goals at home.

 

If they were as good at home as they were away, we would be getting 25 goals a season from our four wide players, which averages out at a very respectable 6-7 goals each (more for the other three when you consider Albrighton's playstyle means less goals anyway).

 

Anyone got any rationale for this?

Heard you on radio leicester mate nice plug 

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We've never got past the quarter finals of the champions league either

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11 hours ago, jeffschlupp said:

Coincidentally we've scored 8 more away from home, and that's the exact number of goals our wide players have scored.

 

Home v Away:

Perez 0v5, 100% away

Barnes 0v2, 100% away

Gray 0v1, 100% away

Chilwell 0v1, 100% away

Soyuncu 0v1, 100% away

Evans 0v1, 100% away

Choudhury 0v1, 100% away

Iheanacho 1v2, 67% away

Vardy - 8v9, 53% away

Maddison 3v3, 50% away

Ndidi 1v1, 50% away

Tielemans 2v1, 33% away

Ricardo 2v0, 0% away

Praet 1v0, 0% away

 

Granted there are lots of variables, the fact that nobody has scored a home goal from a wide position in 11 months of Brendan Rodgers' reign is a massive, massive problem when you consider we score quite freely from those areas away.

 

Gray v Brighton, Albrighton v Man City and Ghezzal v Liverpool are the only goals scored by a winger at home since Mahrez left - he scored four alone in his final eight home appearances for us!


I’m not sure of the assist stats of our wingers at home but teams playing away do tend to sit in and also congest the middle of the pitch. This means playing with width would benefit us. Playing with width against a team sitting deep would mean we score goals but they’re created by the wingers/fullbacks (not always as an assist but the play is mainly down the flanks). As long as we’re scoring goals at home, I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem. Rodgers uses wingers and overlapping fullbacks to create space in the middle by easing the congestion, dragging opposition central players out to assist their fullbacks. 
 

Stats are insignificant unless there’s a real problem and it’s always better to look at the bigger picture when one particular stat like this appears. 

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