Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 10 hours ago, browniefox said: Has this Cvnt never come across cancer? You cannot catch cancer from others for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 9 hours ago, LinekersLugs said: First Case confirmed at LRI ... patient sent home and into self quarantine ! He will be in morrison’s later I bet people are so stupid to be trusted to mange this Sadly I can see you been right, if people are self quarantined at the least they need to be gps tagged, and if they go against it, put them in a cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, KrefelderFox666 said: I don't get it. Just advise people to leave their house at own risk. Most people will be unaffected. The vulnerable ones need to take precautions and stay at home. Doesn't mean everyone else should be stopped. It's just the media making a big deal of it. Be sensible. As I posted earlier, the media are actually understating it to avoid panic. Claiming death rates as low as 1-2% when they around 20-30%. If death rates were really 1% do you think china would have bolted people in their homes, built prefab hospitals and shut off a city? Infected doesnt mean survival, its undetermined and as such shouldnt be used as factual data for determining rate of deaths. Edited 7 March 2020 by Chrysalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: Sadly I can see you been right, if people are self quarantined at the least they need to be gps tagged, and if they go against it, put them in a cell. That wouldn’t be self isolation then though would it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 Just now, Costock_Fox said: That wouldn’t be self isolation then though would it. It would if you did what were you told. A bit like someone tagged on parole, they free, but are tracked in case they misbehave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The whole world smiles Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 Jesus Christ lads, some of you are really loosing your minds! What happened to the spirit of the blitz, the stiff upper lip. I'd rather die from it than live in fear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, Chrysalis said: If death rates were really 1% do you think china would have bolted people in their homes, built prefab hospitals and shut off a city? Well yeah probably? I don’t think the Hippocratic oath states well as long as loads and loads of people aren’t dying we’ll just ride it out and see what happens. 1-2% death rate still equates to somebodies loved ones dying, it isn’t just a statistic despite what it might look like on the news - you try and preserve life wherever and however you can, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Manini said: Well yeah probably? I don’t think the Hippocratic oath states well as long as loads and loads of people aren’t dying we’ll just ride it out and see what happens. 1-2% death rate still equates to somebodies loved ones dying, it isn’t just a statistic despite what it might look like on the news - you try and preserve life wherever and however you can, surely? You do but the death rates are nowhere near 1%, hence their reaction. Lets say e.g. 100 people catch a virus After 2 weeks 50 die After 2 weeks 50 recover After 2 weeks another 100,000 have been infected, and their fate is unknown. is the death rate 50% or 0.05%? Edited 7 March 2020 by Chrysalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manini Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 Just now, Chrysalis said: You do but the death rates are nowhere near 1%, hence their reaction. Lets say e.g. 100 people catch a virus After 2 weeks 50% die After 2 weeks 50% recover After 2 weeks another 100,000 have been infected, and there fate is unknown/ is the death rate 50% or 0.05%? Got you. Misunderstood what you were saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, Chrysalis said: You do but the death rates are nowhere near 1%, hence their reaction. Lets say e.g. 100 people catch a virus After 2 weeks 50% die After 2 weeks 50% recover After 2 weeks another 100,000 have been infected, and there fate is unknown/ is the death rate 50% or 0.05%? Somewhere in between? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 3 minutes ago, Silva Fox said: Somewhere in between? After 4 weeks, 50k of the 100k have died and now a million are infected. Still in between? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 3 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: After 4 weeks, 50k of the 100k have died and now a million are infected. Still in between? 50k deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Silva Fox said: 50k deaths? yes so at that point it would 50,050 died, 50,050 recovered, 1million infected. My point is its easy to skew the stats if you add someone who has been infected for 5 minutes as a survivor. Edited 7 March 2020 by Chrysalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ cases which had an outcome 94% recovered 6% mortality rate this doesn’t take into account the cases which are mild and don’t even have to test. i would say true mortality rate is 3-4% hopefully lower in the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silva Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, Chrysalis said: yes so at that point it would 50,050 died, 50,050 recovered, 1million infected. More like 3.5k deaths so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joachim1965 Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 hour ago, JamesfromlondonLCFC said: how exactly does it make me a ****? i get 2 weeks off, and definitely wont die, and a lot of people who get it experience very mild symptoms, so its quite literally is a 2 week holiday. Definitely won't die? How do you know that. I don't know how old you are but some relatively young people have died. 10% of sufferers end up in intensive care but hey, hope you have a great holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, dylanlegend said: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ cases which had an outcome 94% recovered 6% mortality rate this doesn’t take into account the cases which are mild and don’t even have to test. i would say true mortality rate is 3-4% hopefully lower in the UK That’s still horrific though isn’t it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 11 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: You do but the death rates are nowhere near 1%, hence their reaction. Lets say e.g. 100 people catch a virus After 2 weeks 50 die After 2 weeks 50 recover After 2 weeks another 100,000 have been infected, and their fate is unknown. is the death rate 50% or 0.05%? We have known data from Wuhan and the cruise ship, where there are few / no new cases with unknown outcome to mess with the mortality rates. The 0.6-3.4% estimates are from that data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, brucey said: We have known data from Wuhan and the cruise ship, where there are few / no new cases with unknown outcome to mess with the mortality rates. The 0.6-3.4% estimates are from that data. So everyone has now recovered or died in Wuhan and the cruise ship? Odd as the stats show thousands are still infected there. China has 53k recoveries vs 3k deaths, that has a fatality rate much lower than outside of china, and I do accept these figures for china, which is just under 5%. No idea how you changed that to 0.6-3.4% though. Edited 7 March 2020 by Chrysalis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 25 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: As I posted earlier, the media are actually understating it to avoid panic. Claiming death rates as low as 1-2% when they around 20-30%. If death rates were really 1% do you think china would have bolted people in their homes, built prefab hospitals and shut off a city? Infected doesnt mean survival, its undetermined and as such shouldnt be used as factual data for determining rate of deaths. What are you smoking? If the death rate was 20-30% the world would literally come to a stand still, nobody wouldnt be allowed to leave their houses. Ebola death rate was 50%, if that ever got out of hand we really would have problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, dylanlegend said: What are you smoking? If the death rate was 20-30% the world would literally come to a stand still, nobody wouldnt be allowed to leave their houses. Ebola death rate was 50%, if that ever got out of hand we really would have problems You avoid all that by reporting the death rate as 1%. Which is what has been done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 5 minutes ago, Costock_Fox said: That’s still horrific though isn’t it. Not great but the majority are people with underlying conditions and 70+ (not that makes I agree though normally I’m not bothered bout stuff like this but this is a bit alarming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costock_Fox Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 1 minute ago, Chrysalis said: You avoid all that by reporting the death rate as 1%. Which is what has been done. Presume you are now living in your cupboard under the stairs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanlegend Posted 7 March 2020 Share Posted 7 March 2020 Just now, Chrysalis said: You avoid all that by reporting the death rate as 1%. Which is what has been done. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ as posted above, of all cases with an outcome the death rate is 6% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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