Coronavirus Thread

[reynard]

30 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Well that’s not true because more people are hospitalised that are vaccinated than non-vaccinated.

Hmm I wonder why this is?

[reynard]

23 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Such a bloody pisstake. Three tests and well over 60 quid just to go to Italy for a few days.

Some of us can recall the days when you had to buy visas to visit countries in Europe. You either paid or didn't go as you wouldn't be let in without one. So if you don't like it don't go or wait till next year.

[GingerrrFox]

7 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

What's your understanding of why this is, GF?

I haven’t got a clue but equally I don’t have a clue why people are so bothered about others vaccination status when it’s been proven with Delta and now Omicron, that the viral load is the same whether you are vaccinated or non-vaccinated. 

[FoxesDeb]

5 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

I haven’t got a clue but equally I don’t have a clue why people are so bothered about others vaccination status when it’s been proven with Delta and now Omicron, that the viral load is the same whether you are vaccinated or non-vaccinated. 

Do you understand the difference between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated, and how they respond to the viral load of an infected person? 

[Phil Bowman]

50 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Why are these basic facts having to be explained again and again and again? Why do people not understand these things nearly 2 years into this?

I think it must be because they don’t want to.

[Mike Oxlong]

In other news, more vaccinated than unvaccinated people had a cup of tea today. You heard it here first ! 

[CosbehFox]

8 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

I haven’t got a clue but equally I don’t have a clue why people are so bothered about others vaccination status when it’s been proven with Delta and now Omicron, that the viral load is the same whether you are vaccinated or non-vaccinated. 

The fact whether hospitalisation happens or not is irrelevant. It happens less than it could have thanks to the vaccine. 
 

Hospitalisations are down with minimal restrictions compared to the peaks when the public was completely unvaccinated and we had restrictions in place. 
 

As explained before, most vaccinated hospitalisation are treatable with anti viral drugs and therefore demand on the beds is less. Unvaccinated hospitalisations are more likely to require ICU treatment. 
 

That latter point is currently decimating a workforce which was already undervalued and building a level of resentment amongst them which is going to leave us with a skills gap of fewer nurses in the future. 

[Phil Bowman]

48 minutes ago, GingerrrFox said:

Well that’s not true because more people are hospitalised that are vaccinated than non-vaccinated.

Massively more people are hospitalised that have two legs than have one leg. I reckon I’ll get a leg removed to hugely reduce the likelihood of my ending up in hospital.

[Phil Bowman]

4 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

In other news, more vaccinated than unvaccinated people had a cup of tea today. You heard it here first ! 

Well that can’t be true because I know loads of people who are vaccinated but didn’t have a cup of tea today.

[WigstonWanderer]

Brilliant analogies guys. 

[Strokes]

2 hours ago, whoareyaaa said:

One of the blokes where I work said he is down as double jabbed on the system but not had jabs so there is a get around if you know the right people

The company I’m sub contracting too at the minute does a lot of work in hospitals and around vulnerable people. So when doing their due diligence on me obviously I was asked if I was double jabbed, which I am. No proof was ever asked for, I could have easily made it up.

[Phil Bowman]

45 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

As a *relatively* healthy 23 year old, I should be able to asses the risk of both covid and the vaccination and make that choice for myself.

As a member of society, I should be able to assess not only the risk of both covid and the vaccination for myself but also include the risks and/or benefits to my family, friends, work colleagues and the human race generally in my considerations and make that choice both for myself and for them.

 

But, you know, you do you.

[Strokes]

56 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

In ICU taking up the critical care beds needing intervention to breathe? 

It’s not true of University of Leicester hospital’s, from a source quite close to me. The balance is hugely in favour of vaccinated. 
 

I’d like to see figures that back up his claim.

[whoareyaaa]

10 minutes ago, Strokes said:

The company I’m sub contracting too at the minute does a lot of work in hospitals and around vulnerable people. So when doing their due diligence on me obviously I was asked if I was double jabbed, which I am. No proof was ever asked for, I could have easily made it up.

Yep its not that enforced unless you start travelling although if you knew a doctor giving the jab and didn't want the jab you could bypass it quite easily probably

[FoxesDeb]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471.amp#aoh=16386514409891&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/intensive-care-beds-filled-with-unvaccinated-covid-patients-9m0qbx03h

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/covid-patients-in-icu-now-almost-all-unvaccinated-says-oxford-scientist#aoh=16386514409891&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

 

[Strokes]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

Yep its not that enforced unless you start travelling although if you knew a doctor giving the jab and didn't want the jab you could bypass it quite easily probably

I’m not sure it works that easily

My wife runs a vaccination clinic and she would kill me if I even suggested it.

 

[Strokes]

2 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471.amp#aoh=16386514409891&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/intensive-care-beds-filled-with-unvaccinated-covid-patients-9m0qbx03h

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/23/covid-patients-in-icu-now-almost-all-unvaccinated-says-oxford-scientist#aoh=16386514409891&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s

 

 

That’s pretty much the information I’m receiving too.

[pleatout]

1 hour ago, GingerrrFox said:

Well that’s not true because more people are hospitalised that are vaccinated than non-vaccinated.

 Do you have a source for that?

 

Anecdotal evidence...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin

 

However

Vaccinated do get covid

Vaccinated will get Omicron

Vaccinated will die from Covid

However

The vast majority will get a milder illness than they would had they not been vaccinated

The vast majority wont end up in ICU than they would had they not been vaccinated

The vast majority wont die than they would had they not been vaccinated

 

Just for comparison

4/12/20

16,298 daily cases

15.727 in hospital

 

4/12/21

42,848 daily cases

7,363 in hospital 

 

80+% vaccinated, over twice as many cases BUT half as many in hospital.

 

That is why there is an obsession with other peoples vaccination status.  Last winter the NHS "coped" with 35,000 hospitalisations, just.  Much more than that will see pictures like we saw in Italy in the early days.

 

[kyleolly]

The mercury reported on Thursday there was just over 100 people on hospital with covid across the 3 leicester hospitals and people on a ventilator no mention on their vaccine status 

[tom27111]

I returned to work yesterday after 5 days annual leave.

 

One department of our dealership, who are customer facing, are just point blank refusing to wear masks or face shields.

 

I'm pretty disgusted with it to be perfectly honest. 

 

To think that it inconveniences you that much, that the 3 people in this department think they're above the law.

 

Totally embarrassing as we have signs everywhere saying please wear a mask to protect each other.

 

But the sales staff, including me, who spend less time face to face with customers, have no problem wearing them.

 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

Boris Johnson literally stated the other day prior to his mask wearing announcement that double vaccinated people can still carry this new varient and pass it on, so back to square one. 

For F sake how many timnes do you telling before you understand,  Vaccines are not 100% effective and it has never been claimed that they are.  However they do reduce the risk of passing it on and they reduce the severity of desease. 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, GingerrrFox said:

Well that’s not true because more people are hospitalised that are vaccinated than non-vaccinated.

Its also the case that more people die in traffic accidents wearing a seat belt than those that don't,  or are you on a wind up.

[Guest Harrydc]

Don't shoot the messanger guys, I'm just passing on the message from our amazing prime minister 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

As a *relatively* healthy 23 year old, I should be able to asses the risk of both covid and the vaccination and make that choice for myself. 

Again you are not listening,  this is not only about your risk but everyone's risk if you choose to not be vaccinated and are allowed to socialise just like the rest of us then your non vaccination status is also effecting our chooses.

[GingerrrFox]

2 minutes ago, Robo61 said:

Again you are not listening,  this is not only about your risk but everyone's risk if you choose to not be vaccinated and are allowed to socialise just like the rest of us then your non vaccination status is also effecting our chooses.

How? Vaccinated people can be infected with COVID and Vaccinated people also have the same viral load for Delta and Omicron as unvaccinated people. Why is it international travel is pretty much exclusively for vaccinated people and yet Omicron has still found it’s way here?