Coronavirus Thread

[grobyfox1990]

 

26 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Firstly I'd like to thank you for starting with "Hahahahah", always found that to be the foundation of a well thought out rebuttal.

 

Secondly, I have read your posts.  "Everyone is at equal threat in a war" is a rather odd statement as it implies this isn't the case for COVID?  There isn't some binary outcome to COVID on an individual that is death or everything is fine.  Aside from the physical problems, that don't result in death, there has been the spectre of economical losses, phycological damage through restrictions or the loss of someone to this.  Two of my employees and a grandparent of mine died in this pandemic from COVID and I can assure you the impact goes significantly beyond "them taking responsibility for themselves".  With respect to the latter, I will share that being in a care home, he was isolating but the government kindly discharged hospital patients into his home without bothering to test them.

 

Your example of 25 year olds partying and it having no consequence to the vulnerable suggests, as Phil responded by saying, that you're viewing this from the perspective of you remaining fit and well and not considering/caring everyone else who should "just lock themselves away".  As you say "If a problem affects you, take action".  I counter by saying that this problem does affect you directly and indirectly as outlined above so as, you suggest, might want to take action.  Combined how I've interpreted your arguments (which I might have misinterpreted so please correct me) with your rant about "Wester selfishness and arrogance" does appear, again as you said, "wildly contradictory". 

Again, you may have read my posts but you have made your own assumptions, which means you have not understood them at all. Why have you assumed i have taken no action? Why are you assuming i am not considering/caring about everyone else? Why have you misquoted me? Why are you assuming my intention was to make a 'well-thought out rebuttal' to a post i made on a football forum talking about a respiratory disease, to which you have clearly not understood in the first place?

 

Your anecdotes sound terrible and i clearly have sympathy for you and those affected, but that is all they are, anecdotes. If you think they make a trend, that is unbelivably misguided. To counter your anecdotes with my own, two of my clients and hundreds of others across the industry got £1m+ bonuses this year because of wildly volatile financial markets affected by covid, and now drive ferrari 480s and spent $50k on champagne in Vegas. Higher earners are creaming it from Covid, they have no expense and the same salary, and little to no health risks from covid. If we were in a war, they'd have the same chance of being blown up as everyone else. So no, it is not the case for covid, we are not all the same, it is odd that you think we are. This situation has only highlighted how much of a two-tier society we live in. Do my highly specific anecdotes now convince you? Yeh, thought not...

 

Finally, get out of your box and think about what im saying, or atleast read my post again. I am viewing it from a purely logial perspective. If 25 year olds where to go wild at a covid party and spread it amongst themselves, it would make no difference to their lives. I AM NOT SAYING THIS SHOULD HAPPEN. If there's anything you want clarifying about the action ive taken r.e covid, just ask, dont assume or misquote

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Farrington fox said:

Yes 

May I ask why?

[FoxesDeb]

Just now, Scotch said:

Ok...Sorry, I'm not getting the point you're making. 

It looks like he's saying your point regarding lockdown buying us time to develop the vaccine, and therefore reduce the burden on the NHS, is correct, but I'm not sure that was the intention 

[Farrington fox]

Just now, leicsmac said:

May I ask why?

Laura Kuensberg said so, in a roundabout sort of way.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

 

Again, you may have read my posts but you have made your own assumptions, which means you have not understood them at all. Why have you assumed i have taken no action? Why are you assuming i am not considering/caring about everyone else? Why have you misquoted me? Why are you assuming my intention was to make a 'well-thought out rebuttal' to a post i made on a football forum talking about a respiratory disease, to which you have clearly not understood in the first place?

 

Your anecdotes sound terrible and i clearly have sympathy for you and those affected, but that is all they are, anecdotes. If you think they make a trend, that is unbelivably misguided. To counter your anecdotes with my own, two of my clients and hundreds of others across the industry got £1m+ bonuses this year because of wildly volatile financial markets affected by covid, and now drive ferrari 480s and spent $50k on champagne in Vegas. Higher earners are creaming it from Covid, they have no expense and the same salary, and little to no health risks from covid. If we were in a war, they'd have the same chance of being blown up as everyone else. So no, it is not the case for covid, we are not all the same, it is odd that you think we are. This situation has only highlighted how much of a two-tier society we live in. Do my highly specific anecdotes now convince you? Yeh, thought not...

 

Finally, get out of your box and think about what im saying, or atleast read my post again. I am viewing it from a purely logial perspective. If 25 year olds where to go wild at a covid party and spread it amongst themselves, it would make no difference to their lives. I AM NOT SAYING THIS SHOULD HAPPEN. If there's anything you want clarifying about the action ive taken r.e covid, just ask, dont assume or misquote

If I may...

 

A virus doesn't discriminate against people based on riches, particularly if it mutates. The only thing this shows is that those rich people don't take it seriously. Perhaps something might soon happen to them that might disabuse them of that notion. Or not.

 

Secondly, when it comes to war, it is most often poor people who die. The rich are able to make their own arrangements.

 

Of course, a virus doesn't negotiate, or accept surrender, or armistices.

 

1 minute ago, Farrington fox said:

Laura Kuensberg said so, in a roundabout sort of way.

Then Ms Kuensberg was being hyperbolic for her own benefit or being misinterpreted for your own.

 

There is no reason to extend restrictions beyond the lethal (that is to say, putting unacceptable strain on healthcare) lifetime of this virus, and I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise when there are far, far easier boogeymen to use for a seizure of more power.

[Farrington fox]

3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

It looks like he's saying your point regarding lockdown buying us time to develop the vaccine, and therefore reduce the burden on the NHS, is correct, but I'm not sure that was the intention 

Not really. Just trying to make the point that we're in a position where further lockdowns are neither needed or wanted. "I think anyway, Ive got a headache and my brain is frazzled, I'm off to lye down in a darkened room and think about how good life was back in 2018.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Not really. Just trying to make the point that we're in a position where further lockdowns are neither needed or wanted. "I think anyway, Ive got a headache and my brain is frazzled, I'm off to lye down in a darkened room and think about how good life was back in 2018.

Don't worry - we'll get there again.

 

Provided we actually do something meaningful regarding climate change of course, or that will make people wish for days like the present ones like you wish for 2018 right now.

[Guest Harrydc]

Can't wait for plan B to come in. At least it'll mean no more hangovers for dirty unvaccinated people such as myself. 

[String fellow]

49 minutes ago, Lionator said:

No.

 

If it did then the mild symptoms will simply be because you're vaccinated or have previously had covid, therefore your immune system doesn't go into overdrive (and kill you).

It seems that some experts in South Africa think along the same lines as me. Having said that, I'm not an expert.

https://www.cityam.com/from-covid-curse-to-blessing-coronavirus-experts-relief-grows-as-extremely-mild-omicron-variant-rapidly-exterminates-much-more-deadly-delta-mutation/

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

"Why should I have to join the army to go and liberate France? Hitler wants to do a deal with us, let's take it and let France worry about themselves."

not sure the quality of your response will be appreciated ......  have you thought about using pictures ???

 

12 minutes ago, Farrington fox said:

Not really. Just trying to make the point that we're in a position where further lockdowns are neither needed or wanted. "I think anyway, Ive got a headache and my brain is frazzled, I'm off to lye down in a darkened room and think about how good life was back in 2018.

you mean when we could defend set pieces .......hang on .......btw, what was wrong with 2019 ?

Edited 8 December 2021 by st albans fox

[grobyfox1990]

13 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

If I may...

 

A virus doesn't discriminate against people based on riches, particularly if it mutates. The only thing this shows is that those rich people don't take it seriously. Perhaps something might soon happen to them that might disabuse them of that notion. Or not.

 

Secondly, when it comes to war, it is most often poor people who die. The rich are able to make their own arrangements.

 

Of course, a virus doesn't negotiate, or accept surrender, or armistices.

 

Then Ms Kuensberg was being hyperbolic for her own benefit or being misinterpreted for your own.

 

There is no reason to extend restrictions beyond the lethal (that is to say, putting unacceptable strain on healthcare) lifetime of this virus, and I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise when there are far, far easier boogeymen to use for a seizure of more power.

Fair point. If we were in a war, the rich would all go off to Bahamas or the like and live safely whilst the poor got bombed to death on the streets. Much like the rich retreated to their second homes in the countryside during lockdown Can't argue with that.

[leicsmac]

Just now, grobyfox1990 said:

Fair point. If we were in a war, the rich would all go off to Bahamas or the like and live safely whilst the poor got bombed to death on the streets. Much like the rich retreated to their second homes in the countryside during lockdown Can't argue with that.

Yeah.

 

People think they're planning to do the same regarding climate change too, I've read enough about it. Of course, doing so would be a fools errand (same as any other related natural disaster) because at its worst, there will be no place to hide any vestige of civilisation from the effects of that, and you'd think those rich folks would be savvy enough to know that.

 

Civilisation is complex, but mostly it depends on people, even now.

[kyleolly]

21 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Can't wait for plan B to come in. At least it'll mean no more hangovers for dirty unvaccinated people such as myself. 

You can still go to the pub and to the supermarket to get your daily allowance

[Phil Bowman]

24 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Can't wait for plan B to come in. At least it'll mean no more hangovers for dirty unvaccinated people such as myself. 

Well there are simple solutions to your being dirty and unvaccinated, you know? Soap and vaccination will fix you up nicely.

[Ric Flair]

Covid passports may well have had a place in this game until this new strain came along, but as it stands right now what's the bastard point?

[adam]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Covid passports may well have had a place in this game until this new strain came along, but as it stands right now what's the bastard point?

Prof pagel agrees. Surely if they were so bothered about stopping the spread a negative test before you enter somewhere would work better. 

[kyleolly]

9 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Covid passports may well have had a place in this game until this new strain came along, but as it stands right now what's the bastard point?

Because Boris and his cronies have been caught out and he has to reassert his power.

[Stivo]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

I agree that the richer nations have played the vaccine card with all the self-interest one might expect, but all that means is we need to supply more and share more and get the world vaccinated, and keep them so for the time being - that's a problem of logistics, and dare I say it, capitalism.

May I just add a plug for the WHO charity.  https://gogiveone.org   
 

For less than a fiver you can fund someone somewhere else in the world for a covax vaccination.

[reynard]

2 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I suspect a lot of people will just test themselves before meeting up with others for Christmas etc.

Well let's hope so as that would be a good thing to do as long as they follow what is required if they test positive of course.

[grobyfox1990]

5 minutes ago, Stivo said:

May I just add a plug for the WHO charity.  https://gogiveone.org   
 

For less than a fiver you can fund someone somewhere else in the world for a covax vaccination.

Done. Excellent, thanks for this!

[reynard]

4 hours ago, phoneticerror said:

Booster jab booked in (I’m 36) for Saturday. Pfizer this time.

 

What’re the chances I’m going to be feeling rubbish for the Newcastle match?

Probably quite low TBH. Not a huge sample of course but I know of 30+ folk who've had that and the worst anyone suffered was a sore arm for a couple of days. 20 million boosters no idea what % of those have suffered anything at all?

 

 

[kyleolly]

2 hours ago, Super_horns said:

I suspect a lot of people will just test themselves before meeting up with others for Christmas etc.

My Aunty has already said she'll be inspecting our covid passport status before letting us in for the family Christmas Dinner 

[yorkie1999]

2 minutes ago, reynard said:

Probably quite low TBH. Not a huge sample of course but I know of 30+ folk who've had that and the worst anyone suffered was a sore arm for a couple of days. 20 million boosters no idea what % of those have suffered anything at all?

 

 

I know someone who's ended up blind in one eye and 10% vision in the other.

[reynard]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

I know someone who's ended up blind in one eye and 10% vision in the other.

Sorry to hear that. Still don't think the vast majority of people will experience any side effects.

[Christoph]

I know one person who's phone signal got so strong from the 5g off his vaccine that his head exploded.