Coronavirus Thread

[SpacedX]

2 minutes ago, Soup said:

OK so when does it end? What's the plan. If they said it will be 15 booster's would you be happy. Silly question really as you'd obviously be fine with that

 

 

Would I?

 

Again, why do you see this as polarised opinion or a problem with authority/governance? This is nature that we are all at war with...and it doesn't sit round a table to negotiate or do politics. 

 

The point of my post, was that some on this thread brazenly and ignorantly declared coronavirus as being "over months ago" simply because they wanted it to be and because it hasn't afflicted them and in their parochial and self-centred existences. Who gives a **** about the plight of the third world when you can have a pint with the lads and batter a clapper at the weekend again? It's closer to home than that...Germany is experiencing a fourth wave, because nature learns and adapts. If it demands that boosters are an ongoing requirement, then what's the problem? We need to respond. 

 

Nature has a great deal more 'in its locker' - (football cliché alert) - and as @leicsmac so accurately puts it, can consign is to a fossil record in the blink of an eye.

 

This is nothing in comparison to the inevitable prolonged and inevitable consequences of growing antibiotic resistance. Combine that with huge displacements of populations and competition for resources associated with climate chaos and you really start to realise that in the western world, many were all born into a purple patch and occupy the briefest and most stable, opulent and prosperous period in the entire history of humankind. 

[KrefelderFox666]

36 minutes ago, Soup said:

OK so when does it end? What's the plan. If they said it will be 15 booster's would you be happy. Silly question really as you'd obviously be fine with that

 

 

You do know that over 50s get a flu jab every year. I don't see too much moaning about that. If boosters are required to keep economies open and allow so called freedoms then what is the big issue?

 

And re your first question, Covid will not end. It will always be here and the more people start to refuse vaccines, the worse it will get and the longer it will remain strong enough to disrupt livelihoods.

 

If I need to get a yearly jab, then so be it. I would love it to go away but it won't unfortunately, so the next best thing is to protect our bodies to fight it. Impatience is not going to get us anywhere.

[Soup]

8 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Would I?

 

Again, why do you see this as polarised opinion or a problem with authority/governance? This is nature that we are all at war with...and it doesn't sit round a table to negotiate or do politics. 

 

The point of my post, was that some on this thread brazenly and ignorantly declared coronavirus as being "over months ago" simply because they wanted it to be and because it hasn't afflicted them and in their parochial and self-centred existences. Who gives a **** about the plight of the third world when you can have a pint with the lads and batter a clapper at the weekend again? It's closer to home than that...Germany is experiencing a fourth wave, because nature learns and adapts. If it demands that boosters are an ongoing requirement, then what's the problem? We need to respond. 

 

Nature has a great deal more 'in its locker' - (football cliché alert) - and as @leicsmac so accurately puts it, can consign is to a fossil record in the blink of an eye.

 

This is nothing in comparison to the inevitable prolonged and inevitable consequences of growing antibiotic resistance. Combine that with huge displacements of populations and competition for resources associated with climate chaos and you really start to realise that in the western world, many were all born into a purple patch and occupy the briefest and most stable, opulent and prosperous period in the entire history of humankind. 

Just asking would you that's all. But instead.you choose the usual War and Peace response. I just don't want the jab again that's all. I'm sorry if I'm not helping to save the world but hey that's my choice. Other than that I'm actually a decent person, not that means much nowadays 

 

[Soup]

4 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said:

You do know that over 50s get a flu jab every year. I don't see too much moaning about that. If boosters are required to keep economies open and allow so called freedoms then what is the big issue?

 

And re your first question, Covid will not end. It will always be here and the more people start to refuse vaccines, the worse it will get and the longer it will remain strong enough to disrupt livelihoods.

 

If I need to get a yearly jab, then so be it. I would love it to go away but it won't unfortunately, so the next best thing is to protect our bodies to fight it. Impatience is not going to get us anywhere.

Yes of course but it's not forced and if you don't have it you don't face restrictions or get ridiculed. So no it's not the same. But you carry on mate, do what you wish to do. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Didn't realise how bad it was in the EU, deaths per capita almost 50% higher than here. Even worse across the continent as a whole.

 

 

[Dunge]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Didn't realise how bad it was in the EU, deaths per capita almost 50% higher than here. Even worse across the continent as a whole.

 

 

Personally, I think we’re seeing three things here with regard to UK vs Europe:

 

1. A relatively high percentage of adults getting their first and second jabs.

2. Jabs arriving earlier, hence immunity starting to wane earlier.

3. “Opening up” earlier, therefore seeing the unvaccinated contracting the virus in late summer / early Autumn.

 

It’ll be interesting to see how this graph continues, particularly when comparing relative take-up of booster doses across different regions, and therefore how much of an impact they have compared to the first two. (Which is blindingly obvious to see.)

[Bellend Sebastian]

31 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Didn't realise how bad it was in the EU, deaths per capita almost 50% higher than here. Even worse across the continent as a whole.

 

 

Looking at individual European countries it seems to get worse the further east you go. In Western Europe the rate is generally around the same as the UK, but Greece and Poland aren't doing great and goodness knows what they're doing in Hungary. I'm guessing the Whole Europe figure is even worse as this will presumably include the cases from European Russia

[SpacedX]

57 minutes ago, Soup said:

But instead.you choose the usual War and Peace response. 

 

 Two brief paragraphs and a few sentences? Were I to type something that you agreed with you wouldn't give a toss how long it was.

 

1 hour ago, Soup said:

Other than that I'm actually a decent person, not that means much nowadays 

I've always sensed that and I genuinely don't doubt that - but try not be so emotionally charged. When several of us highlighted that the Ivermectin studies that you posted were faked (which they were) - you had a strop and left the thread pledging not to return. A shame, because I do value you as a contributing member of this forum. I also suspect that we have more in common than you think...which is probably a horrifying suggestion for you to contemplate.  

[Soup]

5 minutes ago, Line-X said:

 Two brief paragraphs and a few sentences? Were I to type something that you agreed with you wouldn't give a toss how long it was.

 

I've always sensed that and I genuinely don't doubt that - but try not be so emotionally charged. When several of us highlighted that the Ivermectin studies that you posted were faked (which they were) - you had a strop and left the thread pledging not to return. A shame, because I do value you as a contributing member of this forum. I also suspect that we have more in common than you think...which is probably a horrifying suggestion for you to contemplate.  

Not at all mate. I'll admit I'm emotionally charged, sorry guilty there. Also definitely not a horrifying suggestion at all, I actually respect and enjoy reading most of your post's. 

 

Yes I did leave in a strop didn't I. Haha oh well, it's probably best I do that again. Cuídate 😁

[SpacedX]

2 minutes ago, Soup said:

Haha oh well, it's probably best I do that again. Cuídate 😁

No, no, it really isn't. 

 

And also, no one mocks you for your reluctance to have a booster jab. Question it, yes, but I'm sure that you expect that. 

[dsr-burnley]

1 hour ago, Dunge said:

Personally, I think we’re seeing three things here with regard to UK vs Europe:

 

1. A relatively high percentage of adults getting their first and second jabs.

2. Jabs arriving earlier, hence immunity starting to wane earlier.

3. “Opening up” earlier, therefore seeing the unvaccinated contracting the virus in late summer / early Autumn.

 

It’ll be interesting to see how this graph continues, particularly when comparing relative take-up of booster doses across different regions, and therefore how much of an impact they have compared to the first two. (Which is blindingly obvious to see.)

I think we should add

4.  Relatively successful at keeping the numbers down in the earlier waves, so there are more people that have never had it before for the virus to attack.

 

And it is possible, but as yet unproven, that the UK policy of 12 weeks apart may have provided better immunity than the standard 3 weeks.  Which is just our good fortune if true, because that wasn't the reason it was given 12 weeks apart - the reason was to get the first jabs into people quicker.

[st albans fox]

26 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I think we should add

4.  Relatively successful at keeping the numbers down in the earlier waves, so there are more people that have never had it before for the virus to attack.

 

And it is possible, but as yet unproven, that the UK policy of 12 weeks apart may have provided better immunity than the standard 3 weeks.  Which is just our good fortune if true, because that wasn't the reason it was given 12 weeks apart - the reason was to get the first jabs into people quicker.

Another instance of BJ being a ‘lucky general ‘ ? 

[KrefelderFox666]

2 hours ago, Soup said:

Yes of course but it's not forced and if you don't have it you don't face restrictions or get ridiculed. So no it's not the same. But you carry on mate, do what you wish to do. 

Fingers crossed everything works out as you hope.

[fuchsntf]

6 hours ago, Dunge said:

Personally, I think we’re seeing three things here with regard to UK vs Europe:

 

1. A relatively high percentage of adults getting their first and second jabs.

2. Jabs arriving earlier, hence immunity starting to wane earlier.

3. “Opening up” earlier, therefore seeing the unvaccinated contracting the virus in late summer / early Autumn.

 

It’ll be interesting to see how this graph continues, particularly when comparing relative take-up of booster doses across different regions, and therefore how much of an impact they have compared to the first two. (Which is blindingly obvious to see.)

Its Not UK vs Europe....ffs.!!

Europe has many Lands, where each Land's Populace have chosen different Attitudes towards Covid, vaccinations,Lockdown-regulations..

 

 

[Dunge]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

Its Not UK vs Europe....ffs.!!

Europe has many Lands, where each Land's Populace have chosen different Attitudes towards Covid, vaccinations,Lockdown-regulations..

 

 

I don’t mean vs meaning “in competition”. I mean vs meaning “in comparison relating to the graph”.

[Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot]

What happens if you go 4 months between your first and second doses? Does that still count as being double jabbed? My mate is scared he'll have to get 2 more after his first was so long ago and doesn't want 2 more. I don't want a booster as well either, sod that, I always had it in my head I was 2 and out. 

[fuchsntf]

2 hours ago, Dunge said:

I don’t mean vs meaning “in competition”. I mean vs meaning “in comparison relating to the graph”.

I understoodd that...but UK compared to Europe,even to USA,(Rural counties)

with all Health/education/disinformation diversities & mindsets spread over 748 million & 330 Million respectively is just not on...

Eastern Europe quite Way down...

Graph Dont Show social-mindsets/Trust in the System or diverse on going issues .

[fuchsntf]

9 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Looking at individual European countries it seems to get worse the further east you go. In Western Europe the rate is generally around the same as the UK, but Greece and Poland aren't doing great and goodness knows what they're doing in Hungary. I'm guessing the Whole Europe figure is even worse as this will presumably include the cases from European Russia

Though Western Europeans have Strops over their Governments & enviroments...

Eastern Europeans still Ride an Historical mistrust/ with disinformation on theirs .with Lack of Education in Rural areas..

Mind you some UK City dwellers, are not necessarily beyond Bill n Ben potting education/wisdom..

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, Soup said:

OK so when does it end? What's the plan. If they said it will be 15 booster's would you be happy. Silly question really as you'd obviously be fine with that

 

 

Turn this around..Why wouldnt you be...??

@Line-X has put the Real Problem on the table of many dissenters.

 Who Argue their points from a social/Government/ disinformation angle instead of focussing on the Real Natural Biological enemy...

 

He might be somewhat disorientated on FT Football issues..., ..But hes Coming up Trumps on this topic....

[fuchsntf]

11 hours ago, Line-X said:

Would I?

 

Again, why do you see this as polarised opinion or a problem with authority/governance? This is nature that we are all at war with...and it doesn't sit round a table to negotiate or do politics. 

 

The point of my post, was that some on this thread brazenly and ignorantly declared coronavirus as being "over months ago" simply because they wanted it to be and because it hasn't afflicted them and in their parochial and self-centred existences. Who gives a **** about the plight of the third world when you can have a pint with the lads and batter a clapper at the weekend again? It's closer to home than that...Germany is experiencing a fourth wave, because nature learns and adapts. If it demands that boosters are an ongoing requirement, then what's the problem? We need to respond. 

 

Nature has a great deal more 'in its locker' - (football cliché alert) - and as @leicsmac so accurately puts it, can consign is to a fossil record in the blink of an eye.

 

This is nothing in comparison to the inevitable prolonged and inevitable consequences of growing antibiotic resistance. Combine that with huge displacements of populations and competition for resources associated with climate chaos and you really start to realise that in the western world, many were all born into a purple patch and occupy the briefest and most stable, opulent and prosperous period in the entire history of humankind. 

Don t you Think the UK are in a 4th wave or Destined to be Shortly deep in one..??

 

Several UK nurses and med-staff I know, Think its already Kicked off , albeit somewhat quieter as expected,

But the outside UK-World/politicians are turning a somewhat blind-eye..

 

Here in Germany ( I am Regularly in hospital) Merkel /RKI has tried to warn the People & Not held back, ( her last duties) that the 4th Really started a while back

& is picking up pace & Hospital-Admins /public should be Aware of it, because some ICUs in some areas are already Close to Tipping point..

Though Weihnachtsmarkts/Events  are going ahead, local-govts(federal-states) have warned of Stronger/stricter regulations & Possibilities of cancellation..

 

Personally I Think Europe/UKwill take a bigger hit this Winter & there is a somewhat..hope & pray attitude

to allow  society to  Ride the uncertain wave before lockdowns...

Normally I am a positive guy..but though medical, & Health Front-liners & virologists are Learning all the time,I believe Covid-pandemic has a while to swathe

still a negative path and has more to say through our lives....

 

Bright ol' Soul ,aint I...

[Guest Col city fan]

14 hours ago, Line-X said:

Would I?

 

Again, why do you see this as polarised opinion or a problem with authority/governance? This is nature that we are all at war with...and it doesn't sit round a table to negotiate or do politics. 

 

The point of my post, was that some on this thread brazenly and ignorantly declared coronavirus as being "over months ago" simply because they wanted it to be and because it hasn't afflicted them and in their parochial and self-centred existences. Who gives a **** about the plight of the third world when you can have a pint with the lads and batter a clapper at the weekend again? It's closer to home than that...Germany is experiencing a fourth wave, because nature learns and adapts. If it demands that boosters are an ongoing requirement, then what's the problem? We need to respond. 

 

Nature has a great deal more 'in its locker' - (football cliché alert) - and as @leicsmac so accurately puts it, can consign is to a fossil record in the blink of an eye.

 

This is nothing in comparison to the inevitable prolonged and inevitable consequences of growing antibiotic resistance. Combine that with huge displacements of populations and competition for resources associated with climate chaos and you really start to realise that in the western world, many were all born into a purple patch and occupy the briefest and most stable, opulent and prosperous period in the entire history of humankind. 

[Raj]

Day 3 and now my smell has gone.

I'm a vegetarian  but my daughter and wife eat fish wish I can smell from a mile away and I hate the pong of it.

 

They cooked salmon yday and I basically had my face in the foil and couldnt smell a thing.

Very unnerving.

[Spudulike]

State of emergency in Germany says the Health Minister. 

 

Lockdown in Austria for all (not just unvaccinated) from Monday. Mandatory vaccines by Feb. 

 

UK next? Hope that everyone has made the right choice. It's coming our way. 

 

 

BBC News - Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343650

 

[CosbehFox]

7 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

State of emergency in Germany says the Health Minister. 

 

Lockdown in Austria for all (not just unvaccinated) from Monday. Mandatory vaccines by Feb. 

 

UK next? Hope that everyone has made the right choice. It's coming our way. 

 

 

BBC News - Austria to go into full lockdown as Covid surges
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59343650

 

I wouldn’t say it’s coming our way. We’ve been in the situation those countries are in and living it for months now. The delta is becoming dominant across Europe now. Part of me wonders if what they are facing is the inevitable ; particularly if you have a vaccination rate around 60%

Edited 19 November 2021 by Cardiff_Fox

[st albans fox]

21 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I wouldn’t say it’s coming our way. We’ve been in the situation those countries are in and living it for months now. The delta is becoming dominant across Europe now. Part of me wonders if what they are facing is the inevitable ; particularly if you have a vaccination rate around 60%

I think the decision that our govt made in the summer to let the virus infect as many as possible before late autumn/winter set in has proven to be a wise one (of course they’ll never admit that) 

 

probably  the second best call since the accelerated vaccination program ….. the bar is v low after that!