Spend for Britain!

[davieG]

1 minute ago, Captain... said:

It is a bit of a false economy buying cheap tat, good quality items generally last much longer and are worth the extra. 

 

The problem with primark is it encourages people to buy lots of cheap stuff so they have lots of clothes that they will only wear a couple of times. Primark is just a symptom of the culture we have created, but that is what we need to get the economy moving.

Expensive stuff is no guaranty of longer lasting quality certainly from my experience and is often made from similar sources but just marked up higher. 

 

There's people who will brag about how much they paid for something just as there are people who brag how cheap it was. 

[Finnaldo]

4 minutes ago, davieG said:

Expensive stuff is no guaranty of longer lasting quality certainly from my experience and is often made from similar sources but just marked up higher. 

 

There's people who will brag about how much they paid for something just as there are people who brag how cheap it was. 

To be fair he didn’t say expensive items are automatically better, he said good quality items tend to cost more but are worth the extra.

[davieG]

6 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:

To be fair he didn’t say expensive items are automatically better, he said good quality items tend to cost more but are worth the extra.

Fair point but they are still often made from similar sources and cost. It's easy to hide the guise of quality behind a higher price and designer name.

[Innovindil]

23 minutes ago, Izzy said:

Hopefully buying a car this week that I can’t afford and with money I haven’t got.

 

Doing my bit to kick start the economy 

This is the level of British shithousery we need to make this country great (again?).  

[Alf Bentley]

14 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Tbf Primark is there and successful for a good reason. It’s cheap. Some of those in queues that is what they can afford.
 

I’m not seeing the same outrage about queues outside Marks & Spencers or Bicester Village. 

 

I wonder if it's that simple....

(Caveat: It's years since I've been to Primark and I only went there for gear for my daughter when she was younger).

 

The only place I've bought first-hand clothing recently is M&S (quality second-hand stuff at cheap prices in Oxfam & British Heart Foundation ).

Out of curiosity, I just checked prices at Primark and Sports Direct:

- Men's trousers/jeans about same price at M&S and Primark (£15-£20), ignoring more expensive/branded items

- T-shirts and polos about same price at M&S and Sports Direct (£5 for T-shirt, £15 for polo)

 

Might be a different story for women's clothing. I know Primark stocks a lot of cheaper, fashion items (skirts, tops, accessories, whatever) that might not be available cheap elsewhere.

 

But there were an awful lot of young men, middle-aged men and families queuing outside Sports Direct yesterday - and not "sporty" looking people: people going for "a look" unavailable at M&S or elsewhere, not just low(ish) prices?

 

Have there been big queues outside M&S? There was no queue at all outside M&S Leicester yesterday - and a humungous queue outside Sports Direct.

To be honest, I'd never even heard of Bicester Village until it was mentioned on here - shows how out of touch I am, but I was never into fashion or quality clobber.  

[Finnaldo]

19 minutes ago, davieG said:

Fair point but they are still often made from similar sources and cost. It's easy to hide the guise of quality behind a higher price and designer name.

True, I used to work below a company that was basically a go-between for Indian clothing manufacturers and British retailers. The same manufacturers were courting Next, River Island, BooHoo etc. 

That said, I tend to buy a few pairs of jeans every couple years from Next, they tend to last pretty well and they’re not exactly high fashion but they aren’t Primani cheap either. Seems to strike a good balance between a decent price and longevity. My main vice are trainers/shoes and jackets/coats to be honest. 
 

That said, I’ve always liked the idea of getting a tailored suit. My job (in normal circumstances) requires a client-facing element and it’s something that I’ve said that once I’m into decent shape I’ll look into. 

[davieG]

1 minute ago, Finnaldo said:

True, I used to work below a company that was basically a go-between for Indian clothing manufacturers and British retailers. The same manufacturers were courting Next, River Island, BooHoo etc. 

That said, I tend to buy a few pairs of jeans every couple years from Next, they tend to last pretty well and they’re not exactly high fashion but they aren’t Primani cheap either. Seems to strike a good balance between a decent price and longevity. My main vice are trainers/shoes and jackets/coats to be honest. 
 

That said, I’ve always liked the idea of getting a tailored suit. My job (in normal circumstances) requires a client-facing element and it’s something that I’ve said that once I’m into decent shape I’ll look into. 

I'm a mix and match buyer depending on what I'm looking for. Clothing is a difficult buy anyway as fashions change so there's a reason for not spending to much on a fashionable item. I wish I'd kept some of my old stuff as so much of it as resurfaced as the current trend 

 

In the 60's there were loads of men's suit shops selling made to measure it was a rare thing to buy off the shelf ready made stuff. I rarely wear a suit these days weddings and funerals.

 

Reminds me of - Which side does Sir dress? / Which side do you hang Sir? very important with tight fitting trousers 

[Finnaldo]

19 minutes ago, davieG said:

I'm a mix and match buyer depending on what I'm looking for. Clothing is a difficult buy anyway as fashions change so there's a reason for not spending to much on a fashionable item. I wish I'd kept some of my old stuff as so much of it as resurfaced as the current trend 

 

In the 60's there were loads of men's suit shops selling made to measure it was a rare thing to buy off the shelf ready made stuff. I rarely wear a suit these days weddings and funerals.

 

Reminds me of - Which side does Sir dress? / Which side do you hang Sir? very important with tight fitting trousers 

 

 

Suits you, sir! 
 

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Izzy said:

Hopefully buying a car this week that I can’t afford and with money I haven’t got.

 

Doing my bit to kick start the economy 

Make sure it’s a Nissan to really do your bit 

[Nick]

3 hours ago, Ollie93 said:

Why do you think that? If pubs etc re-open, I think there could be a massive spike.

I think we are going to see massive unemployment with businesses going down. Then Brexit looms which won't help and the money the gov has lent out through rescue schemes will need to be paid back. First time buyers won't get on the housing ladder without 25 percent deposit and the markets will err probably go down a shitload as the pandemic impacts trade globally. Pubs will reopen but many in a different ways and without the footfall - then, we've got the R rating increase, second spike and winter to come.

 

Apart from that it'll all be fine.

 

I do kids parties as well before anybody asks...

[Innovindil]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I think we are going to see massive unemployment with businesses going down. Then Brexit looms which won't help and the money the gov has lent out through rescue schemes will need to be paid back. First time buyers won't get on the housing ladder without 25 percent deposit and the markets will err probably go down a shitload as the pandemic impacts trade globally. Pubs will reopen but many in a different ways and without the footfall - then, we've got the R rating increase, second spike and winter to come.

 

Apart from that it'll all be fine.

 

I do kids parties as well before anybody asks...

But I've heard 2021 is gonna be a banger. 

[lildave3]

2 hours ago, Captain... said:

It is a bit of a false economy buying cheap tat, good quality items generally last much longer and are worth the extra. 

 

The problem with primark is it encourages people to buy lots of cheap stuff so they have lots of clothes that they will only wear a couple of times. Primark is just a symptom of the culture we have created, but that is what we need to get the economy moving.

Cheap tat that you only wear a couple of times 😂

[yorkie1999]

Yeah, let's all buy junk from primark and get the chinese economy going again.

[Footballwipe]

2 minutes ago, lildave3 said:

Cheap tat that you only wear a couple of times 😂

It's like an entry on the bingo card for stereotypical snobbery at cheaper clothing outlets.

 

Because expensive items are notoriously worn again and again and again, and never gather dust after being worn more than a mere couple of times.

 

Amazing that people can fill their wardrobe with expensive clobber but never wear it, but when it's cheap stuff no no no no no. Outrageous.

[fuchsntf]

10 hours ago, davieG said:

Expensive stuff is no guaranty of longer lasting quality certainly from my experience and is often made from similar sources but just marked up higher. 

 

There's people who will brag about how much they paid for something just as there are people who brag how cheap it was. 

Upto  & through the 70s, Leicester Lads and lasses could tell the cut und Quality of a Good cloth..Buying a bargain didnt mean poor quality material..

Then it went all awry...I can give 100s of reasons...The biggest,that suddenly following mode from the streets,instead of more picking up on what was being worn changed..Plus The Big names Boutique houses, bought& brought  in Cheaper Asian/portugual goods and marked them up well high over their worth.

 

Sweat-shops were deliberate in Trend W.Wide,und Asian immigrants,taking over Local Clothes Business Business brought that mentality over.The Govt.Control was pathetic.

After large traditional Clothes factories,started to die,then even small Local Business were hit including the 1st - 2nd generation Good Quality

Asian businesses. UK Coulnd't compete with downright lying Sales marketing...Selling cheaply pathetically sewn put together Clothes as high Quality high costing goods...Even introduced clothes into their Business connected franchises,to dump any surplus at super bargain prices.....

 

That is still the case today,its just some sweat-shops have cleaned up their Business und Building facade...

Plus what do you do,when recent modern generation of shoppers accept absolute rubbish,and Working Denim Jeans Styles without brushing , Selling then aas the best of Fashion ,especially when torn...

 

The class Dressing of the Leicester Girl on weekends has gone,then UK men thinking its cool,like the USA dozos  to Wear Baseball Caps while courting their Girl in a restaurant,through the whole meal....How disrepectfull  to Your partner....!!!!

 

 

 

Edited 16 June 2020 by fuchsntf

[Strokes]

57 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

I think we are going to see massive unemployment with businesses going down. Then Brexit looms which won't help and the money the gov has lent out through rescue schemes will need to be paid back. First time buyers won't get on the housing ladder without 25 percent deposit and the markets will err probably go down a shitload as the pandemic impacts trade globally. Pubs will reopen but many in a different ways and without the footfall - then, we've got the R rating increase, second spike and winter to come.

 

Apart from that it'll all be fine.

 

I do kids parties as well before anybody asks...

You ok hun?

 

I do understand what you’re saying and it’s not beyond the realms of possibility at all that it could turn out this bleak. However I do think the positive’s from this conservative government being more economically left than its predecessors, is that I think they will stimulate it in way Cameron, Osborne or May would not.

What the long term consequences of that will be, who knows but I think it will paper over the cracks for now.

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Footballwipe said:

It's like an entry on the bingo card for stereotypical snobbery at cheaper clothing outlets.

 

Because expensive items are notoriously worn again and again and again, and never gather dust after being worn more than a mere couple of times.

 

Amazing that people can fill their wardrobe with expensive clobber but never wear it, but when it's cheap stuff no no no no no. Outrageous.

Not snobbery I have plenty of stuff from primark. I don't judge anyone for going to primark, just those that will queue for hours to get in (and that's pretty much true of any clothing shop).

 

Primark isn't the problem it's a symptom of excessive consumer culture, which is the problem. 

[CosbehFox]

4 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Yeah, let's all buy junk from primark and get the chinese economy going again.

Does the VAT go to China ? 
 

6 hours ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

I wonder if it's that simple....

(Caveat: It's years since I've been to Primark and I only went there for gear for my daughter when she was younger).

 

The only place I've bought first-hand clothing recently is M&S (quality second-hand stuff at cheap prices in Oxfam & British Heart Foundation ).

Out of curiosity, I just checked prices at Primark and Sports Direct:

- Men's trousers/jeans about same price at M&S and Primark (£15-£20), ignoring more expensive/branded items

- T-shirts and polos about same price at M&S and Sports Direct (£5 for T-shirt, £15 for polo)

 

Might be a different story for women's clothing. I know Primark stocks a lot of cheaper, fashion items (skirts, tops, accessories, whatever) that might not be available cheap elsewhere.

 

But there were an awful lot of young men, middle-aged men and families queuing outside Sports Direct yesterday - and not "sporty" looking people: people going for "a look" unavailable at M&S or elsewhere, not just low(ish) prices?

 

Have there been big queues outside M&S? There was no queue at all outside M&S Leicester yesterday - and a humungous queue outside Sports Direct.

To be honest, I'd never even heard of Bicester Village until it was mentioned on here - shows how out of touch I am, but I was never into fashion or quality clobber.  

I believe families with children who are constantly growing is one of Primark’s main set of customers. Fairly sure as well there are multi item deals which make savings too. Primark have numerous license deals with the likes of Disney which makes them more attractive items to children. 
 

There was a large queue outside the M&S around the corner from my house. 

[Guest worth_the_wait]

I was going to order myself a book off Amazon.   But the good lady suggested we order it from the local bookshop instead.  

It may cost a bit more, but at least that will support a high street shop, as opposed to some faceless tax-dodging multi-national.

My new (late) 2020 vow is now to spend in the local shops wherever possible.

And I feel a bit better for it too! 

[yorkie1999]

5 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

I think we are going to see massive unemployment with businesses going down. Then Brexit looms which won't help and the money the gov has lent out through rescue schemes will need to be paid back. First time buyers won't get on the housing ladder without 25 percent deposit and the markets will err probably go down a shitload as the pandemic impacts trade globally. Pubs will reopen but many in a different ways and without the footfall - then, we've got the R rating increase, second spike and winter to come.

 

Apart from that it'll all be fine.

 

I do kids parties as well before anybody asks...

That’s easy to sort, bring down the retirement age to 55. That’s 13 years worth of jobs created for the younger generation.

[Nick]

Just now, yorkie1999 said:

That’s easy to sort, bring down the retirement age to 55. That’s 13 years worth of jobs created for the younger generation.

Like your thinking but how do we fund looking after all those over 55’s for the next 40 years?!!!

 

🙂

[Innovindil]

3 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said:

Like your thinking but how do we fund looking after all those over 55’s for the next 40 years?!!!

 

🙂

 

[Nick]

5 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

 

Wtf is that?

[Innovindil]

1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said:

Wtf is that?

Are you serious?

 

Thought it was required viewing. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(film)

[Nick]

Just now, Innovindil said:

Are you serious?

 

Thought it was required viewing. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(film)

I wasn’t born!