FA Cup

[HEGGSY]

8 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Why do people hate the idea of us winning stuff. Mental.

It’s almost as if it’s completely absurd that we could think about...I dunno...doing both? I’m not saying it’s going to be easy but why can’t some accept that it’s totally possible to secure CL footy and win the cup. The players have had a 3 months break for **** sake, they should be raring to go.

[AKCJ]

I choose both to be honest.

[Aus Fox]

11 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

It’s not even a debate . Fa cup win means not alot anymore.

If the question is by the end of this season you get options:

1 - 3rd No Fa Cup. CL football

2. - 5th Fa Cup win. No CL football.

 

As Roy Keane says, I’d be ‘flabbergasted’ if any fan would hand on heart take option 2 in reality.

 

Look at Wigan, Look at Portsmouth. FA Cup doesn’t mean much unfortunately. We could win it, our best players take the winners medals and leave and In a year or 2 we could easily be without Chillwell, Youri, Ndidi, Ricardo, Soyuncu and Maddison. With Kasper, Evans and JV soon to be finished too we could easily slip down to the Championship! That’s not even starting on the management team and Rodgers!

With CL football, we could keep a majority of the squad and crucially, find it easier attracting better players and a better future for us.

 

With CL football our future (5 years or so at least ) would be likely in the top flight, financially well would be stronger in these tough times and so on and so on. We would be in a better place for long term success(and more Fa cups down the line when we’re further into the project and more established)..Don’t think fans realise how crucial these 8 games are, to not only this season but the next decade potentially!

to trade all that for an FA cup is Either pure nostalgia or borderline mental.

 

It is not even a debate! We need CL football. This is huge for our club!!

You’re right, this could all end any season for us, we are Leicester City. We know our traditional standing in the game and we know we can head back there at any point, one bad manager appointment, a change in owner, the mass sale of players.

So this is exactly why we need to win everything we can right now.

The Champions League doesn’t mean we will be will be certain of being in the top 6 forever.

Newcastle, Blackburn, Everton, Leeds, Spurs have all qualified for the Champions League since the PL began, what have they won between them since they qualified? Together they have won less than us before we qualified!

[HighPeakFox]

Of course I'd love to see Citeh wine the FA Cup.

 

Would I also love to get to see them play in Europe again, at one of the great stadiums, in one of the great cities? Of course I would.

 

I'm not really sure the 2 are mutually exclusive - why do we have to sign some sort of Faustian pact over this sort of thing?

[Footballwipe]

The continual brainwashing of fans to believe that top four, the riches of the Champions League and a couple of games against European teams is more valuable than an actual trophy.

 

Once again people are forcing others to make a choice when you don't need to. One does not discount the other. If you truly wanted to see us be ambitious you'd want us to win every trophy we enter. To feel like you need to sacrifice the FA Cup just to finish third not only shits on this club's history in the competition (It did exist before 1992 and 2010, you know?) but it also disrespects the efforts of the players who have played in rounds 3,4 & 5 so far.

 

Extremely hopeful anyone choosing to sacrifice Sunday's game didn't attend any of these earlier rounds; especially the Brentford game where many real fans who actually want us to succeed weren't able to attend.

Edited 22 June 2020 by Footballwipe

[sylofox]

As far as CL goes we are second atm. Man c will at most get the ban halved. So atm man u and wolves need 9 points more than us sheff u need 11.

 

We have some breathing space.

[deanolegend1989]

4 hours ago, Filbert_Ross said:

 

Could say to that , look at Leeds look at Blackburn. Playing in the Champions League doesn't mean much. 

 

Leeds took risks financially as we have much more astute owners. Blackburn also got idiot owners who have no idea what to do. We are lucky to have such great owners but CL football keeps the project ticking along. Do you really think we will keep all our players not being in the CL? Its hard enough preventing them going to top clubs as it is!

 

3 hours ago, Bert said:

I’m flabbergasted you’d rather finish third than win a trophy. 

Really? Well give me your reasons why youd rather win the fa cup and not get into the CL? do you think that will benefit our club better? Do you think our squad will be stronger next year? Will we be able to attract more higher quality of signings?

 

3 hours ago, Devonfox1884 said:

I was thinking about this yesterday - surely we’d have a much greater chance of winning the EL than the CL too. If you look at the teams left in it this season, the ‘tough’ ones would be united, Inter, Sevilla, Leverkusen and Roma probably. I think if we played at our best we could beat any of them, which I’m not sure we could against Real, Juve, Bayern etc.

 

Clearly we want to play on the biggest stage, and that’s CL. But if for whatever reason this season doesn’t end well and we end up in the EL, while disappointing, there would be a silver lining there I think.

 

So given the two options given above I’d almost certainly take an FA cup win and 5th - I really want to see us win that trophy. But this isn’t an either or scenario, we can win it and finish in the top 4, and that should be our aim!  

You do realise to qualify for the CL means if we do fail to not get through the group we could enter the EL anyway so its win win. Either we get to the last 16 or we get a shot in the EL at a deeper stage than if we just qualify by getting 5th.

 

 

 

 

It basically is a no brainer. Lets just hope we get top 4..itll be a disaster if we drop it from here IMO.

[CosbehFox]

I said this earlier into the season. All well and good citing the benefits of European football etc. 

 

However, it's not solely that alone which makes you an attractive club. You only have to look at Tottenham; regular CL qualifiers but they don't win trophies. Have they achieved signings any different to if they had won a couple of trophies but regularly qualified for only the EL? I really don't think they have. CL might tip it for a prospect from a club in the middle reaches of the big four leagues but for players at clubs better than that, they want teams with the ability to win trophies. 

 

Outside of Spain and England, it's not actually that difficult as a player to be at a club who will achieve European football. You take someone even like Musa we signed, he had played in the CL. Or even a Dani Olmo, a prospect who went from Zagreb to Leipzig but he had played CL for Zagreb.  

 

Of course as well Kante was willing to forfeit CL football for a year to achieve trophies with Chelsea. 

 

Will also say CL subject to qualification is going to be difficult for Leicester. Pot 4. Every chance two giants. Unlikely to have away support as well. 

 

I'd like to think the experience of winning a trophy and pressure games matures our players too. 

Edited 22 June 2020 by Cardiff_Fox

[sylofox]

I really dont get why people want one or the other. I'm greedy and believe we can do both. Just like I said we would stay up in 2015.

[deanolegend1989]

2 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I said this earlier into the season. All well and good citing the benefits of European football etc. 

 

However, it's not solely that alone which makes you an attractive club. You only have to look at Tottenham; regular CL qualifiers but they don't win trophies. Have they achieved signings any different to if they had won a couple of trophies but regularly qualified for only the EL? I really don't think they have. CL might tip it for a prospect from a club in the middle reaches of the big four leagues but for players at clubs better than that, they want teams with the ability to win trophies. 

 

Outside of Spain and England, it's not actually that difficult as a player to be at a club who will achieve European football. You take someone even like Musa we signed, he had played in the CL. Or even a Dani Olmo, a prospect who went from Zagreb to Leipzig but he made played CL for Zagreb.  

 

Of course as well Kante was willing to forfeit CL football for a year to achieve trophies with Chelsea. 

Tottenham havnt won a single trophy , yet have managed to keep one of the worlds best forwards and one of the worlds best coaches(until they sacked him) and now recruited one of the best coaches in the past 20 years. They wouldn't of done that being midtable over the last 5/6 years but won 1 fa cup.

Despite there past successes, ive actually heard a lot of spurs fans and pundits on sky alike, suggest this is there best era and most successful team!

 

I can guarantee we will be more likely to win the FA Cup within the next 10 years if we are in the Premier league than if we arnt.

[Aus Fox]

1 minute ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Tottenham havnt won a single trophy , yet have managed to keep one of the worlds best forwards and one of the worlds best coaches(until they sacked him) and now recruited one of the best coaches in the past 20 years. They wouldn't of done that being midtable over the last 5/6 years but won 1 fa cup.

Despite there past successes, ive actually heard a lot of spurs fans and pundits on sky alike, suggest this is there best era and most successful team!

 

I can guarantee we will be more likely to win the FA Cup within the next 10 years if we are in the Premier league than if we arnt.

But they haven’t won anything! What’s the point in keeping the worlds best striker and manager if you don’t win anything! 

[deanolegend1989]

Obviously Id want to win both..Imagine 3rd place champions league football, Fa Cup success, Vardy to join the 100 Club, Vardy to get the golden boot and Chillwell to sign a long term deal. The dream season if that did happen and our 2nd best in history.

 

The question is which is more important though? I can not see how winning the Fa cup to sacrifise the clubs history is even a question. We have a tough QF vs Chelsea, and will probably have to also beat 2 other top teams including Man City to win it..its very unlikely and a waste of energy..Brighton Tuesday is a huge game, this is so much more important..We MUST win it..Man Utd and Wolves will close us and we have a tough end to the season..if we dont have at least a 3 point gap going into the last game Vs utd, we will not make it..

[Angus Scott]

I wouldn't worry about this too much as I think there is little chance that we will beat Chelsea next Sunday. They looked much better than us at the weekend, they were vibrant, confident & positive, none of which can be applied to us. Also the break as helped them as they have nearly everyone fit now, whereas we have lost one of our best players & others seem to be injured.

 

Not to mention the fact that they beat us everytime we play them in a quarter final

[deanolegend1989]

2 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

But they haven’t won anything! What’s the point in keeping the worlds best striker and manager if you don’t win anything! 

Winning domestic trophies doesn't mean much anymore..They are meaningless.

[Aus Fox]

Just now, deanolegend1989 said:

Winning domestic trophies doesn't mean much anymore..They are meaningless.

You’re on the wind up surely now, what’s the point in football when trophies are meaningless. 
The reason we love the game and watch the football is to win things! 
You can’t have been that brainwashed by $ky tv to think trophies aren’t the most important thing in the game?? 

[deanolegend1989]

2 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

You’re on the wind up surely now, what’s the point in football when trophies are meaningless. 
The reason we love the game and watch the football is to win things! 
You can’t have been that brainwashed by $ky tv to think trophies aren’t the most important thing in the game?? 

To me they arnt meaningless, Id love to win it still. However in the big scheme of things they are pretty meaningless and don't really hold much prestige anymore. Look how Jurgen Klopp dismissed them. A top class side and 1 of the Premier leagues greatest teams, yet they don't want to cement that legacy by even bothering to try for the FA Cup?

Its just not that important anymore, the history of football, the nostalgia, I get it. However unfortunately in todays day and age its about Prem and CL.

We all want to see Leicester at the real top end of the top league, winning an FA Cup wont do that.

To me the FA cup is the cherry on the cake..But the CL is the cake. We wont have a better chance to get top 4 in a league full of giant money bag teams, we must take this chance and if that means throwing kids out vs Chelsea then so be it.

[Bert]

32 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

 

Leeds took risks financially as we have much more astute owners. Blackburn also got idiot owners who have no idea what to do. We are lucky to have such great owners but CL football keeps the project ticking along. Do you really think we will keep all our players not being in the CL? Its hard enough preventing them going to top clubs as it is!

 

Really? Well give me your reasons why youd rather win the fa cup and not get into the CL? do you think that will benefit our club better? Do you think our squad will be stronger next year? Will we be able to attract more higher quality of signings?

 

You do realise to qualify for the CL means if we do fail to not get through the group we could enter the EL anyway so its win win. Either we get to the last 16 or we get a shot in the EL at a deeper stage than if we just qualify by getting 5th.

 

 

 

 

It basically is a no brainer. Lets just hope we get top 4..itll be a disaster if we drop it from here IMO.

For a start. There’s no reason why we can’t win the cup and finish 3rd or 4th. 
 

But in years to come are you going to say “Oh remember that season we came 3rd” for us to ultimately qualify for the champions league progress a bit but in all reality stand 0 chance of winning it. 
 

Or are people going to look back and think “Oh do you remember that season when we won the FA Cup”. 
 

Football is about winning things, this is the only trophy we haven’t won in English football. I want us to win trophies. Would absolutely sacrifice champions league qualification to win the FA cup. The oldest cup competition in the world.
 

We won the league in 2016 and we’ve still not been able to pull the players an achievement like that should warrant. Kante left us for a team that weren’t playing in Europe at all the next season. 
 

It’s taken Man City a good 10/12 years to establish themselves as one of the super powers. They went a good few seasons without champions league too. 

[CosbehFox]

 

5 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Tottenham havnt won a single trophy , yet have managed to keep one of the worlds best forwards and one of the worlds best coaches(until they sacked him) and now recruited one of the best coaches in the past 20 years. They wouldn't of done that being midtable over the last 5/6 years but won 1 fa cup.

Despite there past successes, ive actually heard a lot of spurs fans and pundits on sky alike, suggest this is there best era and most successful team!

 

I can guarantee we will be more likely to win the FA Cup within the next 10 years if we are in the Premier league than if we arnt.

Has Kane or Pochettino have had the option to leave? Which says a lot for how other clubs view them pair in cold harsh reality. Kane will only be fit enough for half of a season now too. 

 

I have just had a look through the signings they have made during their CL stint - I'd say only Moura is probably a step up. 

 

I doubt qualification for CL will dictate if we are in the PL in ten years time. 

[deanolegend1989]

6 minutes ago, Bert said:

For a start. There’s no reason why we can’t win the cup and finish 3rd or 4th. 
 

But in years to come are you going to say “Oh remember that season we came 3rd” for us to ultimately qualify for the champions league progress a bit but in all reality stand 0 chance of winning it. 
 

Or are people going to look back and think “Oh do you remember that season when we won the FA Cup”. 
 

Football is about winning things, this is the only trophy we haven’t won in English football. I want us to win trophies. Would absolutely sacrifice champions league qualification to win the FA cup. The oldest cup competition in the world.
 

We won the league in 2016 and we’ve still not been able to pull the players an achievement like that should warrant. Kante left us for a team that weren’t playing in Europe at all the next season. 
 

It’s taken Man City a good 10/12 years to establish themselves as one of the super powers. They went a good few seasons without champions league too. 

Yes because we are on the start of a project. You don't just become big over night. You think Kante would of left us for Chelsea if we won the league in 1995/96 instead? Chelsea have built some history and success over past 20 years and maybe in 20 years we could be a bigger club.

Regular CL and seasons of Premier league football, increase the history and revenue of our club. We are building a bigger stand and a new training ground coming. This project will continue to push us to being a big club and future success.

To trade that all for a tinpot FA Cup!? pfffft.

Wigan will always be a tinpot club and no one will care about them despite winning the cup. Lots of teams have won the Fa Cup and some don't even exist anymore, no one cares than Wanderes have 5 fa cups. Bolton have an Fa cup? does it matter when they are near to going out of business?

Its just pure nostalgia.

In 2030 Id rather be looking back on 10 years in the Prem, some CL runs, consistent high level football and even some EL runs maybe a EL win(if Fulham could why cant we?) and even the CL stranger things have happened! why cant we win it in the future? A team with Jimi Troare, Josemi, Smicer, Finnan and Baros won it!! Europe is weak currently, The best 2 teams in world football are in the prem and it wasn't too long ago we were whispering challenging Liverpool!

That seems more appealing than looking back on 1 6/7 seasons of Championship football, remising on this era of an Fa cup but never kicking on to real success.

[deanolegend1989]

14 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

 

Has Kane or Pochettino have had the option to leave? Which says a lot for how other clubs view them pair in cold harsh reality. Kane will only be fit enough for half of a season now too. 

 

I have just had a look through the signings they have made during their CL stint - I'd say only Moura is probably a step up. 

 

I doubt qualification for CL will dictate if we are in the PL in ten years time. 

Theres a reason we have always been a yoyo club. Because we havnt pushed for success. This is also the reason that we are not viewed as a big club really, not because we havnt won an FA Cup. We need more seasons in the CL/Prem and create a legacy.

Everton havnt won a trophy in 25 years and there still viewed as a big club, because they consistently play in the Prem.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

3 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Yes because we are on the start of a project. You don't just become big over night. You think Kante would of left us for Chelsea if we won the league in 1995/96 instead? Chelsea have built some history and success over past 20 years and maybe in 20 years we could be a bigger club.

Regular CL and seasons of Premier league football, increase the history and revenue of our club. We are building a bigger stand and a new training ground coming. This project will continue to push us to being a big club and future success.

To trade that all for a tinpot FA Cup!? pfffft.

Wigan will always be a tinpot club and no one will care about them despite winning the cup. Lots of teams have won the Fa Cup and some don't even exist anymore, no one cares than Wanderes have 5 fa cups. Bolton have an Fa cup? does it matter when they are near to going out of business?

Its just pure nostalgia.

In 2030 Id rather be looking back on 10 years in the Prem, some CL runs, consistent high level football and even some EL runs maybe a EL win(if Fulham could why cant we?) and even the CL stranger things have happened! why cant we win it in the future? A team with Jimi Troare, Josemi, Smicer, Finnan and Baros won it!! Europe is weak currently, The best 2 teams in world football are in the prem and it wasn't too long ago we were whispering challenging Liverpool!

That seems more appealing than looking back on 1 6/7 seasons of Championship football, remising on this era of an Fa cup but never kicking on to real success.

You still don't get it really do you? Nobody is talking about trading anything in. It's not an either/or proposition.

[deanolegend1989]

1 minute ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

You still don't get it really do you? Nobody is talking about trading anything in. It's not an either/or proposition.

Well yeah because some people say they would take an Fa cup over Top 4 and im saying thats ridiculous. Its obvious that anyone would pick both of they could but that doesnt answer the question which is more important.

[Webbo]

Qualifying for the CL will mean we can sign better players? Maybe, but to what end? Why have a good squad if you're not trying to win things? 

Say next April we're in the quarter finals of the CL but 7th in the league, should we play a weakened side to try and qualify for the next CL? 

[deanolegend1989]

3 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Qualifying for the CL will mean we can sign better players? Maybe, but to what end? Why have a good squad if you're not trying to win things? 

Say next April we're in the quarter finals of the CL but 7th in the league, should we play a weakened side to try and qualify for the next CL? 

Yes. If we have a chance for CL football it should always be the priority. Or if were 7th then EL or however situation we find ourselfs in. But always be pushing to be the best. Maybe if we become a strong squad and bigger club over the years we can fight on more fronts.

[Bert]

32 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Qualifying for the CL will mean we can sign better players? Maybe, but to what end? Why have a good squad if you're not trying to win things? 

Say next April we're in the quarter finals of the CL but 7th in the league, should we play a weakened side to try and qualify for the next CL? 

Exactly we qualified for the champions league and signed players such as Slimani, Musa, Hernandez, Zieler. What did they do for us and where are they now?