FA Cup

[urban fox]

I can sometimes see the argument for giving fringe players a run out in the early rounds of the cups when against lower league sides. This is more about giving them game time and to hone their match sharpness for if needed later on rather than resting first choice players.This is the QF, against a top side (who we have every chance of beating on our day) and we will be putting the strongest team possible out. There is no way we will be dropping players on Tuesday to save them for the cup either. Saturday showed we need the match practice. Come Sunday, i expect the same, any rotation will purely be down to fitness and injuries. What would be the point resting players for game against Everton in midweek when it is blindingly obvious we need all the match practice we can get. We need to get some momentum, not chop and change unless there is a real need. What would be the effect on morale within the club if we put a second string out and got thumped by Chelsea. Conversely, we could dent theirs by dumping them out of the cup.

The meltdown on here when we crashed out of the cups because Puel "disrespected" those competitions was biblical, yet those self same people are now saying we should just toss away the chance of a semi final or better for the sake of an away game where we may or may not pick up league points a few days later.

Remember Claudios mantra in 15/16: The most important game is the next one. If we have any ambition at all, then we should pick our strongest available side in accordance with the tactics employed for each game. If BR decides to play a different system for the cup that is fine with me, providing that the best players suited to that formation are the ones on the pitch.

Talk of retaining/attracting top quality players only being possible through CL is a fallacy. How attractive would we look if we only ever pick second string teams in the cups. Players want to win trophies, not sign for a team that sticks them on the bench for massive cup games.

[urban fox]

One other thing.  As has been said we won the league, qualified for CL yet we lost our best player and didn't manage make any great signings. Probably because, it was still viewed by many as a bit of a fluke, whereas now we are competing in the top 4, League cup semi and possible Fa cup showing that we can compete in a sustained way on several fronts. If we truly want to be regarded as a "big" club then we must also be there or thereabouts in all competitions.

[Hollyfox]

2 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Obviously Id want to win both..Imagine 3rd place champions league football, Fa Cup success, Vardy to join the 100 Club, Vardy to get the golden boot and Chillwell to sign a long term deal. The dream season if that did happen and our 2nd best in history.

 

The question is which is more important though? I can not see how winning the Fa cup to sacrifise the clubs history is even a question. We have a tough QF vs Chelsea, and will probably have to also beat 2 other top teams including Man City to win it..its very unlikely and a waste of energy..Brighton Tuesday is a huge game, this is so much more important..We MUST win it..Man Utd and Wolves will close us and we have a tough end to the season..if we dont have at least a 3 point gap going into the last game Vs utd, we will not make it..

Why would we not make it if we're not 3 points ahead of Utd? 

They're OK atm but are nothing special. 

If we're scared of them, or anyone for that matter, then there's something wrong. 

We're Leicester and we're here to win things. 

We're not Spurs

😉

[Voll Blau]

People keep citing the Wigan, Portsmouth examples as if winning the Cup wasn't the highlight of their fans' time supporting their clubs. That's what football's all about! Days out and silverware, not nodding quietly at home in appreciation of the financial benefits of good league positions.

 

It's so disappointing to see the Cup described as "tinpot" on here. It smacks of a certain arrogance which has crept into some of our fans since the league wins and I don't like it one bit.

 

As others have said, what's the point in retaining/recruiting good players to end up in an unambitious cycle like Spurs. Let's build on 2016 by actually winning stuff!

Edited 22 June 2020 by Voll Blau

[Footballwipe]

2 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

 

 

I can guarantee we will be more likely to win the FA Cup within the next 10 years if we are in the Premier league than if we arnt.

We've been in the Premier League the last six seasons? We've WON the bloody thing, and still not really got near winning the FA Cup, not even to a semi final.

 

It's the same excuses every year. Whether it's the go up, stay up, win the league, stay in the UCL, stay mid table, qualify for the UCL. Just admit it, it'll never be for you. We could be in the league for 10 years and you'd want another 10 to make sure we're secure for a run.

 

Just an utterly barmy argument, really.

[urban fox]

6 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

People keep citing the Wigan, Portsmouth examples as if winning the Cup wasn't the highlight of their fans' time supporting their clubs. That's what football's all about! Days out and silverware, not nodding quietly at home in appreciation of the financial benefits of good league positions.

 

It's so disappointing to see the Cup described as "tinpot" on here. It smacks of a certain arrogance which has crept into some of our fans since the league wins and I don't like it one bit.

 

As others have said, what's the point in retaining/recruiting good players to end up in an unambiguous cycle like Spurs. Let's build on 2016 by actually winning stuff!

The two play off finals that i managed to get to were undoubtedly massive highlights of my time supporting the foxes. The euphoria of actually getting tickets, the journey down to London, the atmosphere etc. Second only to watching us lift the PL trophy. The league cup (twice), albeit from afar. For the majority of us who cannot actually go to midweek games in European climes (time, finances, work commitments, ticket availability etc) a decent cup run is what stirs the blood. Yes it is great that we have such fantastic owners with a vision of sustainable growth and ambition and i would never knock that but thousands of people will never line the streets with a sea of blue flags because we have just posted a profit on our annual accounts (maybe a bit flippant cos i also remember well those dark days of administration when the very future of the club was in doubt).

It is winning trophies that people remember, paints the buses and the town blue, not a privileged few swanning off to some far flung destination in europe.  Of course i want us to be regular CL/EL competitors but i really really want to see our name engraved on that trophy. I want another day out at Victoria Park, i want the bragging rights and the reflected glory of being able to say that MY team won the cup.

[deanolegend1989]

1 hour ago, Voll Blau said:

People keep citing the Wigan, Portsmouth examples as if winning the Cup wasn't the highlight of their fans' time supporting their clubs. That's what football's all about! Days out and silverware, not nodding quietly at home in appreciation of the financial benefits of good league positions.

 

It's so disappointing to see the Cup described as "tinpot" on here. It smacks of a certain arrogance which has crept into some of our fans since the league wins and I don't like it one bit.

 

As others have said, what's the point in retaining/recruiting good players to end up in an unambitious cycle like Spurs. Let's build on 2016 by actually winning stuff!

 

That's the point though, they are small clubs and if that's the highlight of a clubs history is shows a small club mentality. If we want to be a small club too then by all means lets try and go for the FA Cup and if we win it we can relax and be a lower league club from there on. Or to become a bigger club we have to be knocking out multiple CL campaigns and be known around Europe and the world. People wont know wigan won the Fa cup in Madrid or Turin but they will know who Leicester City are if we keep entering the CL and become 1 of the bigger Premier League clubs.

 

Its not about arrogance or expecting to knock out trebles every year, its about realising we hit the miracle in 2016 and maybe that's a stepping stone to build on it and become a bigger club with sustained(relative) success. No point winning an FA Cup and then admiring it, its about sustained success and trying to improve as a club.

[Corky]

Teams who think big would want to do both, we should be the same. We'll go all out to try and win the FA Cup, I'm sure of it. 

 

We, as fans, should want us to succeed on all fronts. Wigan and Portsmouth aren't even remotely comparable- we aren't getting relegated this season (and shouldn't next year either) and Portsmouth finished 8th when they won it, hardly affected them adversely in the league.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, deanolegend1989 said:

 

That's the point though, they are small clubs and if that's the highlight of a clubs history is shows a small club mentality. If we want to be a small club too then by all means lets try and go for the FA Cup and if we win it we can relax and be a lower league club from there on. Or to become a bigger club we have to be knocking out multiple CL campaigns and be known around Europe and the world. People wont know wigan won the Fa cup in Madrid or Turin but they will know who Leicester City are if we keep entering the CL and become 1 of the bigger Premier League clubs.

 

Its not about arrogance or expecting to knock out trebles every year, its about realising we hit the miracle in 2016 and maybe that's a stepping stone to build on it and become a bigger club with sustained(relative) success. No point winning an FA Cup and then admiring it, its about sustained success and trying to improve as a club.

Sustained success involves winning stuff. Stuff like domestic trophies. Stuff like the FA Cup.

 

Winning the FA Cup would be one of the highlights of our club's history as well, assuming you understand our history predates 2016? The idea that having an ambition to win English football's second biggest trophy somehow reflects a "small club mentality" is laughable - oh, and it absolutely does smack of arrogance too.

 

Oh, and I couldn't give a flying fvck about brand recognition abroad. That is utterly meaningless to me. I'm a Leicester supporter, not a marketing manager.

Edited 22 June 2020 by Voll Blau

[deanolegend1989]

6 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Sustained success involves winning stuff. Stuff like domestic trophies. Stuff like the FA Cup.

 

Winning the FA Cup would be one of the highlights of our club's history as well, assuming you understand our history predates 2016? The idea that having an ambition to win English football's second biggest trophy somehow reflects a "small club mentality" is laughable - oh, and it absolutely does smack of arrogance too.

 

Oh, and I couldn't give a flying fvck about brand recognition abroad. That is utterly meaningless to me. I'm a Leicester supporter, not a marketing manager.

Its not that I don't want to win the FA Cup but its more likely to happen if we can build a top team.
Its very hard to win anything vs these power house clubs so unless you get extremely lucky by the run to the final like Portsmouth in 08 when all the top teams lost or you have a miracle performance in a final when you withstand pressure and knick a freak from a set piece, your not going to win anything vs the super powers.

So this is also why top 4 is so much more important because it will give us a chance to compete for these trophies.

[Izzy]

5 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Winning domestic trophies doesn't mean much anymore..They are meaningless.

Not to the players they aren't.

 

Tony Cottee only ever won one domestic trophy in his career and that was the League Cup with us. Try telling him it's meaningless. 

[Hollyfox]

1 hour ago, deanolegend1989 said:

 

That's the point though, they are small clubs and if that's the highlight of a clubs history is shows a small club mentality. If we want to be a small club too then by all means lets try and go for the FA Cup and if we win it we can relax and be a lower league club from there on. Or to become a bigger club we have to be knocking out multiple CL campaigns and be known around Europe and the world. People wont know wigan won the Fa cup in Madrid or Turin but they will know who Leicester City are if we keep entering the CL and become 1 of the bigger Premier League clubs.

 

Its not about arrogance or expecting to knock out trebles every year, its about realising we hit the miracle in 2016 and maybe that's a stepping stone to build on it and become a bigger club with sustained(relative) success. No point winning an FA Cup and then admiring it, its about sustained success and trying to improve as a club.

If you think Portsmouth is a small club, then I'm done😄

[Sly]

I’d love to win the FA Cup.

[deanolegend1989]

4 minutes ago, Hollyfox said:

If you think Portsmouth is a small club, then I'm done😄

Portsmouth is a small club. They would just about get into the Championship if you had to pick leagues based on size. We'd make the Premier League.

[Hollyfox]

2 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Portsmouth is a small club. They would just about get into the Championship if you had to pick leagues based on size. We'd make the Premier League.

We'll agree to disagree on that one. 

 

[deanolegend1989]

Just now, Hollyfox said:

We'll agree to disagree on that one. 

 

I think Top 6, Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Leeds are the top 10.

followed by West Ham, Southampton, Leicester, Forest, Sheffield Wednesday.

The others are up for debate.

[Hollyfox]

You said Portsmouth were a small club. 

Had they had our owners, with the infrastructure that they have put in place, they would hold their own in the Premier imo. 

Very good fans that travel in large numbers, considering their southern location. 

 

PS. You missed Sunderland 👍

[sacreblueits442]

4 hours ago, Corky said:

Teams who think big would want to do both, we should be the same. We'll go all out to try and win the FA Cup, I'm sure of it. 

 

We, as fans, should want us to succeed on all fronts. Wigan and Portsmouth aren't even remotely comparable- we aren't getting relegated this season (and shouldn't next year either) and Portsmouth finished 8th when they won it, hardly affected them adversely in the league.

...I wouldn't bet on it!!!

We will come out and pass it around the back four, they will press us and we will be under the cosh all game!!!

  We are never set up with the right mindset for big games. It was as if we did not care if we got to the League Cup final or not, and that was in both legs.

Massive opportunity, and we just threw it away.

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I wouldn't bet on it!!!

We will come out and pass it around the back four, they will press us and we will be under the cosh all game!!!

  We are never set up with the right mindset for big games. It was as if we did not care if we got to the League Cup final or not, and that was in both legs.

Massive opportunity, and we just threw it away.

We had 43 shots over the two legs, hardly as though we didn't care and just passing it around the back.

[urban fox]

2 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Its not that I don't want to win the FA Cup but its more likely to happen if we can build a top team.
Its very hard to win anything vs these power house clubs so unless you get extremely lucky by the run to the final like Portsmouth in 08 when all the top teams lost or you have a miracle performance in a final when you withstand pressure and knick a freak from a set piece, your not going to win anything vs the super powers.

So this is also why top 4 is so much more important because it will give us a chance to compete for these trophies.

I get what you are saying but we have a decent chance right here and now. If you hadn’t noticed we are in the top four right here and now also so your argument doesn’t hold up. With the exception of Man City we are above every other team left in it.

the cup is a knockout competition and league form often goes out the window and that is the whole point and the magic of it. If you do not recognise that then you have no soul. Football should be about emotion not accountancy (no offence to any accountants out there) 

[Innovindil]

You could make me listen to the FA cup final on the radio like a cave man I'd still absolutely love it if we won it. Can't believe people want to just throw it away. 

[sacreblueits442]

11 minutes ago, Corky said:

We had 43 shots over the two legs, hardly as though we didn't care and just passing it around the back.

...I would like to know which shots are being counted, as it did not look as if we were going to score!!!!

Nothing being created, an average of 68% possession for us and Villa had a total of  4 shots on target and yet looked the most potent in both legs.

[Hollyfox]

2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I would like to know which shots are being counted, as it did not look as if we were going to score!!!!

Nothing being created, an average of 68% possession for us and Villa had a total of  4 shots on target and yet looked the most potent in both legs.

Although we didn't do ourselves justice, their keeper had a blinder at VP and the VAR was a joke

[FoxesDeb]

 

3 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I think Top 6, Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Leeds are the top 10.

followed by West Ham, Southampton, Leicester, Forest, Sheffield Wednesday.

The others are up for debate.

Portsmouth are a bigger club than Southampton 

[Spudulike]

3 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

I think Top 6, Newcastle, Everton, Villa, Leeds are the top 10.

followed by West Ham, Southampton, Leicester, Forest, Sheffield Wednesday.

The others are up for debate.

Up to 14 in all time Premier League table. 

 

https://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeLeagueTable?comp_code=EPL