Fox in the North Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 So because people and countries were bad before, that justifies people and countries to continue to be bad and we should just accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 1 minute ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: So it's fine that there's a horrible law because some people break it. World-leading equality, tolerance and inclusivity right here. So because you dont agree with their laws and beliefs they shouldnt be allowed to host the world cup? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 2 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: So because you dont agree with their laws and beliefs they shouldnt be allowed to host the world cup? They are hosting a pinnacle international competition, and are meant to be welcoming all cultures, religions, beliefs etc. If you cannot tolerate others, how can you be allowed to celebrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 1 minute ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: Whataboutery at its finest. The hyprocisy at its finest you mean 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 1 minute ago, Fox in the North said: They are hosting a pinnacle international competition, and are meant to be welcoming all cultures, religions, beliefs etc. If you cannot tolerate others, how can you be allowed to celebrate? They are welcoming all cultures though? Has anyone made a rule to stop gay people entering qatar? All they have asked is for people not to show it in public which i do not see the issue with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 4 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: So because you dont agree with their laws and beliefs they shouldnt be allowed to host the world cup? Funnily enough, no, that's not the reason. That'll be because some of the laws, beliefs and practices are intolerant, repressive and show scant regard for basic human rignts. Oh, and also the bribery and corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 7 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: So because you dont agree with their laws and beliefs they shouldnt be allowed to host the world cup? Human rights trump laws and (fvckinng absurd) "beliefs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbacker Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 3 minutes ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: So it's fine that there's a horrible law because some people break it. World-leading equality, tolerance and inclusivity right here. it simply is the belief of the country and in the world that we live multiple beliefs exist. It is as simple as that. Its great that Britain and most of the western world has embraced gays and lesbians (but let's remember up until 2 years ago marriage of gays and lesbians was illegal in Britain). But just because you have certain beliefs it does not mean that other have to have these beliefs to especially if they are governed by an entirely different doctrine (the Muslim Religion). Ok i will state it more simply so even you can understand ... Women in Qatar face no discrimination because they are women. How about that. is that "World-leading equality, tolerance and inclusivity right" there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 12 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: Ha ha ha you really are one informed individual ... NOT! try leaving your living room to get a true perspective of the world. This has got to be a wind up nobody can be as ill-informed as this .. surely? Sorry, which part of this post do you disagree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 4 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: They are welcoming all cultures though? Has anyone made a rule to stop gay people entering qatar? All they have asked is for people not to show it in public which i do not see the issue with? What about their treatment of gay people when they are in the country? That's where the backwards regressive approach is widely (and rightly) criticised globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbacker Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 2 minutes ago, ozleicester said: Human rights trump laws and (fvckinng absurd) "beliefs" Name me one country in the world that does not have human rights abuse and i will call you a genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 4 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: The hyprocisy at its finest you mean No, no, I mean whataboutery. Are you being paid by Qatar to respond to any criticism with accusations of 'hypocrisy' or are you just doing it for fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Lcfc Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 36 minutes ago, Fox in the North said: I’m not comparing the value of lives. It’s a shame that any one loses their life at a place of work. Obviously I’m comparing the amount of deaths, the numbers simply can’t be ignored. Russia has shown that it was a farce of a World Cup too. Less so though. People hate to hear this, but Qatar and Russia are not even on the same level. At least, 2018 was hosted in a European country with the relevant infrastructure in place, not the best decision, but Qatar is x10 worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 2 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: But just because you have certain beliefs it does not mean that other have to have these beliefs to especially if they are governed by an entirely different doctrine (the Muslim Religion). Well on that basis then just because some Qataris have certain beliefs it does not mean that others have to have those beliefs too especially if they are not governed by that doctrine. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbacker Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 3 minutes ago, Lako42 said: Sorry, which part of this post do you disagree with? Actually every single word because it is the biggest piece of BULLSHIT i have ever read on this forum. Invading neighbor states using radio active material WHAT? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 3 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: Name me one country in the world that does not have human rights abuse and i will call you a genius Well, how can anyone beat the fabulous argument that because other countries do some bad things criticisms of one country doing bad things are therefore completely invalid? Truly, it is you who is the genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugent Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 Looking forward to it myself! The 10am, 1pm and 4pm kick-offs are a lovely addition to my days working from home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_Lcfc Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 16 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said: So because you dont agree with their laws and beliefs they shouldnt be allowed to host the world cup? If you cannot uphold basic Liberal principles and ridicule minorities, do not expect any sympathy on the global stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 3 minutes ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: No, no, I mean whataboutery. Are you being paid by Qatar to respond to any criticism with accusations of 'hypocrisy' or are you just doing it for fun? Yes, i am being paid by Qatar. Because it is so surprising that someone disagrees with your standpoint on their beliefs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc098 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 1 minute ago, Matt_Lcfc said: If you cannot uphold basic Liberal principles and ridicule minorities, do not expect any sympathy on the global stage. As the poster above stated, gay marriage was not even legal in britain until 2 years ago yet you all happily lived in it before then? Whats changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbacker Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 1 minute ago, Manley Farrington-Brown said: Well on that basis then just because some Qataris have certain beliefs it does not mean that others have to have those beliefs too especially if they are not governed by that doctrine. No? I have no idea what you mean. It is all Muslim that have these belief not just Qatari have you ever been to Egypt or Lebanon etc etc etc? Anyway you cannot argue with Ill-informed individuals who believe that their beliefs should be the beliefs of everyone else. Tolerance of individuals to believe and act in a manner different from your own views id a virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackenbacker Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 11 minutes ago, StanSP said: What about their treatment of gay people when they are in the country? That's where the backwards regressive approach is widely (and rightly) criticised globally. What treatment of gay people? Do you think they have gangs of vigilantes going around from house to house with flaming torches seeking out gays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lako42 Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 11 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: Actually every single word because it is the biggest piece of BULLSHIT i have ever read on this forum. Invading neighbor states using radio active material WHAT? I think you might need to go and try reading it again, slowly this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 4 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: What treatment of gay people? Do you think they have gangs of vigilantes going around from house to house with flaming torches seeking out gays? If someone gay shows affection or even just holds hands in public, what happens? What is their punishment, if any? Are they beaten up? Are they arrested? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manley Farrington-Brown Posted 16 November 2022 Share Posted 16 November 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: I have no idea what you mean. It is all Muslim that have these belief not just Qatari Surely you realise this discussion is about Qatar? You know, because the World Cup's there? 12 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: Anyway you cannot argue with Ill-informed individuals who believe that their beliefs should be the beliefs of everyone else. Apparently not. Can you see the irony in your statement? 12 minutes ago, hackenbacker said: Tolerance of individuals to believe and act in a manner different from your own views id a virtue. Exactly. That's the point people are making and against which you are arguing. Edited 16 November 2022 by Manley Farrington-Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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