Fifa World Cup 2022 - Qatar

[Sol thewall Bamba]

5 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Missing the whole point entirely what a surprise

Stop digging mate.

[Guest Lako42]

1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said:

 

That's my point though. Workers died whilst building the world cup stadiums in Russia in 2018 yet i didnt see one person calling for it not to be hosted there. Does it only matter when it's a certain country or demographic?

What about you?

[Lcfc098]

1 minute ago, Lako42 said:

What about you?

What about me? I know putting it on a forum that i wont be watching this world cup on the TV won't make any difference whatsoever to them but then again. people in this country do seem to love empty gestures Seen that throughout covid

[st albans fox]

There is a lot of politics and some religious intolerance in the arguments for/against Qatar 

 

from a purely sporting angle, any country who wants to host the mens World Cup should be in a position to host the womens.  If they are not then they aren’t suitable - end of. 

[LVFox]

Nerdy post here, but if anyone’s after a decent wallchart, the one in FourFourTwo is a beauty.

 

 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

Going well!

 

 

 

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

1 hour ago, Lcfc098 said:

 

That's my point though. Workers died whilst building the world cup stadiums in Russia in 2018 yet i didnt see one person calling for it not to be hosted there. Does it only matter when it's a certain country or demographic?

So as I think it was obscene to hold it in Russia I'm allowed to think it's obscene to hold it in Qatar? But if I didn't I wouldn't be?

[Fox in the North]

1 hour ago, Lcfc098 said:

 

That's my point though. Workers died whilst building the world cup stadiums in Russia in 2018 yet i didnt see one person calling for it not to be hosted there. Does it only matter when it's a certain country or demographic?

These aren’t even the latest figures… even Russia doesn’t compare http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/now/politics/214003-qatar-world-cup-death-toll

[Lcfc098]

Just now, Fox in the North said:

These aren’t even the latest figures… even Russia doesn’t compare http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/now/politics/214003-qatar-world-cup-death-toll

It's not about comparing. Are these worker lives more valuable than the ones who died in Russia?

[filbertway]

16 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Going well!

 

 

 

Sounds like someone has had a nice chunk from Qatar to try and put a positive spin on how it is for journo's

 

[Nick]

Any truth in the rumours of stonings at half time during games?

[Daggers]

1 hour ago, Lcfc098 said:

 

That's my point though. Workers died whilst building the world cup stadiums in Russia in 2018 yet i didnt see one person calling for it not to be hosted there. Does it only matter when it's a certain country or demographic?

The problem then is your memory - not people decrying the corruption that lay behind handing a tournament to an international terrorist and fascist state oppressor. 

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

Any truth in the rumours of stonings at half time during games?

I'll be stoned throughout the entire month.

[Nick]

Just now, Daggers said:

I'll be stoned throughout the entire month.

As long as its outside your core 18 hours of rigorous exercise.

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Nick said:

As long as its outside your core 18 hours of rigorous exercise.

Heightens the happy ending

[Fox in the North]

10 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

It's not about comparing. Are these worker lives more valuable than the ones who died in Russia?

I’m not comparing the value of lives. It’s a shame that any one loses their life at a place of work. Obviously I’m comparing the amount of deaths, the numbers simply can’t be ignored. 
 

Russia has shown that it was a farce of a World Cup too. 

[hackenbacker]

2 hours ago, Lcfc098 said:

That's just not right though is it  Not defending what is happening to the workers over there obviously but doesn't help when you're making up fake statistics to further your agenda

I have stayed out of the argument of the number of foreign works who died building the stadium as i don't work in the construction industry in Qatar and i don't know what the true number is but from my personal experience of living here for 6 years and in the ME for nearly 20 i doubt very very much it was anywhere near the 6500 quoted by British Media and i doubt very very much it was anywhere near 3 or 30 quoted by the Qatari government.  The 6500 comes from Amnesty International an organization that relies on private funding to survive so it is in their interest to promote the highest number possible, wip up a frenzy and benefit by increased funding.  The figure apparently comes from information obtained from the embassies in Qatar representing the 'guest workers" as they are called of the number of citizens from each of the main countries of workers who died in Qatar between 2012 and 2019. The information does not contain the cause of death. there are over 1.7 million guest workers in Qatar. The government information ... well let me just say i take anything the Qatari government says with a pinch of salt and i work for the Qatari government. From my observations safety standards on construction sites are quite high with all workers wearing the correct safety equipment including harnesses when at heights. The construction sites all have safety boards that display the number of safety man hours achieved.  There are incidents no doubt and i heard of one recently where a gantry collapsed killing two workers. More incidents for guest workers occur around the conditions in which they live. Most stay in labour camps an hour or two from the centre of doha with multiple workers per room. The employer is responsible for providing accommodation, food and transport along with a ticket home every two years. There are quite a lot disputes on unpaid wages and these are dealt with by the ministry of labour or the law courts but settlement can take quite a while and there is no social  support system in the country. Holding an employees passport is illegal and the system of having to obtain employer approval to leave the country has been scrapped. There are still restrictions on what some guest workers can do and they need a no objection certificate from their employer to get a drivers licence to bring their family to Qatar to live (a minimum salary requirement is need) or to drink alcohol if they are a non-muslim. Some malls don't let quest workers in on a friday (weekend) but that is there decision. Other than that they are free to go and do as they like. With respect to gay and lesbian rights yes these practices are illegal but they go on .. just check out locanto qatar personals.  There is also a high number of Pilipino effeminate  men who reside in the country  (you can tell from their look and behavior). With respect to women's rights well my wife as lived here 6 years to and felt no discrimination. Local women can drive, can go out without male chaperone and increasing can marry for love rather than arrangement. There are a few well know bars and cafes where locals go to meet the opposite sex. With respect to one person on this forum saying Qatar cannot host the women's world cup. Well since i have been here they have held the women's world gymnastics finals. the world athletics finals with ladies in very brief briefs (i should know i went every day) the FINA world short course championships (Men and Women) various road running races (men and women) and triathlons (men and women) should i go on? Finally for the guy who says Qatar is in the medieval ages ... grow a brain! BTW i an not a Qatari I am Australian.  I am not defending Qatar as the country is far from perfect (hell my country used to stick immigrants in a prison on a remote Island and forget about them) but just telling how i see it. 

Edited 16 November 2022 by hackenbacker

[Lcfc098]

3 minutes ago, hackenbacker said:

I have stayed out of the argument of the number of foreign works who died building the stadium as i don't work in the construction industry in Qatar and i don't know what the true number is but from my personal experience of living here for 6 years and in the ME for nearly 20 i doubt very very much it was anywhere near the 6500 quoted by British Media and i doubt very very much it was anywhere near 3 or 30 quoted by the Qatari government.  The 6500 comes from Amnesty International an organization that relies on private funding to survive so it is in their interest to promote the highest number possible, wip up a frenzy and benefit by increased funding.  The figure apparently comes from information obtained from the embassies in Qatar representing the 'guest workers" as they are called of the number of citizens from each of the main countries of workers who died in Qatar between 2012 and 2019. The information does not contain the cause of death. there are over 1.7 million guest workers in Qatar. The government information ... well let me just say i take anything the Qatari government says with a pinch of salt and i work for the Qatari government. From my observations safety standards on construction sites are quite high with all workers wearing the correct safety equipment including harnesses when at heights. The construction sites all have safety boards that display the number of safety man hours achieved.  There are incidents no doubt and i heard of one recently where a gantry collapsed killing two workers. More incidents for guest workers occur around the conditions in which they live. Most stay in labour camps an hour or two from the centre of doha with multiple workers per room. The employer is responsible for providing accommodation, food and transport along with a ticket home every two years. There are quite a lot disputes on unpaid wages and these are dealt with by the ministry of labour or the law courts but settlement can take quite a while and there is no social  support system in the country. Holding an employees passport is illegal and the system of having to obtain employer approval to leave the country has been scrapped. There are still restrictions on what some guest workers can do and they need a no objection certificate from their employer to get a drivers licence to bring their family to Qatar to live (a minimum salary requirement is need) or to drink alcohol if they are a non-muslim. Some malls don't let quest workers in on a friday (weekend) but that is there decision. Other than that they are free to go and do as they like. With respect to gay and lesbian rights yes these practices are illegal but they go on .. just check out locanto qatar personals.  There is also a high number of Pilipino effeminate  men who reside in the country  (you can tell from their look and behavior). With respect to women's rights well my wife as lived here 6 years to and felt no discrimination. Local women can drive, can go out without male chaperone and increasing can marry for love rather than arrangement. There are a few well know bars and cafes where locals go to meet the opposite sex. With respect to one person on this forum saying Qatar cannot host the women's world cup. Well since i have been here they have held the women's world gymnastics finals. the world athletics finals with ladies in very brief briefs (i should know i went every day) the FINA world short course championships (Men and Women) various road running races (men and women) and triathlons (men and women) should i go on? Finally for the guy who says Qatar is in the medieval ages ... grow a brain! BTW i an not a Qatari I am Australian.  

Exactly. I have no relations to Qatar and can see the media are sensationalizing the headlines to make them look as bad as possible and everyone falling for it as they do. Only reason i can think of is to do with the religion of the country.

[Lcfc098]

20 minutes ago, Daggers said:

The problem then is your memory - not people decrying the corruption that lay behind handing a tournament to an international terrorist and fascist state oppressor. 

International Terrorists  We might aswell ban nearly every single country competing in the tournament then if thats the case.

[Lcfc098]

25 minutes ago, Daggers said:

The problem then is your memory - not people decrying the corruption that lay behind handing a tournament to an international terrorist and fascist state oppressor. 

Facist state. My gosh you need to do some more research before coming on here spouting absolute nonsense. You have not got a clue and are just following the media like a sheep

[Daggers]

Just now, Lcfc098 said:

International Terrorists  We might aswell ban nearly every single country competing in the tournament then if thats the case.

Let me try leading you by the hand on this one as you appear to be struggling: What would you call carrying out kill operations in overseas territories, using radioactive substances to facilitate executions of those opposed to the state, and conducting an illegal bombing and invasion of a neighbouring sovereign country that involves substantiated war crimes?

[Lcfc098]

Just now, Daggers said:

Let me try leading you by the hand on this one as you appear to be struggling: What would you call carrying out kill operations in overseas territories, using radioactive substances to facilitate executions of those opposed to the state, and conducting an illegal bombing and invasion of a neighbouring sovereign country that involves substantiated war crimes?

Im not disputing the facts about what they have done? Im sure you were also against England hosting the Euros due to their invasion of Iraq? Or do you only save your complaints for a certain demographic country?

[hackenbacker]

3 minutes ago, Daggers said:

Let me try leading you by the hand on this one as you appear to be struggling: What would you call carrying out kill operations in overseas territories, using radioactive substances to facilitate executions of those opposed to the state, and conducting an illegal bombing and invasion of a neighbouring sovereign country that involves substantiated war crimes?

Ha ha ha you really are one informed individual ... NOT! try leaving your living room to get a true perspective of the world. This has got to be a wind up nobody can be as ill-informed as this .. surely?

Edited 16 November 2022 by hackenbacker

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

14 minutes ago, hackenbacker said:

With respect to gay and lesbian rights yes these practices are illegal but they go on

So it's fine that there's a horrible law because some people break it.

 

9 minutes ago, Lcfc098 said:

Local women can drive, can go out without male chaperone and increasing can marry for love rather than arrangement

World-leading equality, tolerance and inclusivity right here.

[Manley Farrington-Brown]

1 minute ago, Lcfc098 said:

Im not disputing the facts about what they have done? Im sure you were also against England hosting the Euros due to their invasion of Iraq? Or do you only save your complaints for a certain demographic country?

Whataboutery at its finest.