Belgium player tests positive for COVID-19

[TonyN11]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Player tests negative = player cannot pass on the virus (they are not infectious) 
 

but having been in contact with a positive case, the player could at any point in the following two weeks become infectious - between the point which they develop that capability and the point at which they are next tested (which would be positive) they are then able to transmit the virus.  so it’s a big risk for us over the next two weeks .....

 

Yes but the test is to see if you have the virus, not whether you are infectious. If you test negative and you have no contact with any other positive case then you still remain negative.

I haven't heard that Covid-19 remains dormant in your body (and therefore tests negative) but can then flare up later so you can pass it on.

If that was the case, health workers would not be able to return to work just after they had a negative test

[TonyN11]

2 hours ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Stupid to let internationals go ahead like anyone is bothered. People will only care when the Euros are on which I hope will be a belter and a celebration of football being back properly.

Yes, but at least tonight may have given the opportunity for Kasper to get his 'rush out and leave my goal exposed' madness out of his system. 

[st albans fox]

12 minutes ago, TonyN11 said:

Yes but the test is to see if you have the virus, not whether you are infectious. If you test negative and you have no contact with any other positive case then you still remain negative.

I haven't heard that Covid-19 remains dormant in your body (and therefore tests negative) but can then flare up later so you can pass it on.

If that was the case, health workers would not be able to return to work just after they had a negative test

you can be incubating the virus for up to 14 days before you show symptoms 

 

I’m pretty sure that until you are testing positive, you can’t pass it on .. But you  can still be incubating the virus having contracted it 

 

but you would probably test positive by 10 days after contact with the source which means my maths was a few days out 

 

 

Edited 8 September 2020 by st albans fox

[W88DY]

3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

I really dont understand why international friendlies happen, almost every footy fan I know off doesnt bother with them, they just seen as a hindrence.

Here, here! I don`t get it either, never have and never will ! They even renamed it as The nations League just to make it sound better than what it is and so it gathers a bigger audience but it it doesn`t ! It`s just dull ....

[TonyN11]

14 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

you can be incubating the virus for up to 14 days before you show symptoms 

 

I’m pretty sure that until you are testing positive, you can’t pass it on .. But you  can still be incubating the virus having contracted it 

 

but you would probably test positive by 10 days after contact with the source which means my maths was a few days out 

 

 

I'm sure we'll be able to get a conclusive clarification from Mr Hancock....

 

 

In the meantime, goodnight readers

[WigstonWanderer]

16 minutes ago, W88DY said:

Here, here! I don`t get it either, never have and never will ! They even renamed it as The nations League just to make it sound better than what it is and so it gathers a bigger audience but it it doesn`t ! It`s just dull ....

I quite enjoyed the first Nations League tournament, and it was certainly a better alternative than the friendlies. However, this year, with the Covid risk and a crowded domestic schedule due to the late season start, I’d assumed that all internationals, at least in the first half of the season, would be cancelled. I was quite shocked to hear they were on.

 

Total madness.

Edited 8 September 2020 by WigstonWanderer

[W88DY]

4 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

I quite enjoyed the first Nations League tournament, and it was certainly a better alternative than the friendlies. However, this year, with the Covid risk and a crowded domestic schedule due to the late season start, I’d assumed that all internationals, at least in the first half of the season, would be cancelled. I was quite shocked to hear they were on.

 

Total madness.

Yes i agree with you regarding the first Nations league tournament and it kind of seemed a better watch but at the end of the day it is still just a friendly match,  yes no fans don`t help matters but with it being a friendly the players are not exactly up for it like it`s a qualifier and means something. 

Like you mentioned all friendly games should of been called off during this current pandemic in my opinion ! 

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

you can be incubating the virus for up to 14 days before you show symptoms 

 

I’m pretty sure that until you are testing positive, you can’t pass it on .. But you  can still be incubating the virus having contracted it 

 

but you would probably test positive by 10 days after contact with the source which means my maths was a few days out 

 

 

I'm confused. Is your maths saying we're ****ed?

 

So they all have to isolate for ten days meaning they'll miss the next match?

 

I don't think we'll be winning the premier league covid table this year. I hear there's a European place up for grabs.

Edited 8 September 2020 by Foxxed

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, TonyN11 said:

Yes but the test is to see if you have the virus, not whether you are infectious. If you test negative and you have no contact with any other positive case then you still remain negative.

I haven't heard that Covid-19 remains dormant in your body (and therefore tests negative) but can then flare up later so you can pass it on.

If that was the case, health workers would not be able to return to work just after they had a negative test

Yep. If this were true, then testing would be pointless.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

you can be incubating the virus for up to 14 days before you show symptoms 

 

I’m pretty sure that until you are testing positive, you can’t pass it on .. But you  can still be incubating the virus having contracted it 

 

but you would probably test positive by 10 days after contact with the source which means my maths was a few days out 

 

 

If this were true, anyone could have it, at any time, and we should all just lock ourselves away.

[brucey]

2 hours ago, TonyN11 said:

Yes but the test is to see if you have the virus, not whether you are infectious. If you test negative and you have no contact with any other positive case then you still remain negative.

I haven't heard that Covid-19 remains dormant in your body (and therefore tests negative) but can then flare up later so you can pass it on.

If that was the case, health workers would not be able to return to work just after they had a negative test

It is possible to test negative while being infected with the virus in its early stages. Say you did a test half an hour after being infected, the few virus particles that made it into your system have only just started replicating, and you’re not producing enough virus yourself to be detected until a few days later. 

[brucey]

46 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

If this were true, anyone could have it, at any time, and we should all just lock ourselves away.

Anyone could indeed have it at any time - that is why we have asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission - and that’s why we should all be wearing masks.

[st albans fox]

7 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Yep. If this were true, then testing would be pointless.

 

7 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

If this were true, anyone could have it, at any time, and we should all just lock ourselves away.

@brucey answered for me 

 

I’m afraid you can be incubating for some time and not be infectious ......hence the precautions we have in place.  I think that testing players twice weekly is too low. I would advocate that every PL club should be testing their staff every day with a ‘mobile testing machine’ (available for under 50k) to avoid the obvious occurring.  Given what’s at stake financially if the Prem season falls apart, it’s not asking much ??

[UHDrive]

17 hours ago, Walkers said:

I presume people who don't like international football or its "glorified friendlies" don't pay any attention to the Euros/World Cup. I feel sorry for you

Fans want excitement in games so I can see it from that point of view and you've had 2 bad timed games that have been that bad to watch. I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. 

[Chrysalis]

How long till we know if our players are in the clear or not? I am guessing these private tests are quite quick to get results?

[volpeazzurro]

11 hours ago, st albans fox said:

you can be incubating the virus for up to 14 days before you show symptoms 

 

I’m pretty sure that until you are testing positive, you can’t pass it on .. But you  can still be incubating the virus having contracted it 

 

but you would probably test positive by 10 days after contact with the source which means my maths was a few days out 

 

 

I'm not medically trained and not absolutely sure but, symptoms are one thing, the presence of a virus quite another. We know for example that people can have the virus and remain asymptomatic throughout and never go on to develop symptoms that would alert you to seek a test or medical attention. This happened to a mates daughter, mid 40s and a microbioligist ironically. Just had a routine test as she worked in a hospital. It was positive. No cough, no high temperature  no loss of sense of taste etc, nothing, felt well, never remotely got ill. Her husband also tested positive and developed a minor cough, both just had to isolate. Nothing to do with symptoms or incubation or dormant periods, if its there, it will be picked up before it can be transmitted to someone else as I understand it. Sometimes this asymptomatic reaction may, I'm led to believe, be due to the body receiving only a very small viral load and the body can therefore overwhelm it before it's able to replicate and cause damage but I'm not sure or remotely qualified to enlarge upon the latter. 

[reynard]

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

 

@brucey answered for me 

 

I’m afraid you can be incubating for some time and not be infectious ......hence the precautions we have in place.  I think that testing players twice weekly is too low. I would advocate that every PL club should be testing their staff every day with a ‘mobile testing machine’ (available for under 50k) to avoid the obvious occurring.  Given what’s at stake financially if the Prem season falls apart, it’s not asking much ??

I agree.

"Since we now know that people can become infectious up to 2 days before symptoms begin, you could spread the disease to others if you do not go into isolation."

from the Govt website.

The average length of time to become infected after contact with an infected person and show symptoms is I believe 5 days and 90% show symptoms within 10.1 days and that after 14 days infection is rare.

 

Edited 9 September 2020 by reynard

[Stoopid]

12 hours ago, TonyN11 said:

Yes, but at least tonight may have given the opportunity for Kasper to get his 'rush out and leave my goal exposed' madness out of his system. 

If only...

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

How long till we know if our players are in the clear or not? I am guessing these private tests are quite quick to get results?

Strictly speaking, around the Burnley game 

 

once we get past that they won’t show a positive test from the Belgium camp exposure 

 

in the meantime, I would be asking the squad to be v careful re their Interactions 

[Trav Le Bleu]

10 hours ago, st albans fox said:

 

@brucey answered for me 

 

I’m afraid you can be incubating for some time and not be infectious ......hence the precautions we have in place.  I think that testing players twice weekly is too low. I would advocate that every PL club should be testing their staff every day with a ‘mobile testing machine’ (available for under 50k) to avoid the obvious occurring.  Given what’s at stake financially if the Prem season falls apart, it’s not asking much ??

I get what you're saying now.

 

However, given operation restart saw few cases of players catching covid (I can't remember any major ones, but I'm assuming there were some ) at a time when the pandemic was more rife, surely carrying on with same procedures will be as effective?

[st albans fox]

48 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

I get what you're saying now.

 

However, given operation restart saw few cases of players catching covid (I can't remember any major ones, but I'm assuming there were some ) at a time when the pandemic was more rife, surely carrying on with same procedures will be as effective?

in late may and through june/july, there was very little virus around. there is far more now, especially in the younger generation who many players will socialise with. and in late may and early june, the restrictions were very much still in place compared to recent weeks.  project restart saw the clubs maintaining a bubble of sorts - holidays and international squads have broken those bubbles immediately. hopefully, once we get started and cases have dropped away in squads, they can maintain their isolation to keep the virus under control there

[waylander]

21 hours ago, st albans fox said:

in late may and through june/july, there was very little virus around. there is far more now, especially in the younger generation who many players will socialise with. and in late may and early june, the restrictions were very much still in place compared to recent weeks.  project restart saw the clubs maintaining a bubble of sorts - holidays and international squads have broken those bubbles immediately. hopefully, once we get started and cases have dropped away in squads, they can maintain their isolation to keep the virus under control there

Hope this is the procedure they are taking. Is there any update on the players . Any announcement from the club

[hackneyfox]

On 08/09/2020 at 21:17, Free Falling Foxes said:

The tradition 'top six' ie. those with bigger squads, will be less affected by losing players throughout the season, whereas the rest of us will be involved in a season that will be more akin to a lottery.

Go ahead with this season, including friendlies, but scrap titles, promotion and relegation until 21/22 season I say.

And the point of the season would be?

Nobody would go to the games and who would bother paying to watch a game of TV that you've now essentially made a friendly.