Robo61 Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: As already stated, I was unsure of which list was being discussed. However, the fact people believed these claims is astounding in its own right. I guessed as much, but not really aimed at you, it's for the ones that are keeping quite today.😂 Edited 12 January 2022 by Robo61
Dahnsouff Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 25 minutes ago, SecretPro said: Can't forget that the Covid Enquiry, when we finally get one, will absolutely savage this current crop. A whole, long list of them, not just Boris. Especially on the contract front, which a high court judge today ruled to have been illegal. If they are found to have committed criminal acts, then send them down, but if they never did it for Blair, I would not hold your breath.
WigstonWanderer Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: What Brexit lies? 52 minutes ago, weller54 said: Do you want a list!!!.. Lets start with the £350m a WEEK the NHS were going to get! Where's that? 51 minutes ago, SecretPro said: Can't tell if serious. Putting aside the obvious lies obvious to anyone with eyes (such as trade will be easier/better/worth more which has failed horrifically on all three counts). Here's a little one, amongst many, many little ones. The EU gave Cornwall £100m in funding every single year. Boris promised that upon leaving, the government would replace this like for like, penny for penny. This year they have been given £1m. So, 1% of the previous figure. 41 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said: Northern Ireland was a pretty big one wasn't it.... Starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch
Dahnsouff Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 Just now, WigstonWanderer said: Starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch Strange, it got me thinking about fork handles…
Robo61 Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 2 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch https://theconversation.com/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-us-57248 1
Corky Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 Rees-Mogg, on LBC tonight, has called the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Douglas Ross, insignificant after he claimed Johnson should resign.
CosbehFox Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 The doubling down tonight from his cabinet personally I think is the best news for actual change rather than him resigning and a new Tory leader wheeled in. Their position as a whole is weaker keeping him in situ. Touch of the John Major era here and the various sleaze scandals slowly building up.
CosbehFox Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 (edited) As others have eluded, journalists have sat on this story in months. You can’t have 100 invites and have the journos of Westminster not knowing. Now some of the journos probably wanted to run this story but there is a massive likelyhood that their editors, friends of Alex , didn’t want too - see his jaunt back from the G20 via jet to get to a newspaper shindig. After all this is a man what refers to the Telegraph as his real employer. This is the state we currently live and vote for Edited 12 January 2022 by Cardiff_Fox 1
st albans fox Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 sue gray has to take a punt on who wins the next GE or her ‘dame hood’ will be delayed another five years …..
Foxdiamond Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 What sticks in the throat is that Johnson should resign or be forced out as a matter ethics instead Tory MPs will just be thinking of the chances at the next election. If they think it won't be too damaging they will keep him. Never mind what is right. What a rabble 1
SecretPro Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: What sticks in the throat is that Johnson should resign or be forced out as a matter ethics instead Tory MPs will just be thinking of the chances at the next election. If they think it won't be too damaging they will keep him. Never mind what is right. What a rabble Quite. Ethically he should have been gone many, many months ago. After all, knowingly misleading Parliament is a resignation offence. He's been proven to have done so many, many times and yet is still standing. That's not even taking into account all of the sleaze and parties. Morally Bancrupt doesn't cut it for this government and for some reason, the public either. If this had been Theresa May the electorate would be frothing at the mouth, likewise a Labour Government, or heaven forbid the (in comparison to Boris, utterly benign) Corbyn there probably would have been shots fired from a grassy knoll by now. Madness. Edited 12 January 2022 by SecretPro 2
Wymsey Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 If he doesn't stand down now, then he'll never will - and that's obviously a red-flag concern.
st albans fox Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 And yet a majority of Tory voters still think Boris should stay ! 1
Daggers Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 12 minutes ago, Wymsey said: If he doesn't stand down now, then he'll never will - and that's obviously a red-flag concern. But then it may be better if he stays
Popular Post Nick Posted 12 January 2022 Popular Post Posted 12 January 2022 1 hour ago, Corky said: Rees-Mogg, on LBC tonight, has called the leader of the Scottish Conservatives, Douglas Ross, insignificant after he claimed Johnson should resign. What an unbelievably out of touch, abhorrent individual JRM is. 5
Zear0 Posted 12 January 2022 Posted 12 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Nick said: What an unbelievably out of touch, abhorrent individual JRM is. I know it's been posted here before, but always worth re-posting. No idea what you mean, look at the young JRM, salt of the earth. 2
Daggers Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 1 hour ago, Zear0 said: I know it's been posted here before, but always worth re-posting. No idea what you mean, look at the young JRM, salt of the earth. Absolutely. It's clear that it is Nick who is out of touch with normal people, and certainly not JRM. I remember this one time I went drinking with Nick and he allowed me to drink so much I ended up in a ditch. I ask you, is that responsible? Does that demonstrate decency? I remain convinced that had I gone out drinking with JRM I'd have remained sober, bored, slightly vexed and definitely ditch-free. 2
st albans fox Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 8 hours ago, Daggers said: But then it may be better if he stays Well better for those that want a change of govt! The tories aren’t stupid and they will change leadership and head into the next GE with a ‘clean slate’ on whoever they select the difference now is that the opposition have someone leading them who would be a credible PM (especially so in the eyes of the msm and the centre ground swing voter)
Facecloth Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Well better for those that want a change of govt! The tories aren’t stupid and they will change leadership and head into the next GE with a ‘clean slate’ on whoever they select the difference now is that the opposition have someone leading them who would be a credible PM (especially so in the eyes of the msm and the centre ground swing voter) You say that about a new leader, clean slate etc, but how much of their backing him is going taint some of these Tories. It's all very well bringing in Sunak, or Hunt or God forbid Patel but surely people will be remembering when they were on TV backing his lies and were in the chamber cheering him. Johnson created a situation with someone like Cummings where he's let someone into his inner circle and then screwed them over and pissed them off. You know the saying about keeping friends close and enemies closer. He's got a bloke who knows all his dirty little secrets and he's crossed him. And that's what brought about thr current situation, and it's a complete lack of judgement. What he's also done is ensured the whole party is part of Team Boris. Weeding out the dissenting voices and making sure they all sang from the same hymn sheet. That's great when things are going well, but now, there are all tainted by association. There's no Ken Clarke for example. Nobody speaking out against him. So it'll be a tough job picking someone out that rabble who isn't a Boris cheerleader. Edited 13 January 2022 by Facecloth 3
Strokes Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 12 hours ago, weller54 said: Do you want a list!!!.. Lets start with the £350m a WEEK the NHS were going to get! Where's that? https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget Well they’ve actually had it, although it was probably only because of covid.
Strokes Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 2 minutes ago, Facecloth said: You say that about a new leader, clean slate etc, but how much of their backing him is going taint some of these Tories. It's all very well bringing in Sunak, or Hunt or God forbid Patel but surely people will be remembering when they were on TV backing his lies and were in the chamber cheering him. Johnson created a situation with someone like Cummings where he's let someone into his inner circle and then screwed them over and pissed them off. You know the saying about keeping friends close and enemies closer. He's got a bloke who knows all his dirty little secrets and he's crossed him. And that's what brought about thr current situation, and it's a complete lack of judgement. What he's also done is ensured the whole party is part of Team Boris. Weeding out the dissenting voices and making sure they all sang from the same hymn sheet. That's great when things are going well, but now, there are all tainted by association. There's no Ken Clarke for example. Nobody speaking out against him. So it'll be a tough job picking someone out that rabble who isn't a Boris cheerleader. It’ll be a tough Job but Starmer has managed to separate himself from the Corbyn anti Semitic, ultra left. The hard part will be regaining the centre ground, this could have been made more difficult if the Labour Party had given some policy ideas and direction but if Johnson goes now. With 2 years to go, I think anyone competent would be able to turn it around. Starmer’s best chance is to keep Johnson where he is for as long as possible.
st albans fox Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 20 minutes ago, Facecloth said: You say that about a new leader, clean slate etc, but how much of their backing him is going taint some of these Tories. It's all very well bringing in Sunak, or Hunt or God forbid Patel but surely people will be remembering when they were on TV backing his lies and were in the chamber cheering him. Johnson created a situation with someone like Cummings where he's let someone into his inner circle and then screwed them over and pissed them off. You know the saying about keeping friends close and enemies closer. He's got a bloke who knows all his dirty little secrets and he's crossed him. And that's what brought about thr current situation, and it's a complete lack of judgement. What he's also done is ensured the whole party is part of Team Boris. Weeding out the dissenting voices and making sure they all sang from the same hymn sheet. That's great when things are going well, but now, there are all tainted by association. There's no Ken Clarke for example. Nobody speaking out against him. So it'll be a tough job picking someone out that rabble who isn't a Boris cheerleader. whoever will get the gig will somehow manage to distance themselves from boris …… it’s how they work! 11 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’ll be a tough Job but Starmer has managed to separate himself from the Corbyn anti Semitic, ultra left. The hard part will be regaining the centre ground, this could have been made more difficult if the Labour Party had given some policy ideas and direction but if Johnson goes now. With 2 years to go, I think anyone competent would be able to turn it around. Starmer’s best chance is to keep Johnson where he is for as long as possible. Whilst there is a obvious risk having a new Tory leader with an 18 month run up post covid, starmer not attempting to force the change through will play badly for him when the election comes around. The tories will also not keep boris in the job as a dead man walking …… 1
Facecloth Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 25 minutes ago, Strokes said: It’ll be a tough Job but Starmer has managed to separate himself from the Corbyn anti Semitic, ultra left. The hard part will be regaining the centre ground, this could have been made more difficult if the Labour Party had given some policy ideas and direction but if Johnson goes now. With 2 years to go, I think anyone competent would be able to turn it around. Starmer’s best chance is to keep Johnson where he is for as long as possible. It's taken Starmer 2 years and there's still some that won't have it. That's without being in government, and all the challenges that brings. So it won't be easy at all. And Johnson is that bad it's going to be even more difficult to shake association with him. But I agree Johnson staying is great for Labour, just not so great for the country. I generally vote Labour, but I'm not far left by any stretch. I was a fan of Blair, so if someone comes in, Tory or Labour and does a good job I'll be happy. I would prefer a Labour government, but I'll happily have a competent Tory one for the next decade over anymore of this shambles. 4
Strokes Posted 13 January 2022 Posted 13 January 2022 4 minutes ago, Facecloth said: It's taken Starmer 2 years and there's still some that won't have it. That's without being in government, and all the challenges that brings. So it won't be easy at all. And Johnson is that bad it's going to be even more difficult to shake association with him. But I agree Johnson staying is great for Labour, just not so great for the country. I generally vote Labour, but I'm not far left by any stretch. I was a fan of Blair, so if someone comes in, Tory or Labour and does a good job I'll be happy. I would prefer a Labour government, but I'll happily have a competent Tory one for the next decade over anymore of this shambles. Totally agree. I’ll vote for anything that doesn’t contain Boris at the moment. 2
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