The Year Of The Fox Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 7 hours ago, foxfanazer said: Bloody hell I've got loads of washing to hang out to dry Are they Rodgers’ players?
FoxyLeon Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 13 hours ago, adam95581 said: In hindsight, I think we were guilty of not proactively monitoring players of the right profile. Fofana was injured right before the season had started and after we had done our main transfer business which meant we had to dip back in. Not having your first choice CB pairing for the majority of the season is a bit of a crisis. As for having a £15m defender on the bench, Vestegaard wasn’t bought through choice but rather through necessity. We would have been better off buying a younger player in the mould of Fofana / Soyuncu (eg. Mobile, athletic) as he just doesn’t fit our style at all. That's not true at all. £15 million can buy you the majority of centre halves in World football, so to say it wasn't through choice is just wrong. Why can't people admit it was a terrible buy from Rodgers? He could have even paid £15 million for a defensive mid, and pushed Ndidi back there, he had many different options, but like he has shown at Liverpool, Celtic and now here, he's incapable of recruiting well. 4
filbertway Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 22 minutes ago, FoxyLeon said: That's not true at all. £15 million can buy you the majority of centre halves in World football, so to say it wasn't through choice is just wrong. Why can't people admit it was a terrible buy from Rodgers? He could have even paid £15 million for a defensive mid, and pushed Ndidi back there, he had many different options, but like he has shown at Liverpool, Celtic and now here, he's incapable of recruiting well. It was shocking and actually unnecessary considering he barely played anyway. Everyone going "we had to sign someone" are proper gumps. Ben Nelson could have come in and done just as well if not better than Vesty and it would have cost nothing Rodgers is amazing at developing youtha apparently, yet barely used an academy player during the worst injury crisis a premier league team has ever seen (according to foxestalk) 1 2
FoxyLeon Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 Just now, filbertway said: It was shocking and actually unnecessary considering he barely played anyway. Everyone going "we had to sign someone" are proper gumps. Ben Nelson could have come in and done just as well if not better than Vesty and it would have cost nothing Rodgers is amazing at developing youtha apparently, yet barely used an academy player during the worst injury crisis a premier league team has ever seen (according to foxestalk) Exactly. He should have used the £15 million on the targets we obviously had before Fofana got injured. He's just so short sighted, Klopp wouldn't have done that for three reasons..... 1. He's a complete contrast to the player who got injured. 2. He doesn't fit the style you want to play. 3. He's not going to actually progress and potentially be a regular, he's just going to be deadwood. We should have bought Brennan Johnson or a forward he wanted, instead we've now still got to buy both a centre half and a right winger anyway, and we're £15 million + wages + a squad place down. 3
volpeazzurro Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 10 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: It's in the article: He signed to be a #2 pushing for #1. Shakespeare lied to him. He tried to get out under Puel, but the club refused. The last two one-year deals were heavily influenced by Covid. Didn't have to sign those one year deals though did he could have taken his chances. Oops sorry, he opted for security from a generous club. 1
volpeazzurro Posted 24 June 2022 Posted 24 June 2022 1 hour ago, FoxyLeon said: Exactly. He should have used the £15 million on the targets we obviously had before Fofana got injured. He's just so short sighted, Klopp wouldn't have done that for three reasons..... 1. He's a complete contrast to the player who got injured. 2. He doesn't fit the style you want to play. 3. He's not going to actually progress and potentially be a regular, he's just going to be deadwood. We should have bought Brennan Johnson or a forward he wanted, instead we've now still got to buy both a centre half and a right winger anyway, and we're £15 million + wages + a squad place down. All hail 'Brendan the Shortsighted' 🤣🤣
Guy Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 11 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: It's in the article: He signed to be a #2 pushing for #1. Shakespeare lied to him. He tried to get out under Puel, but the club refused. The last two one-year deals were heavily influenced by Covid. I only read the part provided on here by yourself so didn't know the fully fledged reason for his signing (to supposedly be Schmeichel's understudy with the vague hope of superseding him one day at best maybe).....but whatever the case no surely no goalkeeper stays for the best part of 5 years at a club in the way he did, regardless of the mixture of reasons for doing so, Covid and dubious accusations levelled at management included! I also agree that the club were over generous towards him given the net contribution he made here in all that time!
Guy Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: It's in the article: He signed to be a #2 pushing for #1. Shakespeare lied to him. He tried to get out under Puel, but the club refused. The last two one-year deals were heavily influenced by Covid. Duplicate post :-( Edited 25 June 2022 by Guy
CosbehFox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 6 hours ago, Guy said: I only read the part provided on here by yourself so didn't know the fully fledged reason for his signing (to supposedly be Schmeichel's understudy with the vague hope of superseding him one day at best maybe).....but whatever the case no surely no goalkeeper stays for the best part of 5 years at a club in the way he did, regardless of the mixture of reasons for doing so, Covid and dubious accusations levelled at management included! I also agree that the club were over generous towards him given the net contribution he made here in all that time! There are countless examples of back up goalkeepers have long periods at clubs without game time. It’s the nature of the job. Really bizarre criticism of the club. Just looking at released players for example this summer John Ruddy left Wolves after five years, 50 league games and 45 of those were in the Championship in his first season https://thesetpieces.com/latest-posts/investigating-unique-psychology-no-2-goalkeeper/ 1
adam95581 Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 10 hours ago, FoxyLeon said: That's not true at all. £15 million can buy you the majority of centre halves in World football, so to say it wasn't through choice is just wrong. Why can't people admit it was a terrible buy from Rodgers? He could have even paid £15 million for a defensive mid, and pushed Ndidi back there, he had many different options, but like he has shown at Liverpool, Celtic and now here, he's incapable of recruiting well. Well it is true. If Fofana doesn’t get injured at the end of pre-season then we 100% do not buy Vestegaard. As for it being a terrible buy, I have pretty much said that. We should have bought someone with a profile that is more aligned to our usual targets and certainly one that was a better fit with our style of play. It was a panic buy as we were not prepared and had to react to the Fofana injury.
Jobyfox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 I think whether you’re pro or anti Rodgers - or even somewhere in between - you can’t say that Vestergaard was anything other than a dreadful signing. You can’t apply any logic to it being worthwhile as we’d have been better off not signing anyone. For me it goes down as one of our worst ever signings and I don’t think that’s over stating it. Whether it was down to Rodgers or somebody else in the recruitment team I don’t know, but collective responsibility should be taken for it and we move on. Not quickly, however, as we even managed to give him a 3 year contract. We will have to wait and see whether we perform better in this year’s window. I’ve always favoured signing fewer players who genuinely improve the first team. Signing squad players is rarely a good strategy unless they are young with a high potential for development. But there are exceptions to any rule
Dan Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 The Fofana injury is what made us do it but he's so different a defender to Fofana it's unreal. You couldn't find two more different centre halves in the league. It was a terrible fit. As was Ryan Bennett. 1
Guest nathan. Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 5 hours ago, Jobyfox said: I think whether you’re pro or anti Rodgers - or even somewhere in between - you can’t say that Vestergaard was anything other than a dreadful signing. You can’t apply any logic to it being worthwhile as we’d have been better off not signing anyone. For me it goes down as one of our worst ever signings and I don’t think that’s over stating it. Whether it was down to Rodgers or somebody else in the recruitment team I don’t know, but collective responsibility should be taken for it and we move on. Not quickly, however, as we even managed to give him a 3 year contract. We will have to wait and see whether we perform better in this year’s window. I’ve always favoured signing fewer players who genuinely improve the first team. Signing squad players is rarely a good strategy unless they are young with a high potential for development. But there are exceptions to any rule Is his defense he was good for Denmark during the Euros
Jobyfox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, nathan. said: Is his defense he was good for Denmark during the Euros Yes it’s easy to look in retrospect and say it was a very poor signing, but that’s what the recruitment team are accountable for and we learn our lessons for next time. We move on The fact that he is an experienced international and regular PL player actually makes the signing less defensible to me. Some have argued that he was a last ditch signing to cover injury, but that is completely the wrong profile of player for that sort of signing. Somebody young with potential or a loan makes much more sense. The counter is that he was signed to push for 1st choice, which was never likely with everyone fit. Edited 25 June 2022 by Jobyfox
filbertway Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 1 hour ago, Dan LCFC said: The Fofana injury is what made us do it but he's so different a defender to Fofana it's unreal. You couldn't find two more different centre halves in the league. It was a terrible fit. As was Ryan Bennett. Why would you sign any defender on a 3 year contract whos coming in to cover a leg break though? Loan or youth system and take the hit surely? Not many clubs have an "injury crisis" where they still name an XI full of international players 1
Dan Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 2 hours ago, filbertway said: Why would you sign any defender on a 3 year contract whos coming in to cover a leg break though? Loan or youth system and take the hit surely? Not many clubs have an "injury crisis" where they still name an XI full of international players That is also true. I don't think we'd have been any weaker in defence for the lack of signing him given he was virtually cast aside within months anyway, and we'd have a bit more wiggle room this month. Just a really brainless signing. But we were warned of things like this.
Jobyfox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 2 hours ago, filbertway said: Why would you sign any defender on a 3 year contract whos coming in to cover a leg break though? Loan or youth system and take the hit surely? Not many clubs have an "injury crisis" where they still name an XI full of international players I think you’ve hit the nail there on why it was such a poor piece of business. He’s one of our worst ever signings, not because he’s our most expensive or worst player, but simply because the signing makes no sense no matter how you try and rationalise it
fox_up_north Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 Could it have really hurt to give Nelson the games?
Webbo Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 12 minutes ago, fox_up_north said: Could it have really hurt to give Nelson the games? It could have done yes, but we'll never know.
coolhandfox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 17 minutes ago, fox_up_north said: Could it have really hurt to give Nelson the games? What games?
foxes_rule1978 Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 (edited) No doubt I was on edge with Rodgers last season; you read stuff on here and get more negative towards him. Need to take a step back and see the achievements and you can’t deny they are on the upper end of the scale. FA Cup win and consistent top 10 finishes. With the last three being 5,5,8 but like southgate you have to question the football and decisions at times. I believe Rodgers to be much better than Southgate though, even with some of our European results, why; Rodgers wins trophies and gets you over the line and despite his interviews I feel does learn from his mistakes. I might be contradicting myself here, but then I look at the squad and feel he has been lucky again like Southgate. So next season just with the World Cup both will get a chance to truly believe they can take their respective teams to the next level Edited 25 June 2022 by foxes_rule1978
Dave Fishwick Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 I can't remember any dissenting voices on Vestergaard at the time. He'd just been part of a Denmark side that had reached the Euros semi. It hasn't worked out but lets not try and re-write the narrative here check out the first couple of pages 2
lfu Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 4 hours ago, nathan. said: Is his defense he was good for Denmark during the Euros Not like we've been burned before by signing someone who put on a good showing in the Euros 🥬
cropstonfox Posted 25 June 2022 Posted 25 June 2022 1 hour ago, lfu said: Not like we've been burned before by signing someone who put on a good showing in the Euros 🥬 Agree euros is not a good benchmark for premier league players. Most teams are championship level at best.
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