How many back at the kp?

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

My guess is that the club is looking into the best way to handle it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a mask mandate, or even provided masks at the seat, at least for the first couple games. I will be wearing a mask at games, at least until the numbers go down (I am double-vaxxed, and not super worried, but I also think it is a courtesy for those around me, who have no idea what my vaccination status is.)

 

It will be interesting to see what happens when the pandemic is over, since I think the authorities won't want a bunch of masked people at matches.

Edited 6 July 2021 by MarriedaLeicesterGirl
Not

[Munshi]

32,000. 3000 Wolves fans. 3-0 win and the KP bouncing hopefully. 

[Hoopla10]

How do you delete a post?

Edited 6 July 2021 by Hoopla10

[Hoopla10]

9 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

masks also has some benefit to the wearer as well, you are correct that you can’t personally require others to do it, but just because someone isn’t wearing a mask doesn’t mean they haven’t taken personal responsibility they might just feel that a mask is not necessary   
 

 

85% of adults have had 1 jab, 67% have had 2 jabs,

by middle of September every over 18 will have had the opportunity to have had both by then, the vaccines are working although cases are still at last December’s number times far less people are being admitted to hospital, 36 in every 100,000 was being admitted in December now it’s 2 in every 100,000 

So by mid-September you're projecting most over 18s will have been given the opportunity for the second jab. Isn't that kind of my point? We're not opening up in mid-September but later this month. So it's not now or never. It doesn't even make sense in Boris's own logic of saying it'll be worse to do it later in the year when it gets colder and we're spending more time indoors.

 

Looking at hospital admissions is a distraction that the Government likes to use. It doesn't take into account long-covid (something that will have long term impact on the NHS and people's ability to work) and it also doesn't address they're gambling on this surge in infection rates doesn't result in a new variant. When they ONLY point at hospital admissions they're purposefully wanting to distract us from the fact we can have 100,000s of new COVID case among the populace. So a higher chance of variant and more long-COVID. And of course admissions are still rising (nowhere near as fast but still rising) that is still a pressure on an NHS that's reeling from the last 18 months, decades of defunding by the government (because even in 2019 it was at breaking point with patience on beds in corridors), and wanting to get back to those non-COVID patience that have been neglected over the last 18 months.  

 

Nobody is saying we should go back to a full lockdown. But this idea we're going to basically open the doors and let everybody do whatever is honestly negligent by the government (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody as that's been their MO since the start). They've just put Sajid Javid in charge of the NHS FFS, no way somebody is telling me that's all by coincidence. 

[Dan]

23 hours ago, Chiltern Fox said:

Do you reckon they will ID check at wolves game? I.e. ID to match ST.

Things like this, covid passports etc... all collapse when you remember that we end up with half our crowd missing the first 10 minutes at league cup games because of ticket problems.

[jammie82uk]

6 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

So by mid-September you're projecting most over 18s will have been given the opportunity for the second jab. Isn't that kind of my point? We're not opening up in mid-September but later this month. So it's not now or never. It doesn't even make sense in Boris's own logic of saying it'll be worse to do it later in the year when it gets colder and we're spending more time indoors.

 

Looking at hospital admissions is a distraction that the Government likes to use. It doesn't take into account long-covid (something that will have long term impact on the NHS and people's ability to work) and it also doesn't address they're gambling on this surge in infection rates doesn't result in a new variant. When they ONLY point at hospital admissions they're purposefully wanting to distract us from the fact we can have 100,000s of new COVID case among the populace. So a higher chance of variant and more long-COVID. And of course admissions are still rising (nowhere near as fast but still rising) that is still a pressure on an NHS that's reeling from the last 18 months, decades of defunding by the government (because even in 2019 it was at breaking point with patience on beds in corridors), and wanting to get back to those non-COVID patience that have been neglected over the last 18 months.  

 

Nobody is saying we should go back to a full lockdown. But this idea we're going to basically open the doors and let everybody do whatever is honestly negligent by the government (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody as that's been their MO since the start). They've just put Sajid Javid in charge of the NHS FFS, no way somebody is telling me that's all by coincidence. 

So what are you actually proposing then? Open back up in September? Stay as we currently are forever? 

[NZ_Foxile]

Just now, jammie82uk said:

So what are you actually proposing then? Open back up in September? Stay as we currently are forever? 

Open things up, but at least leave some precautions in place, such as mask-wearing in shops and on public transport, thats not too much of a burden on people, will cut down on transmission, and make vulnerable people feel a bit safer. Crazy to throw all precautions out of the window in one go while cases are rising.

[los dedos]

52 minutes ago, Hoopla10 said:

So by mid-September you're projecting most over 18s will have been given the opportunity for the second jab. Isn't that kind of my point? We're not opening up in mid-September but later this month. So it's not now or never. It doesn't even make sense in Boris's own logic of saying it'll be worse to do it later in the year when it gets colder and we're spending more time indoors.

 

Looking at hospital admissions is a distraction that the Government likes to use. It doesn't take into account long-covid (something that will have long term impact on the NHS and people's ability to work) and it also doesn't address they're gambling on this surge in infection rates doesn't result in a new variant. When they ONLY point at hospital admissions they're purposefully wanting to distract us from the fact we can have 100,000s of new COVID case among the populace. So a higher chance of variant and more long-COVID. And of course admissions are still rising (nowhere near as fast but still rising) that is still a pressure on an NHS that's reeling from the last 18 months, decades of defunding by the government (because even in 2019 it was at breaking point with patience on beds in corridors), and wanting to get back to those non-COVID patience that have been neglected over the last 18 months.  

 

Nobody is saying we should go back to a full lockdown. But this idea we're going to basically open the doors and let everybody do whatever is honestly negligent by the government (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody as that's been their MO since the start). They've just put Sajid Javid in charge of the NHS FFS, no way somebody is telling me that's all by coincidence. 

"VaRiAnTs"   "LoNg CoViD"

[promised land]

10 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

My guess is that the club is looking into the best way to handle it. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a mask mandate, or even provided masks at the seat, at least for the first couple games. I will be wearing a mask at games, at least until the numbers go down (I am double-vaxxed, and super worried, but I also think it is a courtesy for those around me, who have no idea what my vaccination status is.)

 

It will be interesting to see what happens when the pandemic is over, since I think the authorities won't want a bunch of masked people at matches.

Can you direct me to the data that says wearing cloth masks has dramatically reduced the spread of Covid. 

 

I’m sure the ‘you must wear a mask’ came about because at the start they petrified the old folk into staying indoors or leaping into roads when near anyone, hence pop a mask on Doris you’ll be ok and safe from the nasty virus.

 

Now a lot of the population just do as they’re told without questioning why, if masks were that good at stopping it why are cases rising again? You got any data for that as well?

 

I’ve been double jabbed and just go about my life as normal now, I don’t carry sanitizer in my pocket and don’t mask up, I’d like to see them telling everyone to wear one like you say when all these Euro games have been on like tonight with 60k there chanting, singing and mask free.

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

1 hour ago, promised land said:

Can you direct me to the data that says wearing cloth masks has dramatically reduced the spread of Covid. 

 

I’m sure the ‘you must wear a mask’ came about because at the start they petrified the old folk into staying indoors or leaping into roads when near anyone, hence pop a mask on Doris you’ll be ok and safe from the nasty virus.

 

Now a lot of the population just do as they’re told without questioning why, if masks were that good at stopping it why are cases rising again? You got any data for that as well?

 

I’ve been double jabbed and just go about my life as normal now, I don’t carry sanitizer in my pocket and don’t mask up, I’d like to see them telling everyone to wear one like you say when all these Euro games have been on like tonight with 60k there chanting, singing and mask free.

Sorry, left out a "not" ... meant "not super worried." I wouldn't go to the matches if I were even "kinda worried."

 

As for data, I am sure a quick Google search could give me several articles showing that masks are very effective...and several that say they are useless.

 

I'm not a doctor or scientist, so don't really think I'll figure out thee pidemiological data. I wear them for the people around me that do care. At the same time, I have no problems with those who don't wear them. I just want to support my team in the stadium.

 

Now to add a "not" to my original post.

[Reginaldo]

Clappers will fan covid particles round the stadium. Definitely needs banning.

[SemperEadem]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9761555/Premier-League-pushing-ahead-plans-Covid-certification-scheme-supporters.html

[UHDrive]

On 06/07/2021 at 18:31, Hoopla10 said:

So by mid-September you're projecting most over 18s will have been given the opportunity for the second jab. Isn't that kind of my point? We're not opening up in mid-September but later this month. So it's not now or never. It doesn't even make sense in Boris's own logic of saying it'll be worse to do it later in the year when it gets colder and we're spending more time indoors.

 

Looking at hospital admissions is a distraction that the Government likes to use. It doesn't take into account long-covid (something that will have long term impact on the NHS and people's ability to work) and it also doesn't address they're gambling on this surge in infection rates doesn't result in a new variant. When they ONLY point at hospital admissions they're purposefully wanting to distract us from the fact we can have 100,000s of new COVID case among the populace. So a higher chance of variant and more long-COVID. And of course admissions are still rising (nowhere near as fast but still rising) that is still a pressure on an NHS that's reeling from the last 18 months, decades of defunding by the government (because even in 2019 it was at breaking point with patience on beds in corridors), and wanting to get back to those non-COVID patience that have been neglected over the last 18 months.  

 

Nobody is saying we should go back to a full lockdown. But this idea we're going to basically open the doors and let everybody do whatever is honestly negligent by the government (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody as that's been their MO since the start). They've just put Sajid Javid in charge of the NHS FFS, no way somebody is telling me that's all by coincidence. 

So where do you draw the line? 

 

There is an immense amount of critism on this issue but also support at the same time too. We are at risk of pandering to this virus and being forced to react to it evertime there becomes a new varient. At the minute there are no indications that double jabbed people cannot physically cope with Covid once they are protected with the current batch of vaccines.

 

I believe the government scientists and government itself have processes that are correct and that double jabbed adults and the young should be able to live without restrictions. 

 

Above all else I beleive that covid now needs to be put into a classification of influenza type viruses and to be dealt with via boosters and top ups as and when necessary. Double jabbed people should be allowed to fill out stadiums and live life without the constant fear of this virus and the panic surrounding it with media hype and day to day relentless statistics of death. Most deaths occur in hospital with the elderly or in hospices and this doesn't get acknowledged enough. All we can do is manage this. To constantly react is a negative and damaging way forward.

 

 

[Livid]

I'm all for getting back to normal but the current rates of infections are scary.

 

I get that less people aren't getting seriously ill from it and needing hospitalisation at the moment but this is highly contagious, more so than flu. The vaccine won't stop me getting it, it won't stop me getting ill to some degree, it won't stop me passing it on to my friends, work colleagues or elderly relatives, if I can possibly avoid it I would rather not.

 

i feel more comfortable sitting outside at the Football and Rugby than standing at an indoor gig with 2000 to 3000 others in a nice compact space.

 

If the infection rates were at a reasonable level I would feel more relaxed.

 

Going to wait and see.

 

 

[norwichfox]

15 minutes ago, Livid said:

I'm all for getting back to normal but the current rates of infections are scary.

 

I get that less people aren't getting seriously ill from it and needing hospitalisation at the moment but this is highly contagious, more so than flu. The vaccine won't stop me getting it, it won't stop me getting ill to some degree, it won't stop me passing it on to my friends, work colleagues or elderly relatives, if I can possibly avoid it I would rather not.

 

i feel more comfortable sitting outside at the Football and Rugby than standing at an indoor gig with 2000 to 3000 others in a nice compact space.

 

If the infection rates were at a reasonable level I would feel more relaxed.

 

Going to wait and see.

 

 

I see it the same way too...on the back of my being in what was originally called a highly vulnerable group due to age and heart condition.

[Hoopla10]

6 hours ago, UHDrive said:

So where do you draw the line? 

 

There is an immense amount of critism on this issue but also support at the same time too. We are at risk of pandering to this virus and being forced to react to it evertime there becomes a new varient. At the minute there are no indications that double jabbed people cannot physically cope with Covid once they are protected with the current batch of vaccines.

 

I believe the government scientists and government itself have processes that are correct and that double jabbed adults and the young should be able to live without restrictions. 

 

Above all else I beleive that covid now needs to be put into a classification of influenza type viruses and to be dealt with via boosters and top ups as and when necessary. Double jabbed people should be allowed to fill out stadiums and live life without the constant fear of this virus and the panic surrounding it with media hype and day to day relentless statistics of death. Most deaths occur in hospital with the elderly or in hospices and this doesn't get acknowledged enough. All we can do is manage this. To constantly react is a negative and damaging way forward.

 

 

Sure, I agree with this. When asked where do you draw the line or what should we do it seems pretty simple. You keep simple precautions (ie mask wearing on public transport). You slow the roll out until +85% (or 90%) of adults are double vaccinated (that definitely includes inside stadiums). They (finally) do something about schools/universities for when they go back. I don't think sensibly managing a problem as being negative at all tbh. Reacting is suddenly opening up and frankly how the government has acted through out this entire pandemic. It strikes me they've only reacted. We could have managed it back in January 2020, but they let it flood the country before reacting. They could have managed a proper boarder policy but left it too late and then only reacted once the Delta Variant was in the country. October 2020 when cases were climbing and Universities students were allowed back they could have managed it but left it until late November for a "short" lockdown that didn't bring it back into a manageable control, but they opened up again then forced to react in January with another lockdown. It's a sick joke. 

 

I also didn't focus on deaths (my point is that's not what we should be looking at when managing this). Lastly I get that some might want to ignore it but long-covid is a real thing. What support is the government putting in place for people (and their employers) if they're forced out of work for what could be anything from 12 weeks to the rest of their lives? What are they doing to fund the NHS for that increase in patient rates? The idea of releasing all restrictions will sky rocket infection rates (as we're seeing) and that will result in a rise in long-covid cases. And because like most illnesses they're things that people manage and suffer from in the background without the headline of deaths this will be pushed out of view. Out of sight, our of mind as they say, except for those who'll be suffering from it.    

Edited 8 July 2021 by Hoopla10

[NasPb]

3 hours ago, Livid said:

I'm all for getting back to normal but the current rates of infections are scary.

 

I get that less people aren't getting seriously ill from it and needing hospitalisation at the moment but this is highly contagious, more so than flu. The vaccine won't stop me getting it, it won't stop me getting ill to some degree, it won't stop me passing it on to my friends, work colleagues or elderly relatives, if I can possibly avoid it I would rather not.

 

i feel more comfortable sitting outside at the Football and Rugby than standing at an indoor gig with 2000 to 3000 others in a nice compact space.

 

If the infection rates were at a reasonable level I would feel more relaxed.

 

Going to wait and see.

 

 

I get you. It's completely understandable. My guard is still very much up. 

[Chrysalis]

Probably full or close to full capacity with no away fans.

[sacreblueits442]

7 hours ago, UHDrive said:

So where do you draw the line? 

 

There is an immense amount of critism on this issue but also support at the same time too. We are at risk of pandering to this virus and being forced to react to it evertime there becomes a new varient. At the minute there are no indications that double jabbed people cannot physically cope with Covid once they are protected with the current batch of vaccines.

 

I believe the government scientists and government itself have processes that are correct and that double jabbed adults and the young should be able to live without restrictions. 

 

Above all else I beleive that covid now needs to be put into a classification of influenza type viruses and to be dealt with via boosters and top ups as and when necessary. Double jabbed people should be allowed to fill out stadiums and live life without the constant fear of this virus and the panic surrounding it with media hype and day to day relentless statistics of death. Most deaths occur in hospital with the elderly or in hospices and this doesn't get acknowledged enough. All we can do is manage this. To constantly react is a negative and damaging way forward.

 

 

...the government are actually going against the scientists as Boris  is coming more and more under pressure!!!

  Cummings claims, a Boris statement of a city piled high of bodies in the street, would be preferable, than going back into a second lockdown, seems very much Boris's view of the situation. 

 It is a big gamble that he is taking and it is playing with fire and a lot of lives.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Hoopla10 said:

Sure, I agree with this. When asked where do you draw the line or what should we do it seems pretty simple. You keep simple precautions (ie mask wearing on public transport). You slow the roll out until +85% (or 90%) of adults are double vaccinated (that definitely includes inside stadiums). They (finally) do something about schools/universities for when they go back. I don't think sensibly managing a problem as being negative at all tbh. Reacting is suddenly opening up and frankly how the government has acted through out this entire pandemic. It strikes me they've only reacted. We could have managed it back in January 2020, but they let it flood the country before reacting. They could have managed a proper boarder policy but left it too late and then only reacted once the Delta Variant was in the country. October 2020 when cases were climbing and Universities students were allowed back they could have managed it but left it until late November for a "short" lockdown that didn't bring it back into a manageable control, but they opened up again then forced to react in January with another lockdown. It's a sick joke. 

 

I also didn't focus on deaths (my point is that's not what we should be looking at when managing this). Lastly I get that some might want to ignore it but long-covid is a real thing. What support is the government putting in place for people (and their employers) if they're forced out of work for what could be anything from 12 weeks to the rest of their lives? What are they doing to fund the NHS for that increase in patient rates? The idea of releasing all restrictions will sky rocket infection rates (as we're seeing) and that will result in a rise in long-covid cases. And because like most illnesses they're things that people manage and suffer from in the background without the headline of deaths this will be pushed out of view. Out of sight, our of mind as they say, except for those who'll be suffering from it.    

...last year in the first lockdown, people were being interviewed coming back into the country, stating the difficulty they had, in respect of the various checks which were taking place (for which they had to undertake) in other countries, only for them to reach the UK and walk through customs without any test or hint of detention!!!

  To this day I  do not think they have taken this important element in prevention seriously!!!

[UHDrive]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...the government are actually going against the scientists as Boris  is coming more and more under pressure!!!

  Cummings claims, a Boris statement of a city piled high of bodies in the street, would be preferable, than going back into a second lockdown, seems very much Boris's view of the situation. 

 It is a big gamble that he is taking and it is playing with fire and a lot of lives.

I saw an article on CNN this morning (anti uk pr*cks. It was on about a signed letter to the PM about 4200 'scientist' signatures etc. In actual fact it was quite the opposite and most of them were healthcare workers and nurses. 

Boris is going hand in hand with the government scientists on this and its the wider sage/medical world that are opposed to it. 

That's where I beleive a line needs drawings and in anycase the death to new case ratio has flipped on it's head so you can try to 'manage' it all you want to but even then you'd probably get even more flack at the government for 'managing' it this way that way and the other.

[sacreblueits442]

43 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

I saw an article on CNN this morning (anti uk pr*cks. It was on about a signed letter to the PM about 4200 'scientist' signatures etc. In actual fact it was quite the opposite and most of them were healthcare workers and nurses. 

Boris is going hand in hand with the government scientists on this and its the wider sage/medical world that are opposed to it. 

That's where I beleive a line needs drawings and in anycase the death to new case ratio has flipped on it's head so you can try to 'manage' it all you want to but even then you'd probably get even more flack at the government for 'managing' it this way that way and the other.

....Sage is the body of advisors that the Government have been following since this pandemic outbreak....!!!

Strange that they would choose to ignore them, now it seems convenient to do so.

[TrentFox]

5. It’s always five at the back, at the KP. Where have you been, man? 🤷

[Guest Lcfc82]

Should be full capacity with away fans