AKCJ Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Have you read the transfer forum? Correa, Brekalo and Bailey..... Correa the striker, Brekalo links came over the weekend and Bailey that has all but signed for Villa. I assumed you meant other players
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 Just now, AKCJ said: Correa the striker, Brekalo links came over the weekend and Bailey that has all but signed for Villa. I assumed you meant other players Bailey has not all but signed for villa. Correa is a second striker / left winger. It's literally Tuesday and Brekalo was linked on Sunday.
coolhandfox Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 People on here seem to have unrealistic expectations of how transfer negotiations go. We don't have a bottomless pit of money, and attempting to get the right players in at the right price. If that means going to the wire so be it. 2
AKCJ Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 2 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Bailey has not all but signed for villa. Correa is a second striker / left winger. It's literally Tuesday and Brekalo was linked on Sunday. Ok mate.
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Honestly think it will just be a loan, with Rodgers having a £30m player he already bought for that position and Ricardo who he admitted last season he wanted to play there, I just can't see us pumping more money on a player. We could end up going 433 in quite a few games as well, which I could then see him using Maddison, Daka, Iheanacho out there (despite being a bad idea). I don't think because we bought Perez that we won't be interested in paying for another right winger. Rodgers knows Ayo has flopped and he's not a samaritan, he wants to be successful. We were on the verge of paying £24m for Ünder but Rudkin played a blinder in changing it from an obligation to an option. Likewise Rodgers only said he'd considered Ricardo for on the wing due to our lack of options there and us having Justin, Castagne and Thomas available at full back (that quickly changed). To go 4-3-3 with Soumare, Ndidi and Tielemans means even more than ever we need a quality right winger otherwise it's one less attack minded player being utilised which we saw hamper us when we had to change formations last season. We need to prioritise solving the right wing issue at some point, hopefully this summer and that we can maintain our fight in the top 6.
foxfanazer Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 It's undeniably a problem area for us but maybe it is just beyond us financially at present. We'll maybe address it next season with any money we receive from selling somebody like Tielemans. Feel like we could really do something special again if we did get a quality winger in this season though
NaijaFox Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Blanchflower78 said: Won't be Bailey, in talks now with Villa it seems Bailey is injured anyway, and having just taken part in the CONCACAF Gold Cup would probably be unavailable for the start of the season. Edited 27 July 2021 by NaijaFox
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 2 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: It's undeniably a problem area for us but maybe it is just beyond us financially at present. We'll maybe address it next season with any money we receive from selling somebody like Tielemans. Feel like we could really do something special again if we did get a quality winger in this season though The annoying thing is, it was absolutely the priority this summer. We didn't need Soumare and we needed a RW before a striker. I'm very pleased we got Soumare and most certainly Daka but from an XI point of view its the one position we so badly needed a much better player in and as of yet we haven't got it. We will sign another right winger, like we did last summer and like we appeared to do the summer before with Perez. The issue is getting the right player, not easy but quite frustrating given our capabilities at recruitment. The positives are that if Barnes stays fit next season we likely have a winger who will score and assists sub 20 goals which is rare and with Maddison capable of scoring and assisting decent numbers, any right winger bringing goals and assists is what will be the difference in improvement year on year. Even a right winger who could score half a dozen and assists a similar amount would be a huge improvement on last season. I wouldn't want us thinking " oh well, we don't need this winger to be that good " but there's a view that because wingers that score and assists in double figures are rare that we therefore probably can't find one and so we shouldn't prioritise it. Get this missing piece and I'm confident we can fight off the inevitable surge from the big 6 and the likes of Villa, Leeds etc. 3 1
Adster Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: Correa the striker, Brekalo links came over the weekend and Bailey that has all but signed for Villa. I assumed you meant other players It must be sad to believe only absolutely everything you read on the internet. Surely you know by now how the club operates in regards to transfers? Do people really think that just because we "haven't" been "linked" in the media to wingers, none will arrive in the remaining 5 weeks of the transfer window?
LVFox Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 Surprised we haven't seen any links with Sima from Slavia Prague... 4
AKCJ Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 4 minutes ago, Adster said: It must be sad to believe only absolutely everything you read on the internet. Surely you know by now how the club operates in regards to transfers? Do people really think that just because we "haven't" been "linked" in the media to wingers, none will arrive in the remaining 5 weeks of the transfer window? That's not really what i'm saying mate. More that it'd be nice to have a name that we can all get excited by. There's two weeks until the seasons starts by the way. Don't think it's too daft to want the new lad in before then so he can start the season off properly.
NaijaFox Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: The annoying thing is, it was absolutely the priority this summer. We didn't need Soumare and we needed a RW before a striker. I'm very pleased we got Soumare and most certainly Daka but from an XI point of view its the one position we so badly needed a much better player in and as of yet we haven't got it. We will sign another right winger, like we did last summer and like we appeared to do the summer before with Perez. The issue is getting the right player, not easy but quite frustrating given our capabilities at recruitment. The positives are that if Barnes stays fit next season we likely have a winger who will score and assists sub 20 goals which is rare and with Maddison capable of scoring and assisting decent numbers, any right winger bringing goals and assists is what will be the difference in improvement year on year. Even a right winger who could score half a dozen and assists a similar amount would be a huge improvement on last season. I wouldn't want us thinking " oh well, we don't need this winger to be that good " but there's a view that because wingers that score and assists in double figures are rare that we therefore probably can't find one and so we shouldn't prioritise it. Get this missing piece and I'm confident we can fight off the inevitable surge from the big 6 and the likes of Villa, Leeds etc. It suggests to me that the RW player or players who are/were top of our list is/are not (or no longer) available or simply beyond our price valuation. It sucks for the moment, but I would rather we do it right (ie, get the right player at the right price) or not do it at all. 2
sacreblueits442 Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 4 hours ago, Pliskin said: It will end up being MP I think. Safe option, but I think the delay will be we will want a loan with an option to buy, and WBA will either want a transfer or a normal loan, as I think they want to keep him if they return to the PL. So there maybe work to do. ...I really hope the club do not view him in this way!!! It would be madness to have him available, and continuing to look elsewhere.
FoxinNotts Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 18 minutes ago, LVocey said: Surprised we haven't seen any links with Sima from Slavia Prague... Great shout. Would love this guy
Les-TA-Jon Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 37 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: The annoying thing is, it was absolutely the priority this summer. We didn't need Soumare and we needed a RW before a striker. I'm very pleased we got Soumare and most certainly Daka but from an XI point of view its the one position we so badly needed a much better player in and as of yet we haven't got it. We will sign another right winger, like we did last summer and like we appeared to do the summer before with Perez. The issue is getting the right player, not easy but quite frustrating given our capabilities at recruitment. The positives are that if Barnes stays fit next season we likely have a winger who will score and assists sub 20 goals which is rare and with Maddison capable of scoring and assisting decent numbers, any right winger bringing goals and assists is what will be the difference in improvement year on year. Even a right winger who could score half a dozen and assists a similar amount would be a huge improvement on last season. I wouldn't want us thinking " oh well, we don't need this winger to be that good " but there's a view that because wingers that score and assists in double figures are rare that we therefore probably can't find one and so we shouldn't prioritise it. Get this missing piece and I'm confident we can fight off the inevitable surge from the big 6 and the likes of Villa, Leeds etc. I generally agree with you on RW's, but I have to just provide a bit of challenge to this particular idea. The club don't/didn't know what was going to happen with Youri this summer. He could still refuse a contract and we might have to sell. It's better to sign Soumare early for £20m than replace Youri after the fact and be scrambling and overpaying. Plus Soumare is a welcome addition so we're not relying on limited players like Mendy/Hamza so much. Vardy is 35 soon and scored what, 2-3 goals in half a season? Nacho had a great burst of form, but it remains unclear if it was just a purple patch or not. And getting in a hot striker for £20m~ a year ahead of time lets him bed in without the full pressure of being our main man. It's great timing signing Daka this summer. 2
foxpleasure Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 2 hours ago, AKCJ said: Maddening that we're not even being tentatively linked to anyone at the moment. I'd love for just one journalist to give me a name to at least get me somewhat hopeful that we're going to sign a winger. Chin up Brendan I'm sure Rudders is on the case.
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 9 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: I generally agree with you on RW's, but I have to just provide a bit of challenge to this particular idea. The club don't/didn't know what was going to happen with Youri this summer. He could still refuse a contract and we might have to sell. It's better to sign Soumare early for £20m than replace Youri after the fact and be scrambling and overpaying. Plus Soumare is a welcome addition so we're not relying on limited players like Mendy/Hamza so much. Vardy is 35 soon and scored what, 2-3 goals in half a season? Nacho had a great burst of form, but it remains unclear if it was just a purple patch or not. And getting in a hot striker for £20m~ a year ahead of time lets him bed in without the full pressure of being our main man. It's great timing signing Daka this summer. Soumare isn't like Tielemans though, if we sell Youri then I'd expect us to sign a player of a similar skill set or strike lucky on KDH. Soumare is a different kind of midfielder to anything else we have and he will be a great asset, however in order to get the best out of him without sacrificing other key midfielders it seems to me that we'd need to play 4-3-3 which means we definitely need a right winger who is in the mould of Barnes is on the left either side of Vardy or Daka, or we go to a midfield diamond. He doesn't particularly fit in in a 4-2-3-1. 1
Les-TA-Jon Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 minute ago, Ric Flair said: Soumare isn't like Tielemans though, if we sell Youri then I'd expect us to sign a player of a similar skill set or strike lucky on KDH. Soumare is a different kind of midfielder to anything else we have and he will be a great asset, however in order to get the best out of him without sacrificing other key midfielders it seems to me that we'd need to play 4-3-3 which means we definitely need a right winger who is in the mould of Barnes is on the left either side of Vardy or Daka, or we go to a midfield diamond. He doesn't particularly fit in in a 4-2-3-1. OK but I'd have still put a Striker as more of a priority this window than a RW, is all. Going into this season with only a 35 year Vardy and unknown Nacho would have been bad.
sacreblueits442 Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 13 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: I generally agree with you on RW's, but I have to just provide a bit of challenge to this particular idea. The club don't/didn't know what was going to happen with Youri this summer. He could still refuse a contract and we might have to sell. It's better to sign Soumare early for £20m than replace Youri after the fact and be scrambling and overpaying. Plus Soumare is a welcome addition so we're not relying on limited players like Mendy/Hamza so much. Vardy is 35 soon and scored what, 2-3 goals in half a season? Nacho had a great burst of form, but it remains unclear if it was just a purple patch or not. And getting in a hot striker for £20m~ a year ahead of time lets him bed in without the full pressure of being our main man. It's great timing signing Daka this summer. ....Soumare came in I believe to reinforce our midfield!!! A lot of posters see him as the Youri stand in, I view him more as an Ndidi with better ball skills. We can be bullied by teams and with only playing a midfield two, we can be easily over run, having that third man in there makes us stronger. It also explains why he plays Perez so often, as someone who can help with the workload. It does not matter what we think, Rodger's has asked him to do a job and he is fulfilling the role asked of him.
EnderbyFox Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 Anyone think we could be potentially going without wingers as our main system this season and moving more towards a narrow diamond with full backs providing width? Such as: Ndidi Soumare Tielemans Maddison Daka/Kel Vardy Be a shame as this would obviously mean sacrificing Barnes, but it would make sense as to why we haven't gone gung-ho for a RM so far? 1
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 Just now, Les-TA-Jon said: OK but I'd have still put a Striker as more of a priority this window than a RW, is all. Going into this season with only a 35 year Vardy and unknown Nacho would have been bad. Yeah I sort of agree, I'd say they were both as important as each other and we went for a striker who is an out and out striker like Daka and not tried to kill two birds with one stone and go for one who can play out wide whilst we transition. However in doing so we also have to accept that Vardy and Daka won't play together, in which case we still have the team issue of a weakness in the supply line and additional goals we lack from out wide. When everyone is fit, Barnes, Maddison and one of Vardy or Daka will score a good amount of goals. Iheanacho is a curious one because I still don't know how we make use of him that's not a detriment to the team but we know we can get 2 strikers on the field in a combination of him and Vardy or Daka and there will be goals. The downside there is Maddison seems way below par in this system and Perez who supposedly is a central support attacker was also poor in this system. Barnes hasn't ever played behind the strikers for us, he did at West Brom and did well but we've seen what's happens to him when he can't get the space to exploit, he is nullified and I don't think he's a 10 at all at this level. So we still need that creative play maker like Matheus Pereira or Ludovic Blas who allow us to play a number of systems but ideally we will go with 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 against the bigger sides and we know that injuries aside in that system we are one of the top sides in the league. Therefore we were and still are just 1 player shy, a quality right winger. I'll die on this hill, there's no way around it that will make us better off in the long run. More strikers won't solve it because it leads to other problems elsewhere. Get the winger, get the glory. 3
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....Soumare came in I believe to reinforce our midfield!!! A lot of posters see him as the Youri stand in, I view him more as an Ndidi with better ball skills. We can be bullied by teams and with only playing a midfield two, we can be easily over run, having that third man in there makes us stronger. It also explains why he plays Perez so often, as someone who can help with the workload. It does not matter what we think, Rodger's has asked him to do a job and he is fulfilling the role asked of him. Soumare is not a defensive midfielder, if Ndidi doesn't play then you'd need a combination of Soumare and KDH + Youri to make up for what Ndidi brings. Soumare doesn't screen and tackle and intercept like Ndidi, he doesn't have the sixth sense that destroyers like Ndidi have. What he does have is incredible ability to get on the ball in defensive midfield areas and get us on the attack. 2
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: The annoying thing is, it was absolutely the priority this summer. We didn't need Soumare and we needed a RW before a striker. I'm very pleased we got Soumare and most certainly Daka but from an XI point of view its the one position we so badly needed a much better player in and as of yet we haven't got it. We will sign another right winger, like we did last summer and like we appeared to do the summer before with Perez. The issue is getting the right player, not easy but quite frustrating given our capabilities at recruitment. The positives are that if Barnes stays fit next season we likely have a winger who will score and assists sub 20 goals which is rare and with Maddison capable of scoring and assisting decent numbers, any right winger bringing goals and assists is what will be the difference in improvement year on year. Even a right winger who could score half a dozen and assists a similar amount would be a huge improvement on last season. I wouldn't want us thinking " oh well, we don't need this winger to be that good " but there's a view that because wingers that score and assists in double figures are rare that we therefore probably can't find one and so we shouldn't prioritise it. Get this missing piece and I'm confident we can fight off the inevitable surge from the big 6 and the likes of Villa, Leeds etc. Weve needed a big intimidating bastard in the midfield fit about 3 years. Massively disagree with the view we didn't need him. Hes a brilliant signing for us.
Ric Flair Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 1 minute ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Weve needed a big intimidating bastard in the midfield fit about 3 years. Massively disagree with the view we didn't need him. Hes a brilliant signing for us. He wasn't essential, if and when he plays it'll be even more important we have a strong right winger as he will play instead of a creative midfielder like Maddison or Tielemans. He's a 4-3-3 midfielder alongside a DCM like Ndidi and a deep lying playmaker like Tielemans or KDH, therefore in order to not lose attacking ability the front 3 have to all be capable of goals. Right now we are relying and praying on Sowah being able to do that or playing Iheanacho or Daka on the wing. I agree a big midfielder like Soumare was something this squad needed but in the list of priorities it was behind a right winger and a striker.
sacreblueits442 Posted 27 July 2021 Posted 27 July 2021 9 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said: OK but I'd have still put a Striker as more of a priority this window than a RW, is all. Going into this season with only a 35 year Vardy and unknown Nacho would have been bad. ....we definitely needed a striker this window!!! But it is not that we have not prioritise a Right Winger this window, we did not last year, we did not the previous year to that and we did not prioritise the year before that. When do we make it or priority?? I believe it will be 4-3-3 next season which omits Maddison in a conventional role, but going by previous decisions by Rodgers he could choose to play him on the right of the front three. 1
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