Football Manager 2022

[turlo]

1 hour ago, Beliall said:

he goes to newcastle anyway. im with wednesday and he went in about 2 days

 

same in my save

[turlo]

Little Wes and Thomas both high on the PA charts on FM Scout 

 

[stripeyfox]

hard work keeping my squad happy!
 

Tielemens got the arse because I promised I'd strengthen up front - I brought in one player but that wasn't good enough.

 

Then he got the hump because he wanted to take the penalties.

 

Then when his mate Denis Praet comes back from loan and demands a new 140k a week deal and I refuse, Tielemens things have treated him unfairly and gets the arse again!
 

 

[stripeyfox]

Finished 3rd in my first season. Albrighton got 18 assists!!

 

[stripeyfox]

cheers Cags! All I did was wish him luck on his move to Spurs and say he's welcome back anytime! 

 

 

[Keiriel]

Okay.

 

[Finnegan]

Go on then @Beliall whack up some screen shots of the squad.

 

What's Patson look like and has Iheanacho had an upgrade? 

[AjcW]

On 23/10/2021 at 19:27, stripeyfox said:

hard work keeping my squad happy!
 

Tielemens got the arse because I promised I'd strengthen up front - I brought in one player but that wasn't good enough.

 

Then he got the hump because he wanted to take the penalties.

 

Then when his mate Denis Praet comes back from loan and demands a new 140k a week deal and I refuse, Tielemens things have treated him unfairly and gets the arse again!
 

 

There's a LOT of bugs with promises... only bugs i've spotted so far though so at least it's all in one place.

 

I signed three players (all midfielders) who wanted the midfield strengthened, and every time I signed anyone in any position it said they were delighted  

 

Funniest bit is they're all each others fulfillment of the actual promise!

[moore_94]

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Go on then @Beliall whack up some screen shots of the squad.

 

What's Patson look like and has Iheanacho had an upgrade? 

Daka is exactly the same...

 

FM21 Left vs FM22 Right

 

 

Edited 25 October 2021 by moore_94

[Finnegan]

Man scored 27 league goals in 28 games last year and he's still got 14 finishing and 13 composure.

 

 

For context:

 

 

Kid has scored two professional goals. 

 

This game is increasingly going the way of FIFA. I swear every year the ratings for players at the "big six" get sillier. Mason Greenwood and Curtis Jones equally ridiculous. 

Edited 25 October 2021 by Finnegan

[Brainy]

The Greek Second Division awaits.

 

Anagennisi Karditsa - very much a Trayal Krusevac story having just been promoted to that level and playing in yellow and black. Might aim for a mid-table Super League side before going on to manage one of the bigger guys, ideally Panathinaikos.

 

[tomfmlcfc]

3 hours ago, Finnegan said:

Man scored 27 league goals in 28 games last year and he's still got 14 finishing and 13 composure.

 

 

For context:

 

 

Kid has scored two professional goals. 

 

This game is increasingly going the way of FIFA. I swear every year the ratings for players at the "big six" get sillier. Mason Greenwood and Curtis Jones equally ridiculous. 

As you will undoubtedly know Daka's ratings will be bound by the fact he's come from the Austrian league - I haven't touched his subjective stats since he signed. He is a perfectly good Premier League striker in the game and has some excellent potential too. You are not going to notice the difference between 14 and 15 finishing.

 

I have mentioned before that CA constraints by club are no longer arbitrarily plucked from thin air (it was more complicated than that, but there was no mathematical substance behind it). We now use a system reliant on betting odds for each team, which present a really decent balance between teams.

 

It's absolutely no use to just have a moan that 'X player is not as good as he should be' and 'Y player is far too good'. Jones and Greenwood are playing regularly for Champions League football clubs at the top end of the Premier League - if they were rated as bang average mid-table players, the AI of both teams would sell them and that would be an obvious bug. Daka is sat on our bench and deputising for two players with very good CAs and attributes in the game.

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, tomfmlcfc said:

We now use a system reliant on betting odds for each team, which present a really decent balance between teams.

 

It's absolutely no use to just have a moan that 'X player is not as good as he should be' and 'Y player is far too good'. Jones and Greenwood are playing regularly for Champions League football clubs at the top end of the Premier League

 

You realise that's essentially admitting that players are rated by how "big" their team is and not on their actual individual merits? 

 

I'm not having a pop at you as a person, you're exceptionally defensive about this but I don't actually particularly want an argument. I'm sympathetic regards Daka especially because he's new to the club and I'd expect you to rely heavily on his previous ratings. 

 

But it's indefensible that a game that strives to be the most realistic football sim on the market has Liam fvcking Delap on par with Patson Daka purely because Delap plays for a club in the latter stages of the champions league that gets allocated more points because of "betting odds." 

 

Again, not your fault, you didn't design the game or its rating system. But you're literally describing exactly the sort of pandering that I've got a problem with but at the same time telling me not to moan about it? 

 

Edited 25 October 2021 by Finnegan

[moore_94]

Rodgers turned into a bit of a Spurs fan after joining Newcastle in my save...

 

[Dan]

10 hours ago, moore_94 said:

Daka is exactly the same...

 

FM21 Left vs FM22 Right

 

 

That is an absolute joke isn't it. The usual con.

[Mark_w]

Well this bodes well for my Leicester tactic

[AjcW]

11 hours ago, tomfmlcfc said:

As you will undoubtedly know Daka's ratings will be bound by the fact he's come from the Austrian league - I haven't touched his subjective stats since he signed. He is a perfectly good Premier League striker in the game and has some excellent potential too. You are not going to notice the difference between 14 and 15 finishing.

 

I have mentioned before that CA constraints by club are no longer arbitrarily plucked from thin air (it was more complicated than that, but there was no mathematical substance behind it). We now use a system reliant on betting odds for each team, which present a really decent balance between teams.

 

It's absolutely no use to just have a moan that 'X player is not as good as he should be' and 'Y player is far too good'. Jones and Greenwood are playing regularly for Champions League football clubs at the top end of the Premier League - if they were rated as bang average mid-table players, the AI of both teams would sell them and that would be an obvious bug. Daka is sat on our bench and deputising for two players with very good CAs and attributes in the game.

 

9 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

I'm not having a pop at you as a person, you're exceptionally defensive about this but I don't actually particularly want an argument.

 

Just going to jump in to back @Finnegan up here as it's been bugging me for a while now too how defensive Tom is.

 

I can completely understand you putting together a strong argument as to why things happen the way they do (especially if it's out of your control) and we obviously really appreciate having insight into the game on this forum.

 

Problem is we're also fortunate enough to have @Ricey on here and the difference in the way in which he responds to UX errors/criticisms Vs the spikiness you've provided since joining is night and day.

 

You're representing SI at the end of the day and this is a brilliant platform for you to gain feedback for current and future games. Take it onboard, provide strong arguments for sure, but maybe just keep an eye on the way some of your responses come across

 

The beauty of FM is that it changes every year depending on what's been happening in the real world, Liam Delap will probably go on to be a star, but at the end of the day he's had another season as a reserve player (not even out on loan!) so questioning why he currently has the same stats as Daka is absolutely valid.

[Finnegan]

End of the day you're talking about someone with shot conversion stats that are mind blowing but has been given the finishing score of a top half Championship striker. 

 

Daka's numbers at Salzburg were comparable to Haaland's and in the limited playing time he's had here so far, he's scored 5 goals in fewer minutes than I'm sure it took Haaland to at BVB.

 

I'm not suggesting he should have the same rating as Haaland, that's obviously madness. But to have not been upgraded at all after last season is also bonkers. So is the implication that he can't really be upgraded because the Austrian league isn't strong enough for those goals to count. 

 

And it frustrates me no end that volunteer researchers like Tom have such limited wiggle room to play with because Daka's pace and two footedness take so much out of his CA that there's not enough ratings left to make him a better finisher without one of the senior editors telling him that makes Patson too high rated. 

 

It's just daft. 

 

Again, to iterate, my problem isn't Tom, it's the outdated system from SI that he's been asked to work within and the the way it's inherently biased towards the big clubs. 

[stripeyfox]

Little Wes is an absolute rock on this. Not only performing brilliantly for me but also scored the winner for France against England in the World Cup Final in Qatar

 

[tomfmlcfc]

12 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

You realise that's essentially admitting that players are rated by how "big" their team is and not on their actual individual merits? 

 

I'm not having a pop at you as a person, you're exceptionally defensive about this but I don't actually particularly want an argument. I'm sympathetic regards Daka especially because he's new to the club and I'd expect you to rely heavily on his previous ratings. 

 

But it's indefensible that a game that strives to be the most realistic football sim on the market has Liam fvcking Delap on par with Patson Daka purely because Delap plays for a club in the latter stages of the champions league that gets allocated more points because of "betting odds." 

 

Again, not your fault, you didn't design the game or its rating system. But you're literally describing exactly the sort of pandering that I've got a problem with but at the same time telling me not to moan about it? 

 

I think you're completely misjudging my tone - apologies if you think I'm being defensive. I'm not taking any of this personally, I love a good debate.

 

Delap isn't on par with Daka by CA, and by some distance too. 

2 hours ago, AjcW said:

 

Just going to jump in to back @Finnegan up here as it's been bugging me for a while now too how defensive Tom is.

 

I can completely understand you putting together a strong argument as to why things happen the way they do (especially if it's out of your control) and we obviously really appreciate having insight into the game on this forum.

 

Problem is we're also fortunate enough to have @Ricey on here and the difference in the way in which he responds to UX errors/criticisms Vs the spikiness you've provided since joining is night and day.

 

You're representing SI at the end of the day and this is a brilliant platform for you to gain feedback for current and future games. Take it onboard, provide strong arguments for sure, but maybe just keep an eye on the way some of your responses come across

 

The beauty of FM is that it changes every year depending on what's been happening in the real world, Liam Delap will probably go on to be a star, but at the end of the day he's had another season as a reserve player (not even out on loan!) so questioning why he currently has the same stats as Daka is absolutely valid.

Spikiness? Do point me to where I was at all spiky, please.

 

I joined because people on here gave me such abuse that I was apparently 'on smack' and that I don't watch us play. I have been remarkably tame in comparison, I think.

 

I really disagree we pander to the big clubs - we are very, very good on this year's game, for example. Ultimately Arsenal, Spurs and Man United should be pretty strong because on paper they have lots of talented players.

 

I probably could've worded things a bit better to make myself not look so defensive, but ultimately as you say all I want is constructive criticism, that's how we can get the best data possible. 

Edited 26 October 2021 by tomfmlcfc

[Mark_w]

Just got to the 2022 World Cup in my Red Star FC save, interesting tournament

Edited 26 October 2021 by Mark_w

[Osavo]

Not a massive glitch per se, but slightly odd for the game to make us play in our mint away kit at Man City. Slight kit clash .

[stripeyfox]

Just had a testimonial for Vardy. Absolute carnage! Maddison injured and out for a month. Ricardo (no longer my player) bust his leg and Cags (also no longer my player) fractured arm!
 

Lost 1-0 to Lyon

 

[Matt_Lcfc]

On 25/10/2021 at 18:21, Finnegan said:

Man scored 27 league goals in 28 games last year and he's still got 14 finishing and 13 composure.

 

 

For context:

 

 

Kid has scored two professional goals. 

 

This game is increasingly going the way of FIFA. I swear every year the ratings for players at the "big six" get sillier. Mason Greenwood and Curtis Jones equally ridiculous. 

This is my main issue with the game tbh. Maybe I set my team up wrong but traditional ‘big six clubs’ are always so overpowered. Last year I had a Leicester save and had an unreal squad and would win five games in a row, play against a struggling Man City side and get battered 5-0. 
 

 

[Dan]

Gonna get this soon. Deportivo La Coruna is my first save. The glory days are coming back.