Footballers and the Jab

[Unabomber]

26 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

You do realise you can catch covid if you’ve had the jab? Now, who’s a thick twat?

Everyone knows that

[Spudulike]

39 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

You do realise you can catch covid if you’ve had the jab? Now, who’s a thick twat?

Really?! Who knew. 

 

Priceless 

[Legend_in_blue]

I'm waiting for @Line-X to add his words of wisdom to this thread...

[SlaneyLCFC]

4 hours ago, PhillippaT said:

This just means that you must accept the consequences of not being vaccinated if you so choose.  If that means you lose your job, then so be it.

 

2020: Clap for our NHS heroes!

2021: Get the jab or lose your job Anti Vaxxer!!

 

 

 

 

[leicsmac]

As has been mentioned before, freedom works both ways and the freedom to take the consequences is the one upon all the others are based.

 

I'm not sure how folks can argue against that unless they want freedom for themselves but not for other people.

[Detroit Blues]

The freedom argument again. 

 

An individual's "freedom" stops where it infringes on the freedom of another . That's why driving under the influence is illegal. Your freedom to drink and then operate a vehicle is restrained because it infringes on the freedom of the other people sharing the road to travel safely. 

 

An individual's decision to not get vaccinated does have consequences on the health/safety of the vaccinated. 

- Unvaccinated people are far, far more likely to become hospitalized than the unvaccinated, which puts a strain on the healthcare system. When hospitals become overtaxed, people suffering from other ailments / injuries suffer. 

- Unvaccinated people provide a breeding ground for the virus to reproduce, mutate and change, which will eventually limit the effectiveness of the vaccine amongst the population of the vaccinated.

[enmac]

On 06/10/2021 at 14:20, The People's Hero said:

He's had Covid twice.

 

The vaccine gives you antibodies that he presumably already has.

 

The vaccine also doesn't mean you're any less likely to 'pass it on'.

 

There's a lot of myth about the vaccine as if its magic; and not just a way of training your body to react to the virus by giving you a dose that stimulates the production of antibodies which then becomes a learned response. Its not a magic jab that prevents you ever being ill or passing it on? Its surely no better than having actually had Covid? 

Without the vaccine you are more likely to catch it and therefore less likely to pass it on. 

We already have more cases than just about the rest of Europe put together. 

What about extremely vulnerable people? 

What about their freedom to go out if they're 1000s of mask less, unvaccinated people walking about? 

Those refusing the vaccine are being incredibly selfish. 3 deaths in the whole of the US from taking the vaccine vs millions who have had no problems. 

No player should be allowed to play without taking it. 

[Soup]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

3 deaths in the whole of the US from taking the vaccine vs millions who have had no problems. 

3 deaths? Jesus wept

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

Without the vaccine you are more likely to catch it and therefore less likely to pass it on. 

We already have more cases than just about the rest of Europe put together. 

What about extremely vulnerable people? 

What about their freedom to go out if they're 1000s of mask less, unvaccinated people walking about? 

Those refusing the vaccine are being incredibly selfish. 3 deaths in the whole of the US from taking the vaccine vs millions who have had no problems. 

No player should be allowed to play without taking it. 

 

9 minutes ago, Soup said:

3 deaths? Jesus wept

I was just thinking the same, locally a few of us know of 2 just in a small part of Leicester, so 3 in the whole of the USA? Never.

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, Soup said:

3 deaths? Jesus wept

There were some dodgy numbers released here the other day.

 

There will be some deaths which are clearly vaccine related (though there is a line of thought that says if your immune system ‘kills you’ as a consequence of taking the vaccine then it’s feasible that covid would do the same) 

 

there are a much larger number of deaths which may well be due to the vaccine but the coroner hasn’t yet specifically reported that this is the case.  No one would argue that more people have died from the vaccine than the virus. 
 

it’s an incredibly difficult subject 

 

 

[Soup]

12 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

 

I was just thinking the same, locally a few of us know of 2 just in a small part of Leicester, so 3 in the whole of the USA? Never.

Yeah no chance

[Soup]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

There were some dodgy numbers released here the other day.

 

There will be some deaths which are clearly vaccine related (though there is a line of thought that says if your immune system ‘kills you’ as a consequence of taking the vaccine then it’s feasible that covid would do the same) 

 

there are a much larger number of deaths which may well be due to the vaccine but the coroner hasn’t yet specifically reported that this is the case.  No one would argue that more people have died from the vaccine than the virus. 
 

it’s an incredibly difficult subject 

 

 

Yeah but 3? 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Soup said:

Yeah but 3? 

I think they missed some zeros ……

[Soup]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

I think they missed some zeros ……

Yes I think so haha

 

Anyway I took myself out of Gen chat to get away from Covid so I'll get the hell out of here. Have a good night

[st albans fox]

3 minutes ago, Soup said:

Yeah but 3? 

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa-idUSL1N2R00KP
 

around 8000 in the states which COULD theoretically be related but that’s likely to include many thousands who would have died anyway 

[Phube]

To be fair it’s all a very convoluted way of saying you’re scared of needles.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Phube said:

To be fair it’s all a very convoluted way of saying you’re scared of needles.

irrespective of your ‘facetious’ post, it’s actually going to be true in some instances….

[Otis]

3 hours ago, st albans fox said:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-usa-idUSL1N2R00KP
 

around 8000 in the states which COULD theoretically be related but that’s likely to include many thousands who would have died anyway 

Just like the 1000s of deaths put down to Covid. But in reality they would have died from the next infection of anything. 

[st albans fox]

53 minutes ago, Otis said:

Just like the 1000s of deaths put down to Covid. But in reality they would have died from the next infection of anything. 

I believe covid deaths are measured in millions rather than thousands …….

[Spudulike]

12 hours ago, Otis said:

Just like the 1000s of deaths put down to Covid. But in reality they would have died from the next infection of anything. 

In reality, if that next infection happens to be covid then a vaccinated person is much less likely to die from it. And importantly, much less likely to spread it to anyone else including anti-vaxers.

[Fox92]

12 hours ago, Otis said:

Just like the 1000s of deaths put down to Covid. But in reality they would have died from the next infection of anything. 

It's daft. Everytime I see the news "xxx amount of deaths for any reason with 28 days of a covid test". 

[Otis]

32 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

In reality, if that next infection happens to be covid then a vaccinated person is much less likely to die from it. And importantly, much less likely to spread it to anyone else including anti-vaxers.

That's certainly true for some. Vaccination is a no brainer for the vulnerable and anybody over 50 years old. 

[Spudulike]

27 minutes ago, Otis said:

That's certainly true for some. Vaccination is a no brainer for the vulnerable and anybody over 50 years old. 

It's a no brainer for everyone to be vaccinated to avoid providing a breeding ground for the virus to spread and mutate. Thankfully most of the adult population in the UK have done the right thing to not only protect themselves but also everyone else. 

[Otis]

11 hours ago, Spudulike said:

It's a no brainer for everyone to be vaccinated to avoid providing a breeding ground for the virus to spread and mutate. Thankfully most of the adult population in the UK have done the right thing to not only protect themselves but also everyone else. 

But this isn't the case is it. Because the vaccinated and unvaccinated can still pass it on, so the potential to mutate and spread will always be there just like the flu. There will never be 100% vaccinated so why bother vaccinating children who are largely unaffected by the covid. Who according to some studies create a better immune response from the actual infection. 

[Spudulike]

9 hours ago, Otis said:

But this isn't the case is it. Because the vaccinated and unvaccinated can still pass it on, so the potential to mutate and spread will always be there just like the flu. There will never be 100% vaccinated so why bother vaccinating children who are largely unaffected by the covid. Who according to some studies create a better immune response from the actual infection. 

Otis, I've almost lost the will to keep explaining this. Google's your friend where you'll find article after article why you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

Here's just one... 

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/

 

"So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission."