Footballers and the Jab

[Phube]

Just reading that 2/3rds of Prem footballers are still refusing the Covid Vaccine... I have no words! 

 

Not only does it stop them playing for the Club that pays them but now it could stop them playing in the World Cup;  they may be "young and fit" but look at ASM it took him months to get over it. 

 

I just doesn't make sense to me... but then I do have a brain... 

[Corky]

All about personal choice. However, your career shouldn't give you special privileges and exemptions. Countries have their rules and regulations in place and if you aren't allowed in, so be it.

[Ecdysiast]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

All about personal choice. However, your career shouldn't give you special privileges and exemptions. Countries have their rules and regulations in place and if you aren't allowed in, so be it.

But its not about personal choice though is it? It's about doing what's right for the communal good of the whole population. 

[Phube]

1 minute ago, Corky said:

All about personal choice. However, your career shouldn't give you special privileges and exemptions. Countries have their rules and regulations in place and if you aren't allowed in, so be it.

 

Is it about personal choice when your personal choice has a negative affect on those around you?

 

i.e. smoking indoors, wearing clothes in public areas etc.

[when_you're_smiling]

Presumably we don’t have a high take up. In an article the other day Sky didn’t list the ones with low vaccine take up but said Wolves and Leeds were the highest.

 

Have a lot of sympathy with professional  sports people though who are taught from minute one of their careers to watch what they put in their body for fear of failing a drugs test. I’m sure that culture makes them more paranoid than most.

[Corky]

2 minutes ago, Phube said:

 

Is it about personal choice when your personal choice has a negative affect on those around you?

 

i.e. smoking indoors, wearing clothes in public areas etc.

But it isn't mandatory. You take it, or don't take it, for a number of reasons. 

 

Ideally everyone would have it. But it's not an ideal world.

[Webbo]

50 minutes ago, Phube said:

 

Is it about personal choice when your personal choice has a negative affect on those around you?

 

i.e. smoking indoors, wearing clothes in public areas etc.

There is a risk to taking the jab. What you're saying is you take the risk so that you can protect me. That is unethical. People should be allowed to decide for themselves. 

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, Ecdysiast said:

But its not about personal choice though is it? It's about doing what's right for the communal good of the whole population. 

We live in a free Country where things are not forced upon us.

 

I've had both of my jabs and that was my choice.

[Phube]

51 minutes ago, Webbo said:

There is a risk to taking the jab. What you're saying is you take the risk so that you can protect me. That is unethical. People should be allowed to decide for themselves. 

 

No ‘you’ should take the risk to protect everyone, and vice versa. That’s how herd immunity works. That’s how we eradicate/lessen the threat of diseases.

And those choosing not to take part in society should suffer the consequences of their actions.
 

14 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We live in a free Country where things are not forced upon us.

 

I've had both of my jabs and that was my choice.

That’s true, but the Freedom-Munchers can’t complain when society get on without them.

[Webbo]

4 minutes ago, Phube said:

 

No ‘you’ should take the risk to protect everyone, and vice versa. That’s how herd immunity works. That’s how we eradicate/lessen the threat of diseases.

And those choosing not to take part in society should suffer the consequences of their actions.
 

That’s true, but the Freedom-Munchers can’t complain when society get on without them.

 

 

Im double jabbed, that was my choice. I don't want anyone to risk their health for me. 

[Phube]

13 minutes ago, Webbo said:

 

 

Im double jabbed, that was my choice. I don't want anyone to risk their health for me. 

It’s not for you… it’s EVERYONE.

 

But also the risk is <<< than Covid complications!

[The Horse's Mouth]

It's none of your ****ing business quite frankly 

[enmac]

1 hour ago, Webbo said:

There is a risk to taking the jab. What you're saying is you take the risk so that you can protect me. That is unethical. People should be allowed to decide for themselves. 

Every type of medication carries a risk. Buy a box of aspirin and read the accompanying leaflet and the possible risks, for example. 

The risk of harm to you or anyone else of not taking the vaccine and catching covid is far higher than taking it. Compare the number of deaths in the US of those taking it vs deaths. A couple of weeks ago it was 3 vs 100s of thousands. I don't think the anti vaxers don't give a toss about ethics so your claim about forcing it on people as being unethical doesn't wash with me. 

[Webbo]

10 minutes ago, Phube said:

It’s not for you… it’s EVERYONE.

 

But also the risk is <<< than Covid complications!

Then EVERYONE can get the jab for themselves. 

A young fit footballer has a minute risk of complications from covid. Their life, their choice. 

[Webbo]

10 minutes ago, enmac said:

Every type of medication carries a risk. Buy a box of aspirin and read the accompanying leaflet and the possible risks, for example. 

The risk of harm to you or anyone else of not taking the vaccine and catching covid is far higher than taking it. Compare the number of deaths in the US of those taking it vs deaths. A couple of weeks ago it was 3 vs 100s of thousands. I don't think the anti vaxers don't give a toss about ethics so your claim about forcing it on people as being unethical doesn't wash with me. 

Nobody is forcing you to take aspirin. I don't care what anti vaxxers think. 

 

Nobody should be forced into having something injected into their body against their will. 

[Phube]

12 minutes ago, The Horse&#x27;s Mouth said:

It's none of your ****ing business quite frankly 

On an individual level, obviously not. 
 

On the macro level, uptake in society matters; whether half your team is unavailable or has long term issues, to how full my hospital is an the impact that has on my workload.

Whether we have to lockdown again and lose all those precious ’freedoms’ people all love to bang on about so much.

 

So knowing 2/3rd of a group can’t even be bothered to be part of society just kinda irks me a little…

[Phube]

15 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Then EVERYONE can get the jab for themselves. 

A young fit footballer has a minute risk of complications from covid. Their life, their choice. 

No everyone can’t get the jab, some would love to but have a real medical contraindication, not one of those fake ones. It’s people like that who depend on those that can.

[The Horse's Mouth]

57 minutes ago, Phube said:

On an individual level, obviously not. 
 

On the macro level, uptake in society matters; whether half your team is unavailable or has long term issues, to how full my hospital is an the impact that has on my workload.

Whether we have to lockdown again and lose all those precious ’freedoms’ people all love to bang on about so much.

 

So knowing 2/3rd of a group can’t even be bothered to be part of society just kinda irks me a little…

The vaccine doesn't exempt you from isolating if youve tested positive anyway so it's pretty irrelevant. The uptake in society is like 70%, you seem like one of those who long for the lockdown days clearly with your attitude. 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

Every type of medication carries a risk. Buy a box of aspirin and read the accompanying leaflet and the possible risks, for example. 

The risk of harm to you or anyone else of not taking the vaccine and catching covid is far higher than taking it. Compare the number of deaths in the US of those taking it vs deaths. A couple of weeks ago it was 3 vs 100s of thousands. I don't think the anti vaxers don't give a toss about ethics so your claim about forcing it on people as being unethical doesn't wash with me. 

They have all been through a full testing phase though.

[Otis]

6 hours ago, Phube said:

Just reading that 2/3rds of Prem footballers are still refusing the Covid Vaccine... I have no words! 

 

Not only does it stop them playing for the Club that pays them but now it could stop them playing in the World Cup;  they may be "young and fit" but look at ASM it took him months to get over it. 

 

I just doesn't make sense to me... but then I do have a brain... 

How does not taking the vaccine stop them from playing for their club?

[Phube]

1 hour ago, Otis said:

How does not taking the vaccine stop them from playing for their club?

Bertrand, Kante, ASM… 

 

Yes you can still get Covid with the vaccine, but you are more likely to get it if not. And if you do you are more likely to suffer complications keeping you out of the team longer.

 

Oh and if they are following government guidelines, then if you have a Covid contact and are not double vaxxed you still have to isolate, if you are then it’s only if you’re symptomatic. Therefore keeping you out of team training for longer.

Edited 2 October 2021 by Phube

[Otis]

1 hour ago, Phube said:

Bertrand, Kante, ASM… 

 

Yes you can still get Covid with the vaccine, but you are more likely to get it if not. And if you do you are more likely to suffer complications keeping you out of the team longer.

 

Has it been confirmed these players have not been vaccinated?

 

I believe the vaccine reduces symptoms but Is there any evidence that the vaccine makes it less likely to contract Covid?

 

Do you also believe players should take the flu vaccine?

[Spudulike]

The Big soft German has spoken... 

 

Jurgen Klopp: Liverpool manager says vaccine is 'not a limit on freedom' - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58775881

 

[st albans fox]

On 02/10/2021 at 14:47, when_you're_smiling said:

Presumably we don’t have a high take up. In an article the other day Sky didn’t list the ones with low vaccine take up but said Wolves and Leeds were the highest.

 

Have a lot of sympathy with professional  sports people though who are taught from minute one of their careers to watch what they put in their body for fear of failing a drugs test. I’m sure that culture makes them more paranoid than most.

klopp says liverpool are 99% jabbed so that makes our lot even more likely to be a bad return

[Lionator]

11 hours ago, Phube said:

Bertrand, Kante, ASM… 

 

Yes you can still get Covid with the vaccine, but you are more likely to get it if not. And if you do you are more likely to suffer complications keeping you out of the team longer.

 

Oh and if they are following government guidelines, then if you have a Covid contact and are not double vaxxed you still have to isolate, if you are then it’s only if you’re symptomatic. Therefore keeping you out of team training for longer.

I believe Kante and Pulisic had both received the vaccine and still caught it. But then you look at ASM and Karl Darlow and hear their stories, you'd be a fool not to have the vaccine. Both the managers of Shrewsbury and Chester nearly died from pre-vaccinated covid. 

 

16 hours ago, The Horse&#x27;s Mouth said:

The vaccine doesn't exempt you from isolating if youve tested positive anyway so it's pretty irrelevant. The uptake in society is like 70%, you seem like one of those who long for the lockdown days clearly with your attitude. 

I think this is harsh, vaccination is the sole reason why we will never have to return to a lockdown...in this pandemic.