Footballers and the Jab

[FoxyPV]

I see a NBA star had to get vaccinated to be allowed to play due to California laws.

 

Personally they should get vaccinated where possible and there may be some who can't due to their reaction to previous vaccines.

 

I was listening to a show talking about this and the journalist said that on the whole it's because they're listening to anti-vax shite coupled with the belief that because they're young and fit it won't harm them

[Phube]

11 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

@Phubecan I buy some fuel off of you pls? I take it you would have quite a bit spare...

Eh? 
 

Not sure what you’re implying. That I’m pro-vaccination means I panic buy fuel? 
 

I mean I’ve not really heard of that correlation; but on a personal level I refused to panic buy (which nearly led to me being stuck in Cov) and have kept to my normal fuel buying routine. 

[Spudulike]

He's had covid twice and most likely passed that on to others. What a total, thick, selfish twat... 

 

Callum Robinson says he is not vaccinated despite having had Covid-19 twice - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58810741

 

I'd drop him and that goes for any City players with this viewpoint. 

[TiffToff88]

It's looking increasingly more likely that fans could be turned away from games if they're not fully vaccinated. Why should the players be exempt from this rule? If we have to be fully vaccinated to get into the building then so should the players, staff and officials. 

[The People's Hero]

50 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

He's had covid twice and most likely passed that on to others. What a total, thick, selfish twat... 

 

Callum Robinson says he is not vaccinated despite having had Covid-19 twice - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58810741

 

I'd drop him and that goes for any City players with this viewpoint. 

He's had it twice so now should have a decent level of immunity.

 

Jabs aren't magic; they just expose you to the virus and provoke an immune response; you know; like getting the virus does?

 

Not sure why the condemnation here? 

[harpendenfox]

3 hours ago, The People's Hero said:

He's had it twice so now should have a decent level of immunity.

 

Jabs aren't magic; they just expose you to the virus and provoke an immune response; you know; like getting the virus does?

 

Not sure why the condemnation here? 

Without anywhere near the level of risk to your health from contracting the virus. Getting the vaccine frankly isn’t a marginal issue. The evidence in favour of getting jabbed is so overwhelming that to do otherwise unless there is a mitigating health reason defies all logic.

[Nugent]

4 hours ago, Spudulike said:

He's had covid twice and most likely passed that on to others. What a total, thick, selfish twat... 

 

Callum Robinson says he is not vaccinated despite having had Covid-19 twice - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58810741

 

I'd drop him and that goes for any City players with this viewpoint. 

Good for him! He's an extremely fit athlete who has antibodies, why would he take a vaccine he doesn't need, for a virus he's not at risk from? Probably a sensible thing to do considering the approximate 350,000 adverse reactions to vaccines reported in the UK up until 22nd September - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports

 

It's all about individual risk versus reward, he and many others have done that assessment and deemed that they don't want the vaccine. It's a personal choice and not the business of anyone else. Particularly considering you can still catch and transmit the virus when vaccinated, which doesn't massively support the 'get vaccinated to protect others' argument.

 

 

Edited 6 October 2021 by Nugent

[filbertway]

If you've already had covid, especially twice, then getting Vaccinated seems pointless. The vaccine is a relatively risk free way of developing antibodies, so if you already have them, then it seems pointless.

 

The vaccines have been important as we're essentially letting the virus rip through the country now and the NHS would have most likely collapsed if we attempted this on an unvaccinated population. 

[CosbehFox]

I wouldn't be too happy if a team-mate was passing it on and effectively making your team 'weaker'. 

[The People's Hero]

9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I wouldn't be too happy if a team-mate was passing it on and effectively making your team 'weaker'. 

He's had Covid twice.

 

The vaccine gives you antibodies that he presumably already has.

 

The vaccine also doesn't mean you're any less likely to 'pass it on'.

 

There's a lot of myth about the vaccine as if its magic; and not just a way of training your body to react to the virus by giving you a dose that stimulates the production of antibodies which then becomes a learned response. Its not a magic jab that prevents you ever being ill or passing it on? Its surely no better than having actually had Covid? 

[Spudulike]

50 minutes ago, Nugent said:

Good for him! He's an extremely fit athlete who has antibodies, why would he take a vaccine he doesn't need, for a virus he's not at risk from? Probably a sensible thing to do considering the approximate 350,000 adverse reactions to vaccines reported in the UK up until 22nd September - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting#yellow-card-reports

 

It's all about individual risk versus reward, he and many others have done that assessment and deemed that they don't want the vaccine. It's a personal choice and not the business of anyone else. Particularly considering you can still catch and transmit the virus when vaccinated, which doesn't massively support the 'get vaccinated to protect others' argument.

 

 

Not sure where to start with this. There are many scientific articles available using real world data and evidence to support why its very important to be vaccinated even if you have previously tested positive as having a particular variant. It's predicted the virus will mutate in the near future and the vaccines are likely to provide a good level of protection. 

 

Perhaps this footballer has no concern for the old and vulnerable. I take a different view having watched my Dad die in a hospital bed from covid. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

11 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Not sure where to start with this. There are many scientific articles available using real world data and evidence to support why its very important to be vaccinated even if you have previously tested positive as having a particular variant. It's predicted the virus will mutate in the near future and the vaccines are likely to provide a good level of protection. 

 

Perhaps this footballer has no concern for the old and vulnerable. I take a different view having watched my Dad die in a hospital bed from covid. 

And others have a different view having watched their loved ones die from the vaccine themselves.

 

Your viewpoint isn't worth anymore than someone elses.

 

Sorry about your dad btw.

[Nugent]

4 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Not sure where to start with this. There are many scientific articles available using real world data and evidence to support why its very important to be vaccinated even if you have previously tested positive as having a particular variant. It's predicted the virus will mutate in the near future and the vaccines are likely to provide a good level of protection. 

 

Perhaps this footballer has no concern for the old and vulnerable. I take a different view having watched my Dad die in a hospital bed from covid. 

And I've cited data that could support people of certain age-groups/health status in not choosing to have the vaccine. Data can be looked at to support both viewpoints, so it comes down to individuals making that personal risk vs reward assessment.

 

Some people, including myself, have made the decision (for now), that the benefits of having the vaccine are not strong enough when you consider the risk of serious illness (for some demographics) is extremely slim. That benefit is even smaller for those who have already had covid and have antibodies. 

 

Sorry to hear about your Dad, but others are allowed to have a differing viewpoint without being selfish or wanting to kill Granny. 

[Phube]

2 hours ago, Nugent said:

Some people, including myself, have made the decision (for now), that the benefits of having the vaccine are not strong enough when you consider the risk of serious illness (for some demographics) is extremely slim. That benefit is even smaller for those who have already had covid and have antibodies. 

 

Sadly it is just your demographic (assuming under 50, not-vaccinated) that are now filling up the ITU beds in my hospital all with the same surprise that it should only affect the elderly not them because they're young and fit. Yes the chances are still low, but seriously why risk it at all. I mean it'd make sense if we had infections under control (non mask wearing is another bug bear of mine!) but the UK is stubbornly still at 35,000 cases PER DAY! With it so prevalent I don't see why anyone would risk it? 

[Spudulike]

9 minutes ago, Phube said:

Sadly it is just your demographic (assuming under 50, not-vaccinated) that are now filling up the ITU beds in my hospital all with the same surprise that it should only affect the elderly not them because they're young and fit. Yes the chances are still low, but seriously why risk it at all. I mean it'd make sense if we had infections under control (non mask wearing is another bug bear of mine!) but the UK is stubbornly still at 35,000 cases PER DAY! With it so prevalent I don't see why anyone would risk it? 

Reading some of these comments it seems that some believe the anti-vax scare stories and see the 'risk' as having the jab. Perhaps a walk around an ICU might help understanding. 

 

Why are some footballers vaccine hesitant & what happens next? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58806500

 

[foxes_rule1978]

35 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Reading some of these comments it seems that some believe the anti-vax scare stories and see the 'risk' as having the jab. Perhaps a walk around an ICU might help understanding. 

 

Why are some footballers vaccine hesitant & what happens next? - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58806500

 

Absolutely, you are at a much higher risk not getting vaccinated 

[everton carr]

4 hours ago, harpendenfox said:

Without anywhere near the level of risk to your health from contracting the virus. Getting the vaccine frankly isn’t a marginal issue. The evidence in favour of getting jabbed is so overwhelming that to do otherwise unless there is a mitigating health reason defies all logic.

Surprised you can say that that with so many of the world's top Doctors speaking out inc Mike Yeaden ex VP at Pfzer Robert Malone  prof Cahill and Nobel prize Winner Luc Montagner.

[Phube]

3 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Surprised you can say that that with so many of the world's top Doctors speaking out inc Mike Yeaden ex VP at Pfzer Robert Malone  prof Cahill and Nobel prize Winner Luc Montagner.

This Mike Yeaden:

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Yeadon falsely claimed that the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom was "effectively over" in October 2020,^[12][13] that there would be no "second wave" of infections,^[2][14] and that healthy people could not spread the SARS-CoV-2 virus.^[15][16] He has claimed without evidence that COVID-19 vaccines were unnecessary,^[17][14][15] unsafe,^[16][18] and could cause infertility in women.^[2][16][19] In a letter to the European Medicines Agency, Yeadon and the German physician Wolfgang Wodarg called for all vaccine trials to be stopped, falsely suggesting^[20] that mRNA vaccines could target the syncytin-1 protein needed for placenta formation.^[21] Several of these claims have been spread widely on social media.^[2][12][16] Yeadon has also discouraged COVID-19 lockdowns and use of face masks despite evidence for their effectiveness^[18] and alleged that vaccines were part of a deliberate attempt at "mass depopulation", saying recipients would die within two years.^[7]

Wow some people really have drank the Cool-Aid!!

 

Oh newsflash: 

 

• The Earth is an oblate spheroid
• Elvis is Dead
• We have landed on the Moon
• The Queen is not a Lizard

 

 

[Otis]

3 hours ago, Spudulike said:

Perhaps this footballer has no concern for the old and vulnerable

I don't understand scaremongering comments like this.

 

The old and vulnerable should have taken the vaccine if they are concerned about catching it.

[everton carr]

Can someone explain  how herd immunity can only be achieved through a vaccine that dont offer immunity

[Soup]

4 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Can someone explain  how herd immunity can only be achieved through a vaccine that dont offer immunity

Because Pfi$er say so mate, simple as

[harpendenfox]

51 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Surprised you can say that that with so many of the world's top Doctors speaking out inc Mike Yeaden ex VP at Pfzer Robert Malone  prof Cahill and Nobel prize Winner Luc Montagner.

So many? Are you serious. A handful have spoken against it. Yeadon being the most prominent and dangerous. Hundreds of thousands of medics globally are strongly in favour. 

[Phube]

30 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Can someone explain  how herd immunity can only be achieved through a vaccine that dont offer immunity

I'm not sure herd immunity is possible with this such a rapidly mutating virus anymore - with proof that even those that have had it can still get it again. 

 

But what the vaccine will do is greatly reduce your chance of getting it and if you do get it your chance of getting serious complications are dramatically reduced.

 

Therefore if you catch it less, you get to spread it less therefore there is less of a reservoir in the general population therefore people catch it less and spread it less etc.

 

Eventually we may go to a Flu vaccine type situation where the prevalent variants will be targeted... in an annual shot.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Would making football a non contact sport and wrapping them in bubble wrap be a better solution?

[Duquesne Whistle]

1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Would making football a non contact sport and wrapping them in bubble wrap be a better solution?

It probably would for Vestergaard.