Looking Like Another GREAT Transfer Window

[StriderHiryu]

It is looking that way. Not every signing will be a slam dunk, but you have to measure signings not just in quantity but how much impact a player has on the team. For example in 2015 we signed Fuchs, Okazaki, Kante and Inler. One was a world class player, one was top class, one was good and one was a miss. But overall it was a fantastic window.

 

If Daka is the long-term Vardy replacement, IE a 20 goal a season striker then I'd argue the window is great just because of him, as there will never be another Vardy. But throw in Soumare who has shown more than 60m Ndombele at Spurs in just 10 games and it gets tasty. I've also been impressed with Lookman who seems like he is the victim of the system change rather than playing badly. The other two have a lot of work to do, but there is time to redeem themselves, starting with the Carabao Cup game next week.

 

But lets say Daka ends up being a 50m player and so is Soumare... then I would say overall the window has been a great one regardless. And both could end up being even better than that!

[Silver surfer 1]

3 hours ago, sdb said:

If only we'd gone Tarkowski. Or unearthed another Forfana. 

Chris Richards is another foffana .  The team is bursting with talent .  

[Vardinio'sCat]

6 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It's a huge ask. Bertrand's decline in 2019/20 onwards has been stark. Think he's got 1 assist and zero goals in the best part of 2 years, so from an attacking point of view there's no point to him and certainly not in a wingback system. Defensively I thought and hoped he'd give this team a calm head and some no nonsense defending but so far since his return from covid he's been poor in that regard. I do expect that to improve though and maybe as a Fuchs type player (3rd/4th choice left back) he ought to be OK, but he should be nowhere near Castagne or Thomas and obviously Justin when he returns.

 

Vestergaard, we've dropped a clanger, he's just not suited to English football. Hasn't the strength or aggression to cope, was crap at Southampton and seems to be suffering even worse here and I fail to see how that changes. He can't play in a high line and yet Rodgers won't sacrifice that so he's going to be played for about a season where we suffer the portfolio of mistakes and poor defending and he'll be replaced as 4th choice in the summer. One of the worst players I've seen for us since we returned to the PL, he's dog shit.

 

I think Bertrand mainly played as a stay at home CB in a 3 last season, so I don't see how you can assess his creativity from that. If he can get back to his pre-covid form he will be a decent option.

 

[Vardinio'sCat]

4 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

It is looking that way. Not every signing will be a slam dunk, but you have to measure signings not just in quantity but how much impact a player has on the team. For example in 2015 we signed Fuchs, Okazaki, Kante and Inler. One was a world class player, one was top class, one was good and one was a miss. But overall it was a fantastic window.

 

If Daka is the long-term Vardy replacement, IE a 20 goal a season striker then I'd argue the window is great just because of him, as there will never be another Vardy. But throw in Soumare who has shown more than 60m Ndombele at Spurs in just 10 games and it gets tasty. I've also been impressed with Lookman who seems like he is the victim of the system change rather than playing badly. The other two have a lot of work to do, but there is time to redeem themselves, starting with the Carabao Cup game next week.

 

But lets say Daka ends up being a 50m player and so is Soumare... then I would say overall the window has been a great one regardless. And both could end up being even better than that!

 

I quite often look at your posts and think you have saved me a lot of typing. And then I realise you save me quite a lot of thinking as well. Bravo. Again.

[Tanya]

4 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

It is looking that way. Not every signing will be a slam dunk, but you have to measure signings not just in quantity but how much impact a player has on the team. For example in 2015 we signed Fuchs, Okazaki, Kante and Inler. One was a world class player, one was top class, one was good and one was a miss. But overall it was a fantastic window.

 

If Daka is the long-term Vardy replacement, IE a 20 goal a season striker then I'd argue the window is great just because of him, as there will never be another Vardy. But throw in Soumare who has shown more than 60m Ndombele at Spurs in just 10 games and it gets tasty. I've also been impressed with Lookman who seems like he is the victim of the system change rather than playing badly. The other two have a lot of work to do, but there is time to redeem themselves, starting with the Carabao Cup game next week.

 

But lets say Daka ends up being a 50m player and so is Soumare... then I would say overall the window has been a great one regardless. And both could end up being even better than that!

Not to slobber all over you, but I think you're my favourite poster on the whole board. Your comments are always fair, nuanced and highly entertaining. I agree with your assessment entirely - if Daka turns into the striker we hope he is, this will go down as a seminal transfer window for the club.

[StriderHiryu]

4 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I quite often look at your posts and think you have saved me a lot of typing. And then I realise you save me quite a lot of thinking as well. Bravo. Again.

 

4 hours ago, Tanya said:

Not to slobber all over you, but I think you're my favourite poster on the whole board. Your comments are always fair, nuanced and highly entertaining. I agree with your assessment entirely - if Daka turns into the striker we hope he is, this will go down as a seminal transfer window for the club.

I’m smiling like Patson Daka reading these posts!

 

Think I’ll give the forward somersault a miss though!

[sacreblueits442]

10 hours ago, Silver surfer 1 said:

Chris Richards is another foffana .  The team is bursting with talent .  

...he reminds me of JJ...!!!

You feel he can play anywhere on the pitch and has an electrifying effect on the game.

  We either get someone to organise the Backline or get this chap in.

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Want to see consistency from Soumare. He was diabolical v Legia and not great for 45 today. Second half he was dominant and was the exact player we’ve signed - a central midfield who can carry the ball 

He's young and he's going to take time to get up to our speed of play. I think I said he looked lackadaisical a few times, I've already seen a big improvement in that. So I'm sure it's just an adjustment into higher tempo football of the premier league. 

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I think Bertrand mainly played as a stay at home CB in a 3 last season, so I don't see how you can assess his creativity from that. If he can get back to his pre-covid form he will be a decent option.

 

Hahahaaaa no he didn't, he didn't play a single game in that position. 33 games at left back and 1 at right back.

[Vardinio'sCat]

3 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Hahahaaaa no he didn't, he didn't play a single game in that position. 33 games at left back and 1 at right back.

 

I'm very sorry, my mistake he was the stay at home full back, like Simpson was for us. The young fella on the other side bombed on

 

So your point is still wrong. Hahahaaa!

 

 

[Ric Flair]

6 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I'm very sorry, my mistake he was the stay at home full back, like Simpson was for us. The young fella on the other side bombed on

 

So your point is still wrong. Hahahaaa!

 

 

Stay at home for a reason, has a nosebleed when he crosses the half way line.

[Vardinio'sCat]

On 21/10/2021 at 13:24, Ric Flair said:

Stay at home for a reason, has a nosebleed when he crosses the half way line.

 

Fairy snuff, you carry more football in your head than I do by a factor of ten, so I'm happy to call it a score draw.

 

[turtmcfly]

On 20/10/2021 at 22:08, Cardiff_Fox said:

Want to see consistency from Soumare. He was diabolical v Legia and not great for 45 today. Second half he was dominant and was the exact player we’ve signed - a central midfield who can carry the ball 

 

This seems to have been accepted on here without further comment. 

 

I thought he had a good first half.

 

That is my comment. 

 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, turtmcfly said:

 

This seems to have been accepted on here without further comment. 

 

I thought he had a good first half.

 

That is my comment. 

 

I second that emotion comment

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, turtmcfly said:

 

This seems to have been accepted on here without further comment. 

 

I thought he had a good first half.

 

That is my comment. 

 

Agree

I cant see where he was anyway near diabolical...

Any player, playing average to decent, seems to be the Signature for poor ratings on FT...

Bloody god help Leic'shire job applicants, if These guys Work in HR, or job-control...

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Bertrand is a steady player as back up and to play in the cups - he will also pass knowledge on to help progress JJ and Thomas.

 

I can see Vestergaard best used from the bench. If we are entering the latter stages of a game and the opposition are going direct he’ll be a good man there to head everything away. We may well see this on Sunday 

[Vardinio'sCat]

14 hours ago, turtmcfly said:

 

This seems to have been accepted on here without further comment. 

 

I thought he had a good first half.

 

That is my comment. 

 

 

I thought he did seem a bit peripheral at times in the first half. I spent a period watching for someone to actually give him the ball with no success. He was showing, doing the movement and getting stuck in when he could, but the ball was going through Youri mainly.

 

It might of been tactical effects, but he just got stronger and stronger in the second half, and you can already see that Youri trusts him in tight areas.

[sacreblueits442]

56 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Bertrand is a steady player as back up and to play in the cups - he will also pass knowledge on to help progress JJ and Thomas.

 

I can see Vestergaard best used from the bench. If we are entering the latter stages of a game and the opposition are going direct he’ll be a good man there to head everything away. We may well see this on Sunday 

...a pretty much Rodgers move!!!

I would rather we concentrated on stopping the ball coming in, than bringing someone on "cold" to defend, when that player is not up to speed with the game. 

The only signal that sends to your own team is a negative one, which leaves the team dropping off to defend, and then that invites more pressure.

[Jazzy_Jeff]

Just now, sacreblueits442 said:

...a pretty much Rodgers move!!!

I would rather we concentrated on stopping the ball coming in, than bringing someone on "cold" to defend, when that player is not up to speed with the game. 

The only signal that sends to your own team is a negative one, which leaves the team dropping off to defend, and then that invites more pressure.

I’m talking purely as a like for like switch. If we’re playing with a 3 I’d rather Jan be in there dealing with long balls than Cags. 

[Hamilton Fox]

Football can change minds so quickly, it was only two weeks ago this was the worst window ever with only Lookman looking the part. Now he’s not even in the team and it was one of the best windows bar the two ex saints.

[Ric Flair]

1 hour ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

Bertrand is a steady player as back up and to play in the cups - he will also pass knowledge on to help progress JJ and Thomas.

 

I can see Vestergaard best used from the bench. If we are entering the latter stages of a game and the opposition are going direct he’ll be a good man there to head everything away. We may well see this on Sunday 

Except he's crap in the air?

[sacreblueits442]

35 minutes ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

I’m talking purely as a like for like switch. If we’re playing with a 3 I’d rather Jan be in there dealing with long balls than Cags. 

....according to the majority of the post on here...Vestergaard is weak contesting aerially and obviously slower than Soyuncu on the ground!!!

  It would be a brave decision to put Vestergaard ahead of Soyuncu in that scenario. 

[Duquesne Whistle]

1 hour ago, Jazzy_Jeff said:

I can see Vestergaard best used from the bench. If we are entering the latter stages of a game and the opposition are going direct he’ll be a good man there to head everything away. 

We should only use him in the completely opposite scenario, namely when we have 100% of the ball in the oppositions half and it's nowhere near our defensive third. 

He's clearly had a difficult start, I'm not sure throwing him on when teams are pushing more players up is going to enable him to gain confidence, more likely to have the polar opposite effect on him and the players around him. I'm loathe to completely write him off, it's still really early days, but the evidence so far paints an underwhelming picture. It would be good if we don't need to use him at all at the moment, wherever possible.

[Vardinio'sCat]

On 21/10/2021 at 13:24, Ric Flair said:

Stay at home for a reason, has a nosebleed when he crosses the half way line.

 

I had this thought about Bertrand and assists later in the day, you know how memory works, and for bantz I have just started reading the Bertrand signs thread. Let's see how we get on...

 

 

- Quite a lot of pleased posters after the surprise arrival, seems like a sensible free signing to pretty much everyone. Most of the regulars give an opinion. Nothing from yourself I notice, don't you normally give your opinions on signings and such matters?

 

- looked a bit porky in the first trainng shots, to general amusement.

 

- 3 weeks of no posts, all is quiet...

 

- 4 August vs Villareal -  Stryder weighs in with the first reaction to seeing him play. No one was excited by this signing but I’m getting serious Christian Fuchs vibes from Bertrand. Has slotted in seamlessly into the team, good at both ends and can deliver a great set piece.  Outstanding business and having him and Thomas till JJ gets back is excellent squad depth. Next post from Sol is one for you Ric, 2 assists straight away, excellent.

 

It really is funny because most are talking up his assist potential through dead ball deliverys, analysis of how he was used, loads of enthusiasm, discussion of his use as a stay at home full back with Ricky bombing on. People surprised at his speed/mobility. It's heady stuff this... I'm wondering when you are going to chip in. Perhaps you were on holiday.

 

Ahh, you didn't. In fact, you never comment on him at all, which surprises me.

 

- 14th August - Reported with covid and has been grim since.

 

- 25th September - Hallelujah! There you are with an opinion (3 months after his arrival), using the one assist from last season stat to compare him unfavourably with Thomas, when he already has 2 for us in pre-season. He has already been poor by this point, and FT opinion of him falls off a cliff, barely any mention of the covid is made in the pile on that ensues.

 

The only good thing from him playing is he prevented Thomas being repeatedly exposed in a failing defence, although of course it is possible Thomas's presence would have been a game changer. People have been raging about Bertrand starting with good reason, he has been pants, but Thomas is not consistent yet (Moses, Coufal etc), and will take damage from being humiliated repeatedly.

 

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In conclusion, with all due respect, you wanted someone else didn't you? Or maybe you are just a huge fan of young Luke. NB I'm not saying Bertrand should be playing now of course, just to be clear

 

One of the big problems in footy analysis (and why I got mixed up on his positioning) is that our simple idea of formations is a poor representation of what actually happens. I'm sure you understand this well. So last season Bertrand played in a four with the ball, and a 3 without. The assist stats compare him to conventional full backs (in a 4 with and without the ball) and attacking full backs.

 

It is not a fair comparison, it is comparing apples with oranges, and you know that.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ric Flair]

28 minutes ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

I had this thought about Bertrand and assists later in the day, you know how memory works, and for bantz I have just started reading the Bertrand signs thread. Let's see how we get on...

 

 

- Quite a lot of pleased posters after the surprise arrival, seems like a sensible free signing to pretty much everyone. Most of the regulars give an opinion. Nothing from yourself I notice, don't you normally give your opinions on signings and such matters?

 

- looked a bit porky in the first trainng shots, to general amusement.

 

- 3 weeks of no posts, all is quiet...

 

- 4 August vs Villareal -  Stryder weighs in with the first reaction to seeing him play. No one was excited by this signing but I’m getting serious Christian Fuchs vibes from Bertrand. Has slotted in seamlessly into the team, good at both ends and can deliver a great set piece.  Outstanding business and having him and Thomas till JJ gets back is excellent squad depth. Next post from Sol is one for you Ric, 2 assists straight away, excellent.

 

It really is funny because most are talking up his assist potential through dead ball deliverys, analysis of how he was used, loads of enthusiasm, discussion of his use as a stay at home full back with Ricky bombing on. People surprised at his speed/mobility. It's heady stuff this... I'm wondering when you are going to chip in. Perhaps you were on holiday.

 

Ahh, you didn't. In fact, you never comment on him at all, which surprises me.

 

- 14th August - Reported with covid and has been grim since.

 

- 25th September - Hallelujah! There you are with an opinion (3 months after his arrival), using the one assist from last season stat to compare him unfavourably with Thomas, when he already has 2 for us in pre-season. He has already been poor by this point, and FT opinion of him falls off a cliff, barely any mention of the covid is made in the pile on that ensues.

 

The only good thing from him playing is he prevented Thomas being repeatedly exposed in a failing defence, although of course it is possible Thomas's presence would have been a game changer. People have been raging about Bertrand starting with good reason, he has been pants, but Thomas is not consistent yet (Moses, Coufal etc), and will take damage from being humiliated repeatedly.

 

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In conclusion, with all due respect, you wanted someone else didn't you? Or maybe you are just a huge fan of young Luke. NB I'm not saying Bertrand should be playing now of course, just to be clear

 

One of the big problems in footy analysis (and why I got mixed up on his positioning) is that our simple idea of formations is a poor representation of what actually happens. I'm sure you understand this well. So last season Bertrand played in a four with the ball, and a 3 without. The assist stats compare him to conventional full backs (in a 4 with and without the ball) and attacking full backs.

 

It is not a fair comparison, it is comparing apples with oranges, and you know that.

 

 

 

 

 

I was very vocal about Bertrand, I said he'd declined massively and then we signed him and he had a blinder vs Villareal 😂

 

But friendlies don't really count do they and posy that game when he's then gone on to get covid it's been a disaster class in dog shit football from him.

 

I'm surprised you can't find the posts from me, I got challenged for being very negative pre and post him signing. You say I wanted someone else, absolutely I did if it was Bertrand or nothing.