Brentford 1-2 LCFC - Post Match Thread

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, Ross 'LCFC' Turner said:

Under two different names  Mathias Jørgensen scored for Huddersfield, where has Zanka come from all of a sudden?

i think it was a nickname from a coach

[HighPeakFox]

I'm just gutted we lost to Brentford.

 

Oh we didn't? Surely we can't be picking a fight for the sake of it....?

 

Edited 26 October 2021 by HighPeakFox

[OntarioFox]

Just to note regarding those wanky statistics from the Bees fan, if Youri is only due two or three bangers a season and he's had two in the space of a week, we might as well sell in the January window while his stock is high. 

 

Mate, everyone is enjoying Brentford's start, but your small time mentality is showing. You don't need to explain away a loss with xG, possession or pies sold at half time. We spent a few seasons laughing Spurs fans out of the room for similar mental gymnastics.

 

Just focus on the footy and maybe consider all those chances Toney didn't put away as the reason for losing. We had two proper chances and buried them - and no, there was nothing lucky about Youri's thunderbolt, he's been doing that his whole career.

 

We all acknowledge it was a bit of a shithouse win, but the cliche of 'needing to take chances at this level' is absolutely true. We did, Brentford didn't, we win.

Edited 26 October 2021 by OntarioFox

[Dahnsouff]

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but there was this poster on Griffin Park forum who asked "I was wondering if anyone would be able to identity 3 men who decided to attack my 69 year old mother, nephew and brother yesterday evening. I do not know if they came from the football or was involved at all in the football but just in case they were (one man seems to be wearing some lanyard of some sort) "

 

Link here https://griffinpark.org/index.php?threads/attack-after-football.136313/

 

Just in case anyone was hanging around and saw anything

 

[NewBee]

6 hours ago, Bristol fox .... said:

Just watched this video and i haven’t changed my mind. its still the worst new build ive seen imo.

Whether you like it or not, the point is that the design followed the constraints of the site, not the other way round.

 

In simple terms, there was no other way they could fit in a 17-20k capacity stadium in that location, whilst still complying with all the different requirements for a PL stadium in 2020/21.

 

And that location offered the only possible site for a stadium within Brentford TW8.

6 hours ago, Bristol fox .... said:

im sure it will look magnificent in a few years once expansion is complete for when you welcome all those bored chelsea fans. Good luck with that one 

Barring a possible few hundred extra seats, it is physically and legally impossible to expand the capacity beyond the present limit.

Edited 26 October 2021 by NewBee

[NewBee]

13 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Dude, that’s a seriously weak argument. That’s like saying oh Messi scored all those wonderful goals because he ran really fast past people but it was lucky as sometimes he may get tackled.

Actually, it's nothing like Messi. Messi scored 672 goals for Barca in 778 games for Barca, many of them "wonderful". In other words, he did it all the time.

 

Whereas fine player that he is, YT does not score his wonder goals all the time.

13 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

Franks seems to have the mentality of other managers who have failed in the prem.

TF hasn't "failed" or "succeeded" in the PL - he's managed 9 PL games, for goodness sake!

 

But whether you like it or not, his demenour hasn't changed since he managed in the Champiomnship, one aspect of which is telling it as he sees it.

13 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

They’ll struggle after Christmas, after the bounce wears off unless they fix that.

We'll see.

[Fox92]

9 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Actually, it's nothing like Messi. Messi scored 672 goals for Barca in 778 games for Barca, many of them "wonderful". In other words, he did it all the time.

 

Whereas fine player that he is, YT does not score his wonder goals all the time.

 

Most of, if not all, Tielemans goals for us have been great goals.

I heard Frank called it a fluke. Did he not see the FA Cup winning goal last season?

[NewBee]

6 hours ago, Unabomber said:

They should appreciate Youri’s goal if anything. Absolute insult to say it was luck and it has all stemmed from their weird manager.

Except that he didn't say it was "lucky", since everyone knows that YT has that sort of goal in his armoury.

 

But we also know that he only brings it out 2 or 3 times a season.

 

Meaning that it was unlucky for BFC that this happened to be one of those times, and in a game which was otherwise even. (That is, had either team been 2 or 3 goals ahead, the goal would have been appreciated solely on its own merits, outwith its significance on the result.)

 

Anyhow, I fully understand why YT is such a favourite of yours, and why you want to support your guy. But from knowing how TF works, I genuinely believe some of you are seeing offence in his comment where none was intended.

[Finnegan]

9 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Except that he didn't say it was "lucky", since everyone knows that YT has that sort of goal in his armoury.

 

But we also know that he only brings it out 2 or 3 times a season.

 

Meaning that it was unlucky for BFC that this happened to be one of those times, and in a game which was otherwise even. (That is, had either team been 2 or 3 goals ahead, the goal would have been appreciated solely on its own merits, outwith its significance on the result.)

 

Anyhow, I fully understand why YT is such a favourite of yours, and why you want to support your guy. But from knowing how TF works, I genuinely believe some of you are seeing offence in his comment where none was intended.

 

I don't think it's a damming indictment of Frank that he said what he did, he was frustrated having lost a close game and he had a bit of a dig. I don't think it was greatly malicious but I also don't think it was lost in translation, either. He did mean to imply it was a bit of a hit and hope, although I imagine he'd regret that when he calmed down a bit. 

 

And of course he only does that a few times a season, how many players are scoring double digit worldies? Even someone like Ruben Neves who takes about a thousand pot shots a match only scores a handful a year. 

 

To use it as a defence of your team and imply it was genuinely luck implies that under normal circumstances you could afford to not close down said player and ninety nine times out of a hundred it won't come back to bite you in the arse. 

 

Given that Tielemans has scored several high profile goals from outside of the box this calendar year, including one in the very last league game before facing Brentford, we can definitely say it was far more telegraphed than fluke. 

 

You want to see a shit player with no previous hit a genuine fluke, watch this. 

 

 

 

He's right footed BTW. 

[NewBee]

5 hours ago, suffolk fox said:

which is quite remarkable considering they have done away entirely with their youth team set up.

Which is another example of BFC having to do things differently from most other sides who enjoy greater resources etc (David vs Goliath again).

 

Basically when the new Academy set-up was introduced, BFC's owners spent millions on a new facility and tie-up with a local college etc, such that it was one of only two Category B Academies outside the top two divisions. (We were in League One then). And initially it was looking very promising.

 

Then in return for bunging a few quid to the EFL, the PL changed the Academy transfer riules so that the maximum they'd have to pay to sign a youngsterr from another Academy would be £50k. BFC immediately lost Poveda to Man City and Hardy to Liverpool for that amount, when previously they could reasonably have expected £500k for each one.

 

So refusing, as ever,  to succumb to the Sunken Cost Fallacy, out owner said "Fvck that, I'm not going to spend millions developing players for the big boys to poach" and so closed it down.

 

Then looking around for a replacement, the club came up with the idea of the "B" Team. For they had seen that every year, even the top Academies release players at 17 or 18 before they know for certain whether they'll make it or not. And since different players develop at different rates, the club concluded that you need to see a player in at least 25 senior games before you can be certain that they'll make it or not. And unless they've been allowed to go out on loan, the vast majority of teenagers never get anything like that many games.

 

Therefore the "B" team takes a second look at the pick of these "rejects", gives them top coaching and facilites and gives them regular games against a whole host of different opponents, at both home and abroad. Of course many of them still don't make it, but at least they've been given a proper chance, with a number stil going on to make a career in the lower leagues, or as semi-professionals.

 

As for those that are kept on, the "B" team has been abig  success, with over a dozen players going on to play for the 1st team in more than 5 games.

 

As a result, other teams like Huddersfield and QPR have started to copy the idea.

[CosbehFox]

Concerned about the growing injury list @NewBee? A further two injuries on Sunday and a question mark over Raya. Feel for you on that after our last two years with injuries 

[NewBee]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Concerned about the growing injury list @NewBee? A further two injuries on Sunday and a question mark over Raya. Feel for you on that after our last two years with injuries 

Yep.

 

Particularly when I said to my mate before the game that while I thought our 1st XI could compete against Leicester, our bench was nothing like as good as yours - and so it proved.

 

It's a tricky one. On the one hand, the club likes to plan its transfer strategy each summer and at least 12 months in advance. While the January window never offers value (we've occasionally sold for a good price then, but very rarely bought). And more generally, the club will continue to work within its budget, rather than panic and go on a splurge at the first sign of trouble.

 

On the other hand, if we look to have been especially unlucky with injuries early on in the season, it might just be worth taking a punt in the market to tide us over temporarily?

 

My guess is that they'll stick with the original plan for this season and trust that we'll get by with what we've got.

[Mickyblueeyes]

1 hour ago, NewBee said:

Actually, it's nothing like Messi. Messi scored 672 goals for Barca in 778 games for Barca, many of them "wonderful". In other words, he did it all the time.

 

Whereas fine player that he is, YT does not score his wonder goals all the time.

TF hasn't "failed" or "succeeded" in the PL - he's managed 9 PL games, for goodness sake!

 

But whether you like it or not, his demenour hasn't changed since he managed in the Champiomnship, one aspect of which is telling it as he sees it.

We'll see.

Point 1: The thing is Youri has scored fantastic wonder goals before - see FA Cup final and Man United the week before. His career (he's only 24!) is littered with quality long range efforts. So the comment was poor judgement - it proves the point that there was limited background knowledge behind it. 

 

Point 2: That's an issue. He is blaming shortcomings on "luck" and not what they are - shortcomings. Its happened so often. New team, bright ideas, full of energy, gives it and go and bang, down they go. He need's to recognise that for a team which did have a good amount of possession, they very rarely threatened Kasper and that is a concern. Teams who are dominant in this division - win. That's not luck, its quality. I dont know Franks and I dont know what his credentials are but it is an observation that when things dont go right, he starts picking on the luck argument. Sometimes managers do that to keep morale up but he was fuming and gives me every indication that he believes that success comes down to luck. It doesnt always. Yes, a shot may take a big deflection or you could get the odd injury at the wrong time but if he truly believes his side were so great on Sunday, I would be very concerned that they managed 5 shots on target all game. With 2 in the opening minutes and 1 being the goal that means his "rampant" side managed to test Kasper's hands twice and that's after going down 1-0 in the 14th minute.  So if from seeing that, he believes in what he is saying, there is a problem. 

[NewBee]

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Point 1: The thing is Youri has scored fantastic wonder goals before - see FA Cup final and Man United the week before. His career (he's only 24!) is littered with quality long range efforts. So the comment was poor judgement - it proves the point that there was limited background knowledge behind it. 

Simple question: How many 'worldies' of that standard do you reckon YT has scored in his Leicester career? (Don't need the exact figure, an approximation will do)

11 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

 

Point 2: That's an issue. He is blaming shortcomings on "luck" and not what they are - shortcomings. Its happened so often. New team, bright ideas, full of energy, gives it and go and bang, down they go. He need's to recognise that for a team which did have a good amount of possession, they very rarely threatened Kasper and that is a concern. Teams who are dominant in this division - win. That's not luck, its quality. I dont know Franks and I dont know what his credentials are but it is an observation that when things dont go right, he starts picking on the luck argument. Sometimes managers do that to keep morale up but he was fuming and gives me every indication that he believes that success comes down to luck. It doesnt always. Yes, a shot may take a big deflection or you could get the odd injury at the wrong time but if he truly believes his side were so great on Sunday, I would be very concerned that they managed 5 shots on target all game. With 2 in the opening minutes and 1 being the goal that means his "rampant" side managed to test Kasper's hands twice and that's after going down 1-0 in the 14th minute.  So if from seeing that, he believes in what he is saying, there is a problem. 

You say yourself that: "I dont know Franks and I dont know what his credentials are..."

 

Yet on the evidence of one game and one off-the-cuff post-match remark, you talk like you have the mark of the man and give him advice, including on his "problem"?

 

(Note that nowhere in my posts have I once commented on your club, players or manager, only Brentford's, since it would be arrogant of me to believe I know more about Leicester than fans like you.)

Edited 26 October 2021 by NewBee

[Chocolate Teapot]

2 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Simple question: How many 'worldies' of that standard do you reckon YT has scored in his Leicester career? (Don't need the exact figure, an approximation will do)

I suspect that before Sunday, you knew little or nothing about TF.

 

Yet on the evidence of one game and one off-the-cuff post-match remark, you reckon that you have the mark of the man, including his "problem"?

 

(Note that nowhere in my posts have I once commented on your club, players or manager, only Brentford's, since it would be arrogant of me to believe I know more about Leicester than fans like you.)

Frank was emotional and frustrated which is understandable. He may have to get used to the fact that this happens in the pl though, same happened to us the previous week with Greenwood.

 

I doubt he says that if De Bruyne scores that goal when the reality is youri has probably scored more worldies or a similar amount. Its a silly line really, the best clubs in the world are lining up to sign him for a reason. He does that reasonably frequently for a midfielder and it's hardly a one off.

[NewBee]

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Frank was emotional and frustrated which is understandable. He may have to get used to the fact that this happens in the pl though, same happened to us the previous week with Greenwood.

Fair enough.

 

7 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

 

I doubt he says that if De Bruyne scores that goal when the reality is youri has probably scored more worldies or a similar amount. Its a silly line really, the best clubs in the world are lining up to sign him for a reason. He does that reasonably frequently for a midfielder and it's hardly a one off.

Obviously it's not a "one-off", but once again I ask, how many such worldies has he scored for you?

 

Peoples reluctance to provide an estimate suggests to me that it must be pretty infrequent.

 

Which, I hasten to add, should in no way detract from what a fine player he is, since no-one else really scores that kind of goal very frequently.

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Fair enough.

 

Obviously it's not a "one-off", but once again I ask, how many such worldies has he scored for you?

 

Peoples reluctance to provide an estimate suggests to me that it must be pretty infrequent.

 

Which, I hasten to add, should in no way detract from what a fine player he is, since no-one else really scores that kind of goal very frequently.

I get your point, but the fact you say that no-one else scores such goals frequently means the fact that Youri has scored a number (and since you asked, I can think of 5 straight off the top of my head) means it was rather less flukey than one might suppose - and this from a deep-lying midfielder too.

[Chocolate Teapot]

9 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Fair enough.

 

Obviously it's not a "one-off", but once again I ask, how many such worldies has he scored for you?

 

Peoples reluctance to provide an estimate suggests to me that it must be pretty infrequent.

 

Which, I hasten to add, should in no way detract from what a fine player he is, since no-one else really scores that kind of goal very frequently.

Sorry but probably because it's flipping obvious to us. Watch the twitter reel. Hes literally a specialist in it, has been all his career.

 

It's up there with his best for us but then only a few months ago he did it in the fa cup final, there's countless other examples for Belgium too and others for us.

 

Frank is either being thick, disrespectful or he hasn't done his research. None of those reflect that well on him but I'd suggest he's just frustrated - he's just becoming aware of the level he's at.

 

Zettergol (@ZTG_14) Tweeted: Youri Tielemans - Art of Longshot https://t.co/WUHvaKx3sP

 

 

[NewBee]

4 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I get your point, but the fact you say that no-one else scores such goals frequently means the fact that Youri has scored a number (and since you asked, I can think of 5 straight off the top of my head) means it was rather less flukey than one might suppose - and this from a deep-lying midfielder too.

Once again, I'm not claiming he was "lucky", since he's clearly got it in him to produce a goal like that every now and again.

 

What I'm saying - and I think TF was trying to say - was that it was unlucky for Brentford that he produced one in our game, since not only does it not happen very often, but it was also enough to make the difference between a draw and a defeat. (That is, had the final margin been 2 goals or more, the goal would have just as special, but not so significant.)

[HighPeakFox]

3 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Once again, I'm not claiming he was "lucky", since he's clearly got it in him to produce a goal like that every now and again.

 

What I'm saying - and I think TF was trying to say - was that it was unlucky for Brentford that he produced one in our game, since not only does it not happen very often, but it was also enough to make the difference between a draw and a defeat. (That is, had the final margin been 2 goals or more, the goal would have just as special, but not so significant.)

Yes that seems fair enough - I'm sure on reflection he'd probably put it slightly differently now, and there is always the risk that speaking in your non-native tongue can lead to misunderstandings too. Plus a small proportion of us seem absolutely determined to be offended anyway...

[NewBee]

5 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Sorry but probably because it's flipping obvious to us. Watch the twitter reel. Hes literally a specialist in it, has been all his career.

I did watch the reel and I counted 5 (possibly 6?) scored in Leicester's colours.

 

Even bearing in mind that that reel might have missed some more, nonetheless a tally of 8 or 10(?) in 122 Leicester games whilst actually highly impressive, is also pretty infrequent.

 

Which makes us a bit unlucky that he plucked one of of the bag against us, and especially in a game which would otherwise have finished level..

 

But I can see that some people in here are never going to accept that clear, statistical fact, sio I'll leave it there.

[Mickyblueeyes]

46 minutes ago, NewBee said:

Simple question: How many 'worldies' of that standard do you reckon YT has scored in his Leicester career? (Don't need the exact figure, an approximation will do)

You say yourself that: "I dont know Franks and I dont know what his credentials are..."

 

Yet on the evidence of one game and one off-the-cuff post-match remark, you talk like you have the mark of the man and give him advice, including on his "problem"?

 

(Note that nowhere in my posts have I once commented on your club, players or manager, only Brentford's, since it would be arrogant of me to believe I know more about Leicester than fans like you.)

It’s based on his post match interviews where results haven’t gone his way. I thought you played well in the first half. You were composed and moved it well. However, you didn’t create much and in the second half and were schooled. Like I said, 3 shots on target after going 1-0 down is not a battering. It’s especially disappointing given we took the lead so early. I can remember 3 of those 5 chances. Two where you tested Kasper and one was the goal. That’s where the issue is. Compare that to 6 of ours playing counter attack with heavy legs. 2 goals. An effort from Maddison, one from soumare and one where Ayoze was just inches away from making it 3-1. That leaves 1 shot I can’t recall. We had the same problem for 3 quarters of the season when we came up. Great hustle, little actual impact where it made a difference. It may click for you too. 

[filbertway]

hilarious seeing so many fans cry over a fair comment 

 

I have no doubt that Frank would be happy to say what he said again. 

 

Youri should be bagging 40 a season outside the box based on how people are going on about his ability. Apparently its no issue smashing one top corner. Just keep having long range shots and 1 or 2 will definitely go in every game.

 

Funnily enough plenty of people were giving Youri plenty of stick the past few weeks, id love to see if there's any overlap haha

[bmt]

To be fair he'd probably score a few more if people kept not closing him down haha 

[Chocolate Teapot]

40 minutes ago, NewBee said:

I did watch the reel and I counted 5 (possibly 6?) scored in Leicester's colours.

 

Even bearing in mind that that reel might have missed some more, nonetheless a tally of 8 or 10(?) in 122 Leicester games whilst actually highly impressive, is also pretty infrequent.

 

Which makes us a bit unlucky that he plucked one of of the bag against us, and especially in a game which would otherwise have finished level..

 

But I can see that some people in here are never going to accept that clear, statistical fact, sio I'll leave it there.

Ah right so goals for us count only.... 

 

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