Why is nobody on the back post for corners?

[Guest StevieLynex]

Need Kasper to bulk up a bit so that he can come for a few crosses:

 

[Guest StevieLynex]

9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

But they haven’t. Man U and Everton for example are as bad for set piece goals 

Fair point, but Maguire cannot defend at all, so that's not a fair comparison

[l444ry]

24 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

my analysis of yesterdays defensive errors

 

the first goal Castagne is in front of Rudiger so cant back off, it's Wilf who should be attacking the space, he has full view of the flight of the ball and can see Rudiger in front of him, he just jumps in the air to head and imaginable ball instead of challanging rudiger.

 

the third Pulisic peels off on the blind side of Evans, Amartey has full sight of him and doesn't react, just satnds there until it's too late.

 

the second Soyuncu doesn't come across to close the space, he stays out too wide, it's bizare.

 

It seems a mixture of laziness and confusion, whatever they're being taught, they just aren't getting it which is why i think we need to play 4 at the back and scrap the zonal marking

That's a strange view. In fairness it was a well worked corner with Rudiger coming off the line unexpectedly. Castagne seemed to be taken by surprise but has to hold his hands up as it was his ball to win......but didn;t.

[l444ry]

18 minutes ago, StevieLynex said:

Looks like most of the other coaches in the Premier League have worked out what to do, apart from BR

Just don't think this would be a problem if we had Taggart, Walsh and Elliot defending. It's about desire to be first to the ball whatever system you wanna adopt at corners.

[Guest StevieLynex]

Kasper and Cags please take note

 

[Heskey2011]

Couldn't we rotate it?

Like 1st corner man marking. 2nd corner zonal, 3rd man on the back post with an outlet, 4th whatever it is they are doing now. 

 

Seems to me like we've been figured out, they know what we're doing so we're terribly predictable.

If we don't know what we are doing corner to corner how can they predict it?

 

[Jonezy]

If you watch all goals from this weekend's games, you will see a lot of goals from corners. Everybody concedes them, its just we concede them a bit more and generally look poor defending them. Its an obvious weakness for us and its unreal we just do not seem to get better at it.

[jammie82uk]

3 hours ago, splinterdream said:

my analysis of yesterdays defensive errors

 

the first goal Castagne is in front of Rudiger so cant back off, it's Wilf who should be attacking the space, he has full view of the flight of the ball and can see Rudiger in front of him, he just jumps in the air to head and imaginable ball instead of challanging rudiger.

 

the third Pulisic peels off on the blind side of Evans, Amartey has full sight of him and doesn't react, just satnds there until it's too late.

 

the second Soyuncu doesn't come across to close the space, he stays out too wide, it's bizare.

 

It seems a mixture of laziness and confusion, whatever they're being taught, they just aren't getting it which is why i think we need to play 4 at the back and scrap the zonal marking

Noticed this yesterday while at the game and seen this earlier, we are suffering from conceding near post corners so why are our arguably best headers of the ball all towards the back post 

 

[drofmor55]

The best i've seen at defending corners was Leo Ulloa..he stood at the front of the six yard box and cleared anything that came  his way. With Huth and Morgan behind him blocking any runners(with somewhat dubious tactics that VAR would probably pick up on nowdays). All our forwards now are not particuarly tall or good headers of the ball, Vardy,Barnes,Perez,Lookman,Kelechi,Maddison and as such are not much use when it comes to defending corners. Maybe  its time to find ourselves a big striker ? but this seems to go against Brendans style of playing or failing this we should play Vestergard and get him to guard the front of the six yard box. For all his faults ,we cant carry on conceding a goal a game in almost identical circumstances. 

 

[drofmor55]

17 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

Noticed this yesterday while at the game and seen this earlier, we are suffering from conceding near post corners so why are our arguably best headers of the ball all towards the back post 

 

Agree...Ndidi should be at the front of the six yard box and Kasper should cover the area where Ndidi currently stands. 

[Ric Flair]

Am I right in thinking that nearly every goal we've conceded from a corner / free kick this season would have been cleared if we did have someone on the far post?

 

It's astonishing. Don't even need to change from zonal marking, just get Vardy away from manning the near post area as his flick ons in to our danger zone are lethal and get Castagne on the far post. 

[eunmac]

Who doesn't love a good goal line clearance? 
It does seems like having a defender somewhere between the ball and the net enables this voodoo magic to happen. 
 

 

[st albans fox]

5 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Am I right in thinking that nearly every goal we've conceded from a corner / free kick this season would have been cleared if we did have someone on the far post?

 

It's astonishing. Don't even need to change from zonal marking, just get Vardy away from manning the near post area as his flick ons in to our danger zone are lethal and get Castagne on the far post. 

I’m pretty sure that apart from Brentford, they all go in because they’re too high for a back post defender to get to them. We are from enough with near post headers going directly in - having someone on the back post is an open invitation to drive the corner at head height and flick on which will be an even larger car crash ! 

[Gazza3]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m pretty sure that apart from Brentford, they all go in because they’re too high for a back post defender to get to them. We are from enough with near post headers going directly in - having someone on the back post is an open invitation to drive the corner at head height and flick on which will be an even larger car crash ! 

I disagree can t remember any going right in top corner . Man on the line clears . Makes a massive difference as 3 times at home it’s been the first goal 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

I disagree can t remember any going right in top corner . Man on the line clears . Makes a massive difference as 3 times at home it’s been the first goal 

I disagree with you - unless your fella is well over 6 ft and actually not stood on the back post but a 2 yards in from that ……  which he wouldn’t be … on both counts …..

 

here are the last two - which were the others 

 

[HEGGSY]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I disagree with you - unless your fella is well over 6 ft and actually not stood on the back post but a 2 yards in from that ……  which he wouldn’t be … on both counts …..

 

here are the last two - which were the others 

 

Slightly different but maybe referring to JVs OG against Burnley? Flick on from the front post, no one on the back post

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, HEGGSY said:

Slightly different but maybe referring to JVs OG against Burnley? Flick on from the front post, no one on the back post

Same again - the back post player won’t be stood in the centre of the goal 

 

[st albans fox]

In light of the above photos , can we change the thread to be ‘why is no one stood in the middle of the goal for corners’ ??

 

 

[Guest Basildon Fox]

On 21/11/2021 at 12:33, Cardiff_Fox said:

Bingo 

It is not quite bingo though. There was no one within 3 yards of Rudiger except for Kasper before the ball was played in on Saturday.  He was able to walk to the space unmarked for a free header.  It was all too easy for him.  To be fair Kasper could and should have seen what was going to happen and made no attempt to stop it either.  Absolute shambles.

[foxinsocks]

Wouldnt it be nice to have a keeper who bossed the 6yrd area.

Time for ward to get a chance.

[oxford blue]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

Wouldnt it be nice to have a keeper who bossed the 6yrd area.

 

Yes, it would. Given that he does have a large physical presence and that he has been with us for over 10 years, I find it surprising this has not improved. A refection on goalkeeper coaching (?),, Kasper must have realised this as a weakness- and distribution. too. This does have an impact on central defenders too, particularly given number of recent (mainly enforced) changes. I do thik a goalkeeper who could dominate 6 yard area would have had a significant effect on goals conceded from corners.

His shot stopping ability is still as good as ever though.

[Gazza3]

3 hours ago, HEGGSY said:

Slightly different but maybe referring to JVs OG against Burnley? Flick on from the front post, no one on the back post

Player on back post may have seen it and moved towards the middle. Maybe ,maybe not. Other one is Brentford where it could have been kicked out by man on the post. I don't think any of them were in the top corner so a tall player at least may have stopped some of those silly goals. It's poor all round, on Sat 10 mins after 1st goal Chelsea had another corner and Rudiger did exactly the same thing but his header went wide. It's really poor on our behalf

[foxinsocks]

The reason that no one is on the back post is that we do not practice defending corners. 

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

Player on back post may have seen it and moved towards the middle. Maybe ,maybe not. Other one is Brentford where it could have been kicked out by man on the post. I don't think any of them were in the top corner so a tall player at least may have stopped some of those silly goals. It's poor all round, on Sat 10 mins after 1st goal Chelsea had another corner and Rudiger did exactly the same thing but his header went wide. It's really poor on our behalf

Brentford likely to have been stopped as ball went in at the back post. the others - i have shown you on the photos where the ball enters the goal. unless the guy on the back post is instructed to move off it towards the middle of the goal as the corner is taken he isn't stopping the three at home.  and then if the ball goes in past him at the back post (as it prob would at brentford) everyone is asking why he isnt there !!!

[jayfox26]

I could understand it if we were leaving one or 2 players up field to counter if we get the ball back but we put all 11 players in the box for corners and still don't have anyone on the post. I just don't understand why we keep making the same mistakes and not doing anything to stop it. This is why so many people are getting fed up with Rodgers. If we lose fine, but when we lose because we are constantly conceding stupid goals it's becoming a joke. We are too easy to play against at the moment and that is a serious worry. Brendan needs to get back to basics and make us tough to beat again. Genuinely don't think any of the 19 teams in the league fear playing us at the moment.