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Lako42

The Ashes 21/22

By Lako42, in General Football and Sport

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CrawlingFox

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We'll beat them here next time. Even if we can't summon up a semblance of batting resistance by then we'll just churn out five greentops that will not only see our medium pacers knock them over with an ancient Anderson picking up 30 odd wickets on his own but see the Aussies kicking up a right fuss. Cracks papered over until the next away tour.

Duquesne Whistle

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No team has ever lost more Tests in a calendar year than the nine defeats suffered by England in 2021.

 

England have been bowled out for under 150 a joint-record eight times this year.

 

England batters reached 25 runs 91 times in 2021. Root converted 10 of his 18 into half-centuries, including six three-figure scores. The rest made 22 fifties from 73 scores of 25, with just one hundred - Burns against New Zealand.

 

Joe Root is the only England player who has averaged more with the bat in 2021 than 2020. Burns' from a moderate 28 to an unspectacular 27, but most others have slumped dramatically - Sibley from 47 to 19, Crawley from 52 to 10, Stokes from 58 to 21, Pope from 43 to 21, Buttler from 38 to 25.

England still have only two players who have posted half-centuries in this Ashes.

 

Only three of England's 15 Tests this year did not feature a duck by one of their openers.

England's openers finished with a collective tally of 14 ducks in 2021

It took just 852.3 overs, the smallest quantity of cricket ever required for Australia to win the Ashes at home after a third Test lasting just 180 overs and four balls - also making this the earliest any team has ever lost a five-Test series.

England's quarter-to-half-century conversion rate of 35% is the worst by any team other than Bangladesh in their hapless early forays in Test cricket since 1999. No team that has played 10 Tests in a year has ever had a worse 25-to-50 conversion rate than England in 2021.

 

 

 

When you list it down, that makes for some reading. Not sure how anyone is keeping their jobs after the debacle of 2021.

Pandemic? Everyone had that to deal with. 

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Tommy Fresh

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Gary Kirsten throwing out he'd be interested in the job still but wouldn't want to coach all formats and thinks cricket boards should consider splitting coaching roles. Additionally he thinks the test side would be a good project. 

 

I think he has a point really, the white ball sides and the red ball ones are so different now (rather than those awful years where we just picked test players for all formats pretty much) that having different coaches wouldn't negatively impact the performances.

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Duquesne Whistle

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1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Gary Kirsten throwing out he'd be interested in the job still but wouldn't want to coach all formats and thinks cricket boards should consider splitting coaching roles. Additionally he thinks the test side would be a good project. 

 

I think he has a point really, the white ball sides and the red ball ones are so different now (rather than those awful years where we just picked test players for all formars pretty much) that having different coaches wouldn't negatively impact the performances.

Gary Kirsten was always a no nonsense batsmen. If he took that attitude into coaching the English test team, I think he'd be a success. Some of his resolute attitude is exactly what is required within English Test cricket, particularly the batting.

It might take him some time, and not everyone would be on board with his methods, but as long as he had the balls to weed out those not prepared to listen and put in the requisite effort, I think he'd do a good job. I do wonder sometimes how much interference there is around the England coach, so he'd have to be single minded and strong too. 

 

I can't help but agree that different coaches is the way forward. Test/one day (particularly T20), are completely different games really, with an entirely different emphasis in the two main disciplines (obviously good fielding is required in both), it therefore follows that the coaching outlook is different in both. Let's face it, there's not that many are experts in one area, let alone two or three. 

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Tommy Fresh

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21 minutes ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

Gary Kirsten was always a no nonsense batsmen. If he took that attitude into coaching the English test team, I think he'd be a success. Some of his resolute attitude is exactly what is required within English Test cricket, particularly the batting.

It might take him some time, and not everyone would be on board with his methods, but as long as he had the balls to weed out those not prepared to listen and put in the requisite effort, I think he'd do a good job. I do wonder sometimes how much interference there is around the England coach, so he'd have to be single minded and strong too. 

 

I can't help but agree that different coaches is the way forward. Test/one day (particularly T20), are completely different games really, with an entirely different emphasis in the two main disciplines (obviously good fielding is required in both), it therefore follows that the coaching outlook is different in both. Let's face it, there's not that many are experts in one area, let alone two or three. 

I've read before that he felt he was overlooked by the ECB because he wasn't massively clued up on the county game, even though at the time the selectors played the biggest part in picking the squad didn't they? At least before they let Silverwood take most of the control. Although with him saying he wouldn't agree to coach all 3 formats currently, I wonder whether that played a part in him not getting it back then.

 

I'd like Kirsten, coached at the highest level, as well as being a great player himself. 

 

I can't see the ECB ever being innovative enough to go for 3 separate coaches but I think they could push themselves to appointing a test coach and a white ball coach. The playing personel are so different they should be treated like separate entities really. Regardless at least the white ball squad selections reflect that now and long gone are the days of getting excited when we actually selected one or two good white ball players. 

 

Could see them going for someone like Andrew McDonald for the shorter formats...

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Duquesne Whistle

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1 hour ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Khawaja in for Travis Head, he's had a good season with Queensland and a decent record in test cricket which really highlights the quality difference in the squads.

 

 

He's a decent replacement. I was surprised he was edged out in the first place.

Broad replaces Robinson too. Robinson has bowled well for his first tests in Oz, but has a slight shoulder issue and probably deserves a rest with the series gone anyway.

Are you staying up to watch tonight? I'm feeling a little tight for throwing a paddy and getting rid of BT after the last test lol

Tommy Fresh

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4 hours ago, Duquesne Whistle said:

He's a decent replacement. I was surprised he was edged out in the first place.

Broad replaces Robinson too. Robinson has bowled well for his first tests in Oz, but has a slight shoulder issue and probably deserves a rest with the series gone anyway.

Are you staying up to watch tonight? I'm feeling a little tight for throwing a paddy and getting rid of BT after the last test lol

New Zealand Bangladesh looks likely to be a better days play so if we start badly I'll stick that on 😂

trabuch

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I know we aren't discussing the Ashes (a bit petty if you ask me - we rarely win in Australia). But is Leach really the best spinner we've got in England?

leicsmac

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50 minutes ago, trabuch said:

I know we aren't discussing the Ashes (a bit petty if you ask me - we rarely win in Australia). But is Leach really the best spinner we've got in England?

We've never really replaced Swann, and that for me is one of the main reasons for the Test decline.

 

A quality Test team must, apart from a couple of remarkable exceptions, have a quality spinner in this day and age.

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trabuch

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7 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

We've never really replaced Swann, and that for me is one of the main reasons for the Test decline.

 

A quality Test team must, apart from a couple of remarkable exceptions, have a quality spinner in this day and age.

I think sometimes you need to take a bit of a gamble. This England side feels like they are playing it safe - but we are still going to be whitewashed (more than likely) - just take a ****ing risk or two!

trabuch

trabuch

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3 hours ago, trabuch said:

I know we aren't discussing the Ashes (a bit petty if you ask me - we rarely win in Australia). But is Leach really the best spinner we've got in England?

I just woke up to see Jack Leach bowling utter shite (10 off the over). If I go to back to sleep maybe everything will be rosy in the morning. And Root has just taken a wicket (definitely not our best spin bowler)

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Bert

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This is just so painful. Get them 3 down with the hope of maybe skittling them for less than 300. Then we let a player who hasn’t been able to get in for them whack a century and now it looks like they’re probably gonna get 400 at least and I wouldn’t be surprised if they go on to make 450. Starc always seems to get a decent enough score against us as well. 

Bert

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4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

We've never really replaced Swann, and that for me is one of the main reasons for the Test decline.

 

A quality Test team must, apart from a couple of remarkable exceptions, have a quality spinner in this day and age.

Swann was that good it was going to be nigh on impossible to replace him. Australia have been lucky they’ve had Lyon to replace Warne. 

Tommy Fresh

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1 hour ago, Bert said:

This is just so painful. Get them 3 down with the hope of maybe skittling them for less than 300. Then we let a player who hasn’t been able to get in for them whack a century and now it looks like they’re probably gonna get 400 at least and I wouldn’t be surprised if they go on to make 450. Starc always seems to get a decent enough score against us as well. 

That's the difference in squads, it's not really a case of him not being able to get in for them more that their squad is better so much so that Khawaja hasn't been chosen before this test.

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