Next Game: Norwich (1st January 2022, at 15:00) - POSTPONED DUE TO A BUNCH OF SALADS

[TrickyTrevLeftPeg]

Couldn't they just postpone the game until Wednesday night (5th January ) that would have given Norwich a few extra days to get some players back to fulfill their quota?

[Les-TA-Jon]

10 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

I suspect I'm in the minority here (which isn't a problem) but I'm frankly relieved the fixture has been called off. A whole extra week off could do wonders for niggles, knocks and so forth, and the players were flat out after Liverpool. 

 

 

Agree. But it may prove to be a false economy if postponements mean playing loads of extra games in Jan

[Bourbon Fox]

9 hours ago, Vestan Pance said:

True, but just for clarity a vaccine does reduce the chances of all three.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

 

...maybe, but at the peak of infection a person's viral load is no lower with vaccination than without...

[st albans fox]

36 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

But not to Italy or France...

 

 

I assume it’s only coincidence that they don’t seem to be postponing so many games on the continent ???

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

 

...maybe, but at the peak of infection a person's viral load is no lower with vaccination than without...

It’s for a shorter time period which reduces the chances of it being passed on (and you are assuming that the vaccinated person has the same chance of being infected as the unvaccinated in the first place) 

 

see my post above re the continent and their covid issues 

[Bourbon Fox]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I assume it’s only coincidence that they don’t seem to be postponing so many games on the continent ???

A vaccination rate of 118% didn't stop Gibraltar from cancelling Christmas

[sylofox]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I assume it’s only coincidence that they don’t seem to be postponing so many games on the continent ???

That and winter breaks and a less extreme fixture list.

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, sylofox said:

That and winter breaks and a less extreme fixture list.

since the nov intnl break 
In France they played 6 league games in 33 days until their Xmas break 

In  Italy they played 7 league games in 31 days until their Xmas break 

in england we played 7 league games in 38 days up until now 

 

how many games did we have postponed in england  due to covid prior to Xmas ? 

 

HOWEVER, I don’t know the number of positive tests currently in French and Italian top flight clubs.  It’s possible that because they are now on their 2 week break, that protocols have lapsed and cases have increased. I wasn’t aware of that many positive cases or postponements prior to their breaks. 

[st albans fox]

14 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

A vaccination rate of 118% didn't stop Gibraltar from cancelling Christmas

cautious place with a v large population density. Their death rate from covid is 50% higher than here per million pop. It’s no surprise they took heavy precautions with the transmissibility of omicron and the lack of data. 
 

and 118% presumably takes into account many Spanish who come into their each day to work and have been jabbed in Gibraltar? 

[Bourbon Fox]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

cautious place with a v large population density. Their death rate from covid is 50% higher than here per million pop. It’s no surprise they took heavy precautions with the transmissibility of omicron and the lack of data. 
 

and 118% presumably takes into account many Spanish who come into their each day to work and have been jabbed in Gibraltar? 

It includes cross-border workers, yes.

 

The point I'm trying to make is, regarding Unabomber's original post that I quoted, twofold:

 

Given that the 'vaccine' doesn't provide immunity, and given that there is plenty of clinical evidence emerging that it causes damage to the endothelial lining of the circulatory system, allows T-cell penetration of the cardiac muscle, has links to thrombosis/myocarditis/pericarditis and so on (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712)...

 

Given those two points and the fact that there has never been a successful clinical trial of mRNA vaccine technology despite a good decade of research, we absolutely should not mandate vaccination for footballers, or anyone.

[adejo92]

I'm sure if I read the millions of posts on millions of threads covid related then I would find the answer, but, even if triple jabbed I'm sure there's still every chance of catching the virus.

 

I dont think the issue is players catching it, I think it is how they catch it.

 

It's probably the younger ones who are still going out to clubs, mixing with groups of friends in houses etc etc that are catching and then spreading it within the club.

 

Take our club for example, and i have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but I cant see it being the likes of Evans, Kasper etc that are bringing covid into the club. It's more likely the likes of Maddison etc who are being less careful.

 

[st albans fox]

32 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

It includes cross-border workers, yes.

 

The point I'm trying to make is, regarding Unabomber's original post that I quoted, twofold:

 

Given that the 'vaccine' doesn't provide immunity, and given that there is plenty of clinical evidence emerging that it causes damage to the endothelial lining of the circulatory system, allows T-cell penetration of the cardiac muscle, has links to thrombosis/myocarditis/pericarditis and so on (https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712)...

 

Given those two points and the fact that there has never been a successful clinical trial of mRNA vaccine technology despite a good decade of research, we absolutely should not mandate vaccination for footballers, or anyone.

In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group.

Btw, are you a scientist ?  what are the consequence/risks of T cell infiltration of the cardiac muscle? 

[Sly]

8 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I'm sure if I read the millions of posts on millions of threads covid related then I would find the answer, but, even if triple jabbed I'm sure there's still every chance of catching the virus.

 

I dont think the issue is players catching it, I think it is how they catch it.

 

It's probably the younger ones who are still going out to clubs, mixing with groups of friends in houses etc etc that are catching and then spreading it within the club.

 

Take our club for example, and i have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but I cant see it being the likes of Evans, Kasper etc that are bringing covid into the club. It's more likely the likes of Maddison etc who are being less careful.

 

Maddison has a young child, so I wouldn’t pin it on him. 

[st albans fox]

6 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I'm sure if I read the millions of posts on millions of threads covid related then I would find the answer, but, even if triple jabbed I'm sure there's still every chance of catching the virus.

 

I dont think the issue is players catching it, I think it is how they catch it.

 

It's probably the younger ones who are still going out to clubs, mixing with groups of friends in houses etc etc that are catching and then spreading it within the club.

 

Take our club for example, and i have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but I cant see it being the likes of Evans, Kasper etc that are bringing covid into the club. It's more likely the likes of Maddison etc who are being less careful.

 

I don’t know if madders is still in that group ….he has a young baby and may have moved on …..

[Bourbon Fox]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group.

Btw, are you a scientist ?  what are the consequence/risks of T cell infiltration of the cardiac muscle? 

Note that I said 'evidence is emerging' - the vaccine rollout under emergency use provisions amounts to a phase 3 trial being conducted en masse.

 

I'm not saying that the vaccine technology is unsafe, I'm saying that there is enough doubt about safety and efficacy to make us think twice about mandating it - although the idea of a government mandating any kind of medical treatment for any reason should be anathema and is specifically covered by the Siracusa Principles as well as the HRA.

 

The roles and mechanisms of T cell recruitment in the heart are complex and not fully understood, however misregulated or sustained T cell responses in the heart certainly contribute to heart failure - the lack of clarity and certainty here is, to me, all the more reason to tread carefully with the technology.

 

Btw, are you a football manager? You seem to spend an awful lot of time here having opinions, are you qualified? Or just a person with a functioning mind and an appropriate degree of intelligence?

 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Note that I said 'evidence is emerging' - the vaccine rollout under emergency use provisions amounts to a phase 3 trial being conducted en masse.

 

I'm not saying that the vaccine technology is unsafe, I'm saying that there is enough doubt about safety and efficacy to make us think twice about mandating it - although the idea of a government mandating any kind of medical treatment for any reason should be anathema and is specifically covered by the Siracusa Principles as well as the HRA.

 

The roles and mechanisms of T cell recruitment in the heart are complex and not fully understood, however misregulated or sustained T cell responses in the heart certainly contribute to heart failure - the lack of clarity and certainty here is, to me, all the more reason to tread carefully with the technology.

 

Btw, are you a football manager? You seem to spend an awful lot of time here having opinions, are you qualified? Or just a person with a functioning mind and an appropriate degree of intelligence?

 

Shame - I was hoping (from the tone and content of your post) that you were qualified to comment on a level higher than 99.999% of the rest of us here ….. 

[Bourbon Fox]

5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Shame - I was hoping (from the tone and content of your post) that you were qualified to comment on a level higher than 99.999% of the rest of us here ….. 

Play the ball, not the man.

 

Everything I've said is supported - a tramp on the street shouting through mouthfuls of Kestrel that City should man mark when defending corners might not be qualified, but he'd be correct.

 

I'd say the fact that I have explored alternative viewpoints offered by scientists who are every inch as qualified as the ones presented in the mainstream media means that at least in terms of diversity of sources I am more qualified than most to comment.

 

Mandatory vaccination is unconscionable for any number of moral, medical, ethical reasons. 

[reynard]

2 hours ago, TrickyTrevLeftPeg said:

Couldn't they just postpone the game until Wednesday night (5th January ) that would have given Norwich a few extra days to get some players back to fulfill their quota?

I don't think we would then have enough players available under the 13 and a keeper rule unless injured players would be fit. Once the AFCON guys leave (4th jan) we would be down to 12 outfield players from the squad list including Benkovic.

[CosbehFox]

Interested to see if European countries/leagues have the same issues in the coming weeks. There’s been a couple of games in Italy get called off but that’s about it. 
 

If they continue uninterrupted, it suggests that the behaviour and procedures set up by the English teams is useless 

[ParkerPen]

28 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

a tramp on the street shouting through mouthfuls of Kestrel

Still a better pundit than Jenas

[Notting your mums forest]

Didn’t Norwich make a request to postpone their game with West Ham prior to Christmas due to a covid outbreak. Then 2wks later they seemingly have another covid outbreak?! 
 

I’m self isolating so couldn’t make Saturdays game (if it was on), but I will go to the re-arranged fixture hopefully. But all a bit disappointing really. Completely subjective of course, but I believe the best outcome for LCFC would have been to play the fixture on the intended date. Yes, Norwich are short on players, but they’re certainly no worse off than us. Re-arranging later in January would be unfair as we would lose our AFCON players, which would help Norwich. Re-arranging for February onwards isn’t ideal either as LCFC have European commitments, whereas Norwich have nothing. Plus, what happens if Norwich go out and spend big in January and buy their way out of trouble (doubtful I know) and then when LCFC play Norwich in the re-arranged fixture their new signings go on to win the match for them? 
 

I guess what I’m trying to say is just get the game played FFS. If teams can’t play their 1st team, then they should be made to play their kids…

[leicesterseddon]

12 hours ago, Hollyfox said:

I think it's the fact it's Norwich that people are disappointed, as its 3 points most of us would be confident of getting. 

 

If it was West Ham, for example, I think fans would be happy it's called off as we would need to have a nearly full strength and fit squad to complete, which we haven't. 

Do we know yet when they are planning to rearrange the fixture, and how it interacts with the AFCON? 
 

Is there a chance we will play it without Ndidi, Amartey and Iheanacho, but before Daka/Vardy/Evans/Soyuncu return from their injuries? 
 

Norwich are one of only 4 Prem teams not to be losing players during the AFCON…

[Bourbon Fox]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

In conclusion, the mRNA vacs numerically increase (but not statistically tested) the markers IL-16, Fas, and HGF, all markers previously described by others for denoting inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle, in a consecutive series of a single clinic patient population receiving mRNA vaccines without a control group.

Btw, are you a scientist ?  what are the consequence/risks of T cell infiltration of the cardiac muscle? 

It is worth noting that the conclusion to that paper when published read,

 

'We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.'

[st albans fox]

10 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said:

It is worth noting that the conclusion to that paper when published read,

 

'We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.'

I 100% agree that taking an mRNA vaccine appears to increase cardiac risks (although 1 in a million is an increased risk)  - the question is way more complex than that though.  I’ve already commented in the covid thread that the emergence of omicron may well make the vastly increased threat of covid side effects over vaccine side effects a redundant argument for the vast majority. 
 

In years to come when this has washed through we will see factual conclusions and there will no doubt be a few ‘jeez, that was so obvious’ moments ….

[HighPeakFox]

1 hour ago, Bourbon Fox said:

Play the ball, not the man.

 

Everything I've said is supported - a tramp on the street shouting through mouthfuls of Kestrel that City should man mark when defending corners might not be qualified, but he'd be correct.

 

I'd say the fact that I have explored alternative viewpoints offered by scientists who are every inch as qualified as the ones presented in the mainstream media means that at least in terms of diversity of sources I am more qualified than most to comment.

 

Mandatory vaccination is unconscionable for any number of moral, medical, ethical reasons. 

I think, and I might be wrong, that you were being paid a compliment...