Open for Offers - allegedly

[Fox seen in Norwich]

2 hours ago, ARM1968 said:

The surprise will be if we get any offers. 

I suspect we’ll get lots of offers from clubs been promoted and clubs like say brentford or even clubs chewing for championship promotion…

… the surprise will be if the players prepared to drop down a div / drop down the the league and potentially drop a wage 

Edited 9 June 2022 by Fox seen in Norwich

[Grebfromgrebland]

12 minutes ago, Bptiger said:

Yes he more than a handy player, he is a keeper , as for the rest just sell for whatever u can get and get them of the books , no use paying there wages until there contracts run out then the walk away , if we want 10 million take 5 million just get them out the door 

You're getting your Mendy's mixed up. 

[Lako42]

I thought this meant the club

[mozartfox]

The Window opens today. 6 in and 6 out by 5pm tonight.

[Raw Dykes]

12 hours ago, UHDrive said:

I do believe cags is a UCL player and that he believes it too. I also think he lacks confidence on a general level and that that's why he's messed up a few too often.

Agreed. It won't shock me if he goes on to become one of the best CBs around. We saw what he's capable of in the 2019/20 season. He was unplayable.

 

I'm not sure why he's struggled so much recently. Could definitely be a confidence issue. I certainly don't think it helped that Evans didn't play much. I think he probably needs guidance on the pitch.

 

I think Cags is probably a bit immature, but he's got all the talent and pace needed to be a top player. If a club can put him in a settled team alongside an experienced leader or two and get him on form again, they'll be getting an absolute bargain this summer.

[FoxyLeon]

A decent coach would get a lot more out of Soyuncu especially, and possibly Soumare too.

The fact Rodgers is happy to get rid of both, should tell us all about his inability to improve players.

 

Just remember, Soyuncu was in the team of the season when he was first introduced into the squad, and the longer Rodgers has had to 'work' with him, the worse he has got.

[alanf0x]

I will start the bidding on Hamza…£100

[whitwickfox]

3 hours ago, alanf0x said:

I will start the bidding on Hamza…£100

all yours

 

[cropstonfox]

5 hours ago, FoxyLeon said:

A decent coach would get a lot more out of Soyuncu especially, and possibly Soumare too.

The fact Rodgers is happy to get rid of both, should tell us all about his inability to improve players.

 

Just remember, Soyuncu was in the team of the season when he was first introduced into the squad, and the longer Rodgers has had to 'work' with him, the worse he has got.

Rogers is   a top coach and player improver?

 

[scinnell]

23 hours ago, FoxyLeon said:

A decent coach would get a lot more out of Soyuncu especially, and possibly Soumare too.

The fact Rodgers is happy to get rid of both, should tell us all about his inability to improve players.

 

Just remember, Soyuncu was in the team of the season when he was first introduced into the squad, and the longer Rodgers has had to 'work' with him, the worse he has got.

Just like his inability to improve Maddison this season. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, scinnell said:

Just like his inability to improve Maddison this season. 

...I believe that Maddison just needed to get his head down and apply himself more!!!

 The fact that Grealish has surpassed him, and he (Maddison) could not just rely on his skills, to be enough to succeed. 

 

[StanSP]

So turns out the 'rebuild' involves putting players that weren't doing that well up for transfer? 

 

Wow. 

[scinnell]

1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I believe that Maddison just needed to get his head down and apply himself more!!!

 The fact that Grealish has surpassed him, and he (Maddison) could not just rely on his skills, to be enough to succeed. 

 

🎙| Rodgers Rodgers: "I spoke with him (Maddison) earlier this season about improving his game, he came to me with the courage on how to get better. 

"He did some extra work, had some time outside of the team, presses hard, runs hard, and you’re seeing the benefits of it now."

 

Top example of man management there. 

[FoxyLeon]

3 hours ago, scinnell said:

Just like his inability to improve Maddison this season. 

 

Or his inability to get anything out of him last season?

 

His improvement this season is no proof of a lasting improvement....

See the likes of Barnes/Iheanacho/Justin/Soyuncu who have all shown glimpses of improvement....But also shown signs of stagnation/going backwards.

 

You can't argue that the likes of Pereira/Ndidi/Soyuncu/Tielemans have declined.

[volpeazzurro]

On 10/06/2022 at 14:35, FoxyLeon said:

A decent coach would get a lot more out of Soyuncu especially, and possibly Soumare too.

The fact Rodgers is happy to get rid of both, should tell us all about his inability to improve players.

 

Just remember, Soyuncu was in the team of the season when he was first introduced into the squad, and the longer Rodgers has had to 'work' with him, the worse he has got.

Playing him on the extreme left of a three made him struggle. In a 2 with Evans and potentially Fofana and I think he'd be fine. He certainly a great option to bring in for either of them and Evans isn't going to be playing all season. Unless there's someone lined up I think to get rid is ridiculous. He may just want a new challenge himself of course which would be fair enough. 

[BKLFox]

54 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

Playing him on the extreme left of a three made him struggle. In a 2 with Evans and potentially Fofana and I think he'd be fine. He certainly a great option to bring in for either of them and Evans isn't going to be playing all season. Unless there's someone lined up I think to get rid is ridiculous. He may just want a new challenge himself of course which would be fair enough. 

Playing him in a 3 made him struggle 😂 

How many times have you heard a player say ,and let’s say a defender moved up front, I don’t care where I play I just want to play, help the team and I’ll do my best?

He had been asked to move over 6ft but essentially do his day job not 45ft and a different skill, the issue is with his head and it has been coming for sometime.

 

You want to keep a player we could get a few quid for that only has 1yr left on his contract?

[Guest Col city fan]

Soyuncu we’ll probably get interest in

Soumare I think will return to France

Vestie has said he wants to stay and fight for his place

Perez I think could go to a lower Prem team

And Bertrand… I think we’re stuck with him tbh

[volpeazzurro]

22 hours ago, BKLFox said:

Playing him in a 3 made him struggle 😂 

How many times have you heard a player say ,and let’s say a defender moved up front, I don’t care where I play I just want to play, help the team and I’ll do my best?

He had been asked to move over 6ft but essentially do his day job not 45ft and a different skill, the issue is with his head and it has been coming for sometime.

 

You want to keep a player we could get a few quid for that only has 1yr left on his contract?

Re the latter part regarding wanting to leave but, to address the issue. I remember an interview with John Terry who said precisely that. He found it a struggle to play the right centre half of a two compared to his usual 'left' at an elite level, this is not park football. With Soyuncu, we at time were asking an essentially right footed player to play almost left back as part of his job which was even worse. He struggled and I personally think  lost confidence. Horses for courses. 

Edited 12 June 2022 by volpeazzurro

[BKLFox]

8 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

Read my latter part regarding wanting to leave but, to address the issue. I remember an interview with John Terry who said precisely that. He found it a struggle to play the right centre half of a two compared to his usual 'left' at an elite level, this is not park football. With Soyuncu, we at time were asking an essentially right footed player to play almost left back as part of his job which was even worse. He struggled and I personally think  lost confidence. Horses for courses. 

But the difference there with John Terry he was being asked to play a different side on a 3, Cags normally plays the left of a CB pair for us, he just moved over a few meters but essentially his body takes the shame shapes he jockeys an attacker from right to left and makes most of his tackles with his left leg, Terry would have had to switch from right - left to a left to right and make most of his tackles with his other leg that is different & I’d give him a little slack but still an International CB should be able to cope either side, its not like say Guppy having to play on the RW and trying to ping a cross in on the move with his wrong leg.

 

[sacreblueits442]

On 12/06/2022 at 11:50, BKLFox said:

But the difference there with John Terry he was being asked to play a different side on a 3, Cags normally plays the left of a CB pair for us, he just moved over a few meters but essentially his body takes the shame shapes he jockeys an attacker from right to left and makes most of his tackles with his left leg, Terry would have had to switch from right - left to a left to right and make most of his tackles with his other leg that is different & I’d give him a little slack but still an International CB should be able to cope either side, its not like say Guppy having to play on the RW and trying to ping a cross in on the move with his wrong leg.

 

...what Soyuncu would have to do is go out and engage the wide player for the opposition!!!

  He only wants to stay in the 18 yard area and give cover there, but our Wingbacks have pushed forward and the opposition is utilising the space they have vacated. Soyuncu either chooses to close that avenue down by going out and getting closer to prevent the cross ball from coming in, or leave a situation of opposition runners, bearing down on our goal, with onrushing midfielders having a clear run at our defence.

  He needs a FB beside him, who holds his position. Another reason why if we are looking to play 3 CBs, then, we need to play a flat back five. There really is little reason to be playing with 3 CBs, unless we are up against Man. City or any team we seek to play on the counter.

[volpeazzurro]

On 12/06/2022 at 11:50, BKLFox said:

But the difference there with John Terry he was being asked to play a different side on a 3, Cags normally plays the left of a CB pair for us, he just moved over a few meters but essentially his body takes the shame shapes he jockeys an attacker from right to left and makes most of his tackles with his left leg, Terry would have had to switch from right - left to a left to right and make most of his tackles with his other leg that is different & I’d give him a little slack but still an International CB should be able to cope either side, its not like say Guppy having to play on the RW and trying to ping a cross in on the move with his wrong leg.

 

He played previously and for Turkey on the right of a two but managed well on the left of a two for us I thought. The extreme left of a three is quite different, you're quite often being asked to be a left back which brings a whole different barrel of problems. Your assumption that an international should by definition just be able to cope is flawed. This isn't park football, it's top of the tree and there are fine margins. If the abilities of midfielders can vary greatly and the positions in which particular midfielders can play, so can the capabilities of centre halves be stretched too.

 

Armarty can 'do a job' at right back when required but it's only when really necessary. Castagne has been played by Rodgers at centre half and he was dreadful. They are both different jobs demanding different skills. A player can cover and perhaps even get away with it in the odd game against inferior opposition but being played out of position regularly against top opposition is a different matter altogether. Continual mistakes due to being asked to do something you're not best suited to must be demoralising, particularly when you have to take the stick and not the dumb person that put you in that position in the first place. 

[PhillippaT]

On 09/06/2022 at 22:34, Sly said:

Everyone has a price …..

Even if it's negative? 😛

[PhillippaT]

On 10/06/2022 at 15:30, alanf0x said:

I will start the bidding on Hamza…£100

His hair alone has to be worth more than that, surely? 😛

Edited 15 June 2022 by PhillippaT

[justfoxes]

7 hours ago, PhillippaT said:

His hair alone has to be worth more thsn that, surely? 😛

I’m surprised he hasn’t had some real lucrative contract from some beauty Company to promote their hair products the next L’Oréal model  !😉

[mozartfox]

So quick summary of the re-build.  We are getting screwed over for Praet, Arsenal are about to have Rudders boxers around in ankles, long time target Charlie boy is alleged to be off to Milan and we have released a 37 year old third choice keeper.   It’s all going to plan.