Stockport Post Match

[Corky]

Turning against Tielemans isn't the way forward. We'll gain nothing out of it.

 

Hopefully it is just a minority.

[CosbehFox]

9 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Another thing: I hope any kind of post match protests directed to individual players will stop right away. It's fair and logical booing as a fans collective at the final whistle. After this if some of our fans want to speak to players they can officially 15-20 of them send a request to the board and they might get the permission to have a civilised discussion with our players and management before or after a training session. 

Lol in my 30 years supporting City, I have seen one player brave enough to face up and he left three weeks ago 

[StanSP]

Watching the highlights of the penalties and there's a guy that looks absolutely devastated and crestfallen that Iversen saved a penalty and also that we've won. 

 

This is after the 2nd save he made:

 

Look at the daggers to Iversen

 

 

And then sheer disappointment we've actually won the shootout:

 

Most others still celebrated to win the game, and I have no idea who he is but he clearly travelled up wanting us to lose and was gutted we didn't

 

[turtmcfly]

53 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I can’t understand the angst displayed by our own fans towards Tielemans. He’s not thrown his toys out the pram and he’s just not signed a new contract here because it looks like he wants a new challenge. 
Can you blame him honestly?? We are a club in a mess and the players must know this. 
That said, his form is what worries me. I think he’s still ‘trying’, but just doesn’t look the player he was.

BUT you can say that about all of them. Minus Maddison 

 

I've started, so I'll finish

 

[MS0204]

24 minutes ago, Sean2000 said:

Don't get this eulogising Iversen. Stockport had one shot on target during the game which he easily saved. He was a virtual spectator in the second half. He was great in the penalty shootouts. Their penalties were not great but he saved them. Fair play. More importantly for me is that shootouts have nothing to do with game goalkeeping.

 

Personally, I don't think we saw anything last night to change opinion on our GKs. He did nothing wrong, but nothing out of the ordinary either. 

 

 

iverson pulled off a wonder save in the first half where it was heading top corner, and he was awesome in the shootout.. but going back to ward in the first three games and as it’s early in the season (it’s a good job I ain’t a manager then) but why not start Iverson Saturday? Ok Iverson might have been a spectator last night but in 3 games and 1 point, what could go wrong with changing the keepers, not a lot on current form

[KFS]

I don’t know, someone ****ing about with my club and not signing a new deal is deserving of a tongue lashing imo. As is Fofana next time he plays. They’re probably being told by soft touch Rodgers to take their time, keep working on their character; all the while agents are doing overdrive in the ears of every champions league club on the planet

[shiv]

42 minutes ago, Corky said:

Turning against Tielemans isn't the way forward. We'll gain nothing out of it.

 

Hopefully it is just a minority.

Agree. Whilst his performances have been dog turd, he’s always remained professional and given his all.

 

Would still rather we used Praet over him if he’s not planning on staying though, but that’s on Brendan not Youri. 

[Sean2000]

19 minutes ago, MS0204 said:

iverson pulled off a wonder save in the first half where it was heading top corner, and he was awesome in the shootout.. but going back to ward in the first three games and as it’s early in the season (it’s a good job I ain’t a manager then) but why not start Iverson Saturday? Ok Iverson might have been a spectator last night but in 3 games and 1 point, what could go wrong with changing the keepers, not a lot on current form

I don't think think it was a wonder save last night - I'd be very disappointed if a Prem keeper let that in. But it's all opinions!

 

If you look at the goals we've conceded, one has been down to Ward. The rest are terrible defending. What Ward does bring is commanding the box and coming for crosses. You can see the difference that makes. Iversen is a bit like Schmeichel and doesn't seem to do that. So I'd stick with Ward at the moment, but wouldn't have a problem if we switched.. Don't think there's much in it.

[ParkerPen]

7 minutes ago, shiv said:

Agree. Whilst his performances have been dog turd, he’s always remained professional and given his all.

 

Would still rather we used Praet over him if he’s not planning on staying though, but that’s on Brendan not Youri. 

+1 

 

I was / am all for dropping Youri, but only because he's just not been in good form, I don't think he needs to be singled out for abuse

[AKCJ]

If there was a problem with Tielemans then the players wouldn't accept him wearing the armband.

 

Clearly he's respected within the group. Clearly he's too talented to not be playing in Europe. Clearly he's put his head down and tried to ignore the noise.

 

His only crime is to want to better his career.

 

If only the likes of Mahrez and Fofana had the same level of respect for the club that gave them the platform.

[Fear Of The Fox]

6 minutes ago, ParkerPen said:

+1 

 

I was / am all for dropping Youri, but only because he's just not been in good form, I don't think he needs to be singled out for abuse

I don't know if Rodgers is even trying to motivate the players and especially the ones with a feisty character like Vardy to get more involved with others. Tielemans is a shy and sensitive person. I really can't understand why Rodgers doesn't play Praet alongside Tielemans. They're friends and their collaboration in the Belgium national team is always good. We have 3 Belgium nationals and Rodgers' stubbornness regarding tactics is rendering them useless. 

Players like Vardy, Evans, Madisson and Albrighton need to step in. I'm generally against players trying to intervene but our situation now needs this kind of intervention. I'm certain that Vardy and Albrighton know how this team should be set up in the pitch. 

[Gamble92]

1 hour ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Why? Would you prefer him pulling a "Fofana"? He's training with the team, he's playing and he's committing so far to his current contract. This is the reason he's pointed at the badge. His bad or average performances are irrelevant and you have another 100 factors around the team that may cause players to underperform. 

So we are setting the bar at Fofana now are we?  At least he's turning up. Listen to yourself. 

 

I'm really tired of the defence of Tielemans and have been for a year now. I keep hearing Rodgers say he's been a model professional. His effort has been disgraceful at times. To the point where I can't believe I want someone gone who's given me the best moment supporting us. 

 

I'm sick of letting players get away with it just because the likes of Paul Pogba have set this modern day precedent of being able to treat the club that pays you with utter contempt. 

[Gamble92]

2 hours ago, mod hero said:

Why would you point at the badge? That suggests loyalty. Tielemans wants out so bad and his performances have been way below par.

 

means nothing

This

[westernpark]

2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...pretty much a wake up call!!!

He hasn't been good for some time and this will-he-won't- he saga has not helped!!!

  He will not be going anywhere and will be here next season, I wish he would show that passion in games and get as fired up. He should be the man to lead us,  ideally placed in the pitch, and carries experience,  yet he is the least likely person you would look to, for any kind of leadership or inspiration. 

  If tonight's incident serves to push him out the door this window, then great, we need the money, but if it finally wakes him up to the fact that playing with minimum effort doesn't help the team, and I  hope it forces him to work on his game and fitness, he has had an easy ride, you would have thought his experience at Monaco would have been the lesson for change.

I think sometimes Tielemans can be viewed as not putting effort in due to his lethargic style of play. He’s never going to be a box to box KDH and is a better technical player than him. However, like you say hopefully it proves a catalyst for something, whether it’s a move or a head down and see the season out in style.

[Corky]

1 hour ago, KFS said:

I don’t know, someone ****ing about with my club and not signing a new deal is deserving of a tongue lashing imo. As is Fofana next time he plays. They’re probably being told by soft touch Rodgers to take their time, keep working on their character; all the while agents are doing overdrive in the ears of every champions league club on the planet

Why should he sign a new deal?

[Fear Of The Fox]

27 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

So we are setting the bar at Fofana now are we?  At least he's turning up. Listen to yourself. 

 

I'm really tired of the defence of Tielemans and have been for a year now. I keep hearing Rodgers say he's been a model professional. His effort has been disgraceful at times. To the point where I can't believe I want someone gone who's given me the best moment supporting us. 

 

I'm sick of letting players get away with it just because the likes of Paul Pogba have set this modern day precedent of being able to treat the club that pays you with utter contempt. 

Are you really comparing Tielemans to Pogba? Yes Tielemans so far is a proper professional. I'm not going to defend his sub par performances but I'm certain Tielemans doesn't underperform by personal choice. He was the best player yesterday, which ofc isn't an achievement but he was putting an effort and this was one of the reasons he was chosen to take the 1st penalty of the shootout. 

We're doing circles. The main issue is the management and tactics. This is a team with good players and they perform better when the tactics are spot on. 

Accusing a key player of the Belgium national team that he's underperforming in purpose, especially just before a major world tournament, is bizarre. 

[jerry]

1 hour ago, MS0204 said:

iverson pulled off a wonder save in the first half where it was heading top corner, and he was awesome in the shootout.. but going back to ward in the first three games and as it’s early in the season (it’s a good job I ain’t a manager then) but why not start Iverson Saturday? Ok Iverson might have been a spectator last night but in 3 games and 1 point, what could go wrong with changing the keepers, not a lot on current form

One way to destroy Ward's confidence after only 3 games.

[KFS]

21 minutes ago, Corky said:

Why should he sign a new deal?

Because clearly no one else wants him and he’s pissing about with the club’s planning.

[MS0204]

7 minutes ago, jerry said:

One way to destroy Ward's confidence after only 3 games.

That comment was more based on the team performance rather than just ward himself..  I ain’t lost faith in ward actually far from it, in fact it’s decent he can catch from a corner. Maybe I was just leaning on Iverson before the season started and was great to see him do well last night.. Ward has couple of big games coming up so let’s see what happens

[Gamble92]

16 minutes ago, Fear Of The Fox said:

Are you really comparing Tielemans to Pogba? Yes Tielemans so far is a proper professional. I'm not going to defend his sub par performances but I'm certain Tielemans doesn't underperform by personal choice. He was the best player yesterday, which ofc isn't an achievement but he was putting an effort and this was one of the reasons he was chosen to take the 1st penalty of the shootout. 

We're doing circles. The main issue is the management and tactics. This is a team with good players and they perform better when the tactics are spot on. 

Accusing a key player of the Belgium national team that he's underperforming in purpose, especially just before a major world tournament, is bizarre. 

No I'm comparing Fofana's attitude to Pogba. Pogba was a watershed moment in modern football. Openly doing interviews saying he would like to play for other clubs, getting away with underperforming for years,  going against the manager and club, setting a precedent within the club for the rest of the players. 

 

Now the bar is that low for the modern supporter that we are just happy if someone turns up on 100k a week and doesn't hand in a transfer request and at least plays.  It's embarrassing. It's making me hate football. 

 

Not sighing a new deal and not playing anywhere near his levels have just set a bad example around the club and he has been deservedly dropped. I hope it stays that way for the weekend and he leaves for Arsenal next week. 

[gerrytaggart]

13 hours ago, Kopic said:

Get in rodgers is god **** the haters ill nock u out rogers best manger outside top money wankstains we will win carbonara cup we will get europ agan u lot all hate are club y u dont support the teamm the fans the chants 2nite wer a disc race go suprot liverpol or mancester coty we r leicester rogers is a bastard good manaher get in up the foxes #feerless 

This hits deep.

[Fear Of The Fox]

11 minutes ago, KFS said:

Because clearly no one else wants him and he’s pissing about with the club’s planning.

This is half the truth. Tielemans wants a move to a big club with guaranteed CL football and him being a first XI choice. It's not easy to achieve this transfer if you check the midfield of all major clubs in Europe and how they're set up. His ambition is his own "problem". He's still in contract and he's still available for us. He might get lucky next summer and an offer will come for him. Until then the guy is committed to our club. 

[Fear Of The Fox]

7 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

No I'm comparing Fofana's attitude to Pogba. Pogba was a watershed moment in modern football. Openly doing interviews saying he would like to play for other clubs, getting away with underperforming for years,  going against the manager and club, setting a precedent within the club for the rest of the players. 

 

Now the bar is that low for the modern supporter that we are just happy if someone turns up on 100k a week and doesn't hand in a transfer request and at least plays.  It's embarrassing. It's making me hate football. 

 

Not sighing a new deal and not playing anywhere near his levels have just set a bad example around the club and he has been deservedly dropped. I hope it stays that way for the weekend and he leaves for Arsenal next week. 

Except Madisson can you mention another player that is playing to his standards right now? None of them. Let's drop all of them then. It's down to the manager to get these guys performing. Tielemans must be in our first XI with the right formation and tactics. 

[TTDog]

Very impressed with how Stockport managed to sell tickets for seats that did not exist... had tickets in Row J, the seats in front were Row H, stewards repeatedly said there was no Row I, yet my seat was occupied by someone who had been sold a ticket for Row I.

 

Bemused stewards told us to sit "between Rows J and K" and wandered off... farcical.

[fox_up_north]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

Turning against Tielemans isn't the way forward. We'll gain nothing out of it.

 

Hopefully it is just a minority.

It sounded a minority. We all cheered for his penalty and, it has to be said, there were much worse penalties taken by city players last night.