Protest against Rudkin

[Foxxed]

 

[Foxxed]

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[Onions]

On 17/05/2023 at 12:33, Silva Fox said:

Thanks Jon!

I’ve been exposed 

[Vazman]

3 hours ago, Foxxed said:

He would be perfect. But after all this shit we gave him I can see why he would be reluctant. Puel and Pearson would make a bizarre DOF and manager duo.

Bizarre yes, but exactly the reason it would / may work, if they both stay in lanes.

[foxinsocks]

On 17/05/2023 at 12:25, 99 Problems said:

I mean I’ll have a go at flying it 

I tried to raid 900 quid last September.... no one was up for it 

[FoxyLeon]

Where was the criticism before Rodgers and Congerton?

 

He oversaw Puel's summer window that was probably our best ever. Wasn't he also in the role when we signed Okazaki and Kante?

 

The way I see it Rudkin is just the go between of the manager and owner. The way we operate, the manager is given free reign over all aspects of the Club, whilst the Owner essentially just agrees or disagrees to the financial requests of what the manager wants, through contact with Rudkin.

 

Again this criticism of Rudkin is targeting the wrong person, he's just another scapegoat hiding the real issue, that Top and Vichai lack the footballing knowledge to make sound decisions consistently. We don't operate with a DOF who has a large recruiting responsibility. Otherwise, if Rudkin was in charge of recruitment, why on earth did we hire Congerton? Then Glover?

 

Pearson - Rodgers

Shakespeare - Davies

Walsh - Congerton/Glover

 

Rudkin is nothing more than a go between. He doesn't have the responsibility many think he does. If you believe that the Club needs a DOF who sets the long term policies of the Club then great, I do too, but this ownership has never done that, full running of the Club has been given to the manager, as was the case with Ferguson/Wenger etc. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, FoxyLeon said:

 

 

Rudkin is nothing more than a go between. He doesn't have the responsibility many think he does. If you believe that the Club needs a DOF who sets the long term policies of the Club then great, I do too, but this ownership has never done that, full running of the Club has been given to the manager, as was the case with Ferguson/Wenger etc. 

...Rodgers stated that he has no say in recruitment!!!

That goes against your post, and it is clear that he is lying in this instance.

[Claudio Fannieri]

As much as I want Rudkin out of the club, and I do not believe he is just a go between, in my opinion he holds a significant amount of influence within Tops team when it comes to football decisions and strategy, I cannot see Top cutting him lose this summer without some sort of succession or contingency plan. 
 

My only hope is that Top, takes this opportunity to restructure the football operations side of the club which sees Rudkin shifted sideways or role and responsibilities greatly reduced in relation to Leicester City FC with Robert Huth stepping up with immediate effect on confirmation of our relegation. 

[Scotch]

7 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...Rodgers stated that he has no say in recruitment!!!

That goes against your post, and it is clear that he is lying in this instance.

Did he actually say that? I don't think I ever caught that quote but it doesn't surprise me that he tried to shake the accountability once things went wrong. He sure was happy enough to take praise for it when it was going right. 

[CosbehFox]

9 hours ago, FoxyLeon said:

Where was the criticism before Rodgers and Congerton?

 

He oversaw Puel's summer window that was probably our best ever. Wasn't he also in the role when we signed Okazaki and Kante?

 

The way I see it Rudkin is just the go between of the manager and owner. The way we operate, the manager is given free reign over all aspects of the Club, whilst the Owner essentially just agrees or disagrees to the financial requests of what the manager wants, through contact with Rudkin.

 

Again this criticism of Rudkin is targeting the wrong person, he's just another scapegoat hiding the real issue, that Top and Vichai lack the footballing knowledge to make sound decisions consistently. We don't operate with a DOF who has a large recruiting responsibility. Otherwise, if Rudkin was in charge of recruitment, why on earth did we hire Congerton? Then Glover?

 

Pearson - Rodgers

Shakespeare - Davies

Walsh - Congerton/Glover

 

Rudkin is nothing more than a go between. He doesn't have the responsibility many think he does. If you believe that the Club needs a DOF who sets the long term policies of the Club then great, I do too, but this ownership has never done that, full running of the Club has been given to the manager, as was the case with Ferguson/Wenger etc. 

there was a banner at our fixture we had in our last game at Swansea way back in 2017.

You’re mistaken on the point the ‘full running’. There’s been podcasts with sports science and analytical guys which state the club has their preferences and the manager is expected to participate with this. Hence why people such as Matt Reeves have stayed in situ despite Rodgers having his own fitness coach coming over. 
 

Who agrees the contracts in your vision of the situation?
 

Who got themselves into the situation on deadline day where we loaned out two right wingers and Leeds stuffed us? 
 

Who negotiated the signing of Silva in such state that made it 14 seconds late? 
 

Who keeps an overall eye on the academy? 
 

Who keeps control of the analytical side ? 
 

Recruitment is only one thread of his role. He’s failing drastically in other departments. There’s been a huge talent drain in areas we were considered one of the best in the country in (to the point we held conferences on it)

Edited 20 May 2023 by CosbehFox

[oz was my hero]

On 16/05/2023 at 12:16, filbertway said:

It absolutely was. He took over a team that couldn't play football and was swirling down the drain. Took apart the old boys club and put together a talented young squad with tremendous upside in ability and value.

 

People didn't like the football or the way he spoke. Vardy cried because Puel actually had the balls to upset the old guard for the betterment of the club.

 

It's undeniable that him and Macia took a sinking ship and massive improved it.

Have to agree there. Yes the football was absolutely  terrible  but the players  they were bringing in were very good. You could see what was being  built. Maybe that was puels best role  as you couldn't see him being a motivational  character  but had an eye for players 

[Skid_1884]

Can just imagine Rudkin being the same with Top

[norwichfox]

10 hours ago, foxinsocks said:

I tried to raid 900 quid last September.... no one was up for it 

Robbing little old ladies or a village post office raid?

[99 Problems]

The idea that Rudkin is merely a go between us absolutely laughable and shows what you’re dealing with when debating with some Leicester fans who clearly can’t be arsed to do any research into how the club operates. 

People also seem to confuse a head of recruitment role with a DoF role and start bizarrely attributing the success of our scouting team to Jon Rudkin. Absolutely bizarre. 
 

Jon Rudkin is now the most influential person at this football club. He is the advisor to Top on managerial appointments and overall strategy. He’s responsible for player contracts, overseeing the head of recruitment (not signing the players individually) and the overall operation of the club from a footballing perspective. For the last 2 years he’s been doing a terrible job 

[Stuntman_Mike]

18 hours ago, Onions said:

I’ve been exposed 

Did you choose the name Onions because you make people cry Jon? Did you Jon? JON!? 

[mozartfox]

15 hours ago, FoxyLeon said:

Where was the criticism before Rodgers and Congerton?

 

He oversaw Puel's summer window that was probably our best ever. Wasn't he also in the role when we signed Okazaki and Kante?

 

The way I see it Rudkin is just the go between of the manager and owner. The way we operate, the manager is given free reign over all aspects of the Club, whilst the Owner essentially just agrees or disagrees to the financial requests of what the manager wants, through contact with Rudkin.

 

Again this criticism of Rudkin is targeting the wrong person, he's just another scapegoat hiding the real issue, that Top and Vichai lack the footballing knowledge to make sound decisions consistently. We don't operate with a DOF who has a large recruiting responsibility. Otherwise, if Rudkin was in charge of recruitment, why on earth did we hire Congerton? Then Glover?

 

Pearson - Rodgers

Shakespeare - Davies

Walsh - Congerton/Glover

 

Rudkin is nothing more than a go between. He doesn't have the responsibility many think he does. If you believe that the Club needs a DOF who sets the long term policies of the Club then great, I do too, but this ownership has never done that, full running of the Club has been given to the manager, as was the case with Ferguson/Wenger etc. 

understood. But can we employ a new go between ?  Ric could do a better job.

[99 Problems]

4 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

understood. But can we employ a new go between ?  Ric could do a better job.

He’s not a go between and never has been. He’s a DoF and very very influential at the club. 

[mozartfox]

15 minutes ago, 99 Problems said:

He’s not a go between and never has been. He’s a DoF and very very influential at the club. 

This is the problem. No one really knows what he does.    If what you state is true, then he must go

[orangecity23]

29 minutes ago, mozartfox said:

This is the problem. No one really knows what he does.    If what you state is true, then he must go

I'm not even sure we need to know what he does - he's Director of Football, so whatever his job entails, it must be something to do with overseeing the football side of the business. Well, if we examine that, then we can see that the footballing side of the club is a massive shambles in every aspect this season.

• Men's first team league position - failure
• Men's first team coaching - failure
• Men's first team manager, plus recruitment of replacement manager - failure
• Men's first team transfer business - failure
• Recruitment of new head of recruitment - delayed and missed summer window. Business in that window - failure
• Contracts of first team and using them to avoid losing valuable assets on free transfers - failure
• Academy U23 side- relegated. Failure
• Development of academy players for first team - largely a failure
• Medical side of first team and injury management - failure
• Medial side of academy - failure

Unless he can somehow claim an absolute lack of any responsibility for overseeing any of the above, then he has overseen a catastrophic and total failure of all footballing aspects of the club (with the exception of the women's team, who may narrowly avoid relegation), that will lead to the business seeing its revenue down by 2/3rds next seasonn due to the massive drop of in TV revenue.

[sacreblueits442]

36 minutes ago, 99 Problems said:

He’s not a go between and never has been. He’s a DoF and very very influential at the club. 

...Khun Top's right-hand man, Whelan may be CEO but Top is reliant on Rudkin!!!

After all this time, a relationship of trust would have been formed, and the previous unprecedented success would have been credited to Rudkin's stewardship.

  He has dropped the ball, maybe giving him a second chance to redeem himself, would be what a friend would seek to do, so you cannot be surprised if he is retained for the coming season, lots to do, and no real-time to bring in a stranger to carry out the required rebuild.

  In the face of all this, we must have change, with Rudkin being removed from his post immediately and a plan to be put in place, for this rebuild to happen.

    Rudkin's limited knowledge of the football marketplace restricts us. I would not be surprised if Marsch was brought back in, as he would have laid out a plan for both eventuality and our board will grab for the liferaft, having something "oven ready" to implement.

  The only other alternative would be for Khun Top to leave his position at KP and concentrates on LCFC full-time, get to learn the business, network with other chairmen and find out who and what is out there. There is little point in relying on Rudkin, his limitations are well known.

[FrankieADZ]

protests? sorry but what the **** will that do, most of us were calling for Rodgers to go for months, the club knew this and saw it at games too, took them far to long to react and do it

 

why would they do the same with rudkin

Edited 20 May 2023 by FrankieADZ

[sacreblueits442]

5 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

protests? sorry but what the **** will that do, most of us were calling for Rodgers to go for months, the club knew this and saw it at games too, too them far to long to react and do it

 

why would they do the same with rudkin

...we were firmly in our echo chamber, and the supporters at the grounds did not go anywhere near where FT had gone in their condemnation of what we were watching!!!

The occasional murmur and banner would not have conveyed a major dissatisfaction with the Board or how the club was being run. I can tell you now, O'neil remembers that night against Sheffield, why, because it was hostile and toxic and reflected the dismay of the supporters at the time.

  The club does need to react and effect change right at the top, there are just not enough people, openly telling them so!!.

[Voll Blau]

29 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

protests? sorry but what the **** will that do, most of us were calling for Rodgers to go for months, the club knew this and saw it at games too, took them far to long to react and do it

 

why would they do the same with rudkin

The decline will carry on unless we start getting better as a fanbase at voicing our dissatisfaction. No time like the present, especially in this ridiculous situation the board have gotten us into...

[purpleronnie]

25 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

protests? sorry but what the **** will that do, most of us were calling for Rodgers to go for months, the club knew this and saw it at games too, took them far to long to react and do it

 

why would they do the same with rudkin

Why has it got to 'do' anything.  Surely expressing solidarity is what's important.  Protests actually aren't that effective, but if no-one tried then how would we know what could change?

 

I don't remember any protest in the ground against Rodgers...i must of missed that one.

[SemperEadem]

16 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

The decline will carry on unless we start getting better as a fanbase at voicing our dissatisfaction. No time like the present, especially in this ridiculous situation the board have gotten us into...

Has to come from others too. The club only think that anti Rudkin feeling is had by a small pocket of the ground.