How bad has our recruitement been

7 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

Obviously, there has been some very good buys but plenty of rubbish ones which I think we've had more than our fair share.

Happens in most Clubs.

Not recently though, that was the point.

davieG · 31 May 2023

9 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

2021/22

Patson Daka

RB Salzburg

£23,000,000

30 Jun, 2021

Boubakary Soumare

Lille

£17,000,000

02 Jul, 2021

Ryan Bertrand

Southampton

Free

15 Jul, 2021

Kamal Sowah

O-H Leuven

Unknown

23 Jul, 2021

Jannik Vestergaard

Southampton

£15,000,000

13 Aug, 2021

£55m We've not got our value out of that and are unlikely to do so.

themightyfin · 31 May 2023

Has there not been 587 threads already discussing how bad our recruitment is?

HarryDee8 · 31 May 2023

It was the best in the business 2 seasons ago

Lambert09 · 31 May 2023

I know it’s controversial but I still like the business we did this season.

I think Faes is a player who with the right leadership could become a star. He’s similar to soyuncu in many ways and if we can sort out the brain farts who knows how good he can get.

I personally am a huge fan of souttar, he will be a cult hero next year. Not a clue why smith was so against him.

kristansen got worse with each week… what does that tell you about our club. The player that arrived was a good signing… a few weeks of our methods and the life was sucked out of him.

Tete, we got wrong. He clearly just doesn’t have enough pace for the english game. A bad fit. But at the same time, as a loan signing… worth a punt. I have a feeling that if our fixtures had been kinder, we could have gone on a good run. But having man u and arsenal back to back took away the fresh faces boost from us and it went downhill from there.

I think glover showed that he’s looking in different pools and wasn’t focusing on one league. So objectively, I don’t think it was as bad as many people think it was

foxy boxing · 31 May 2023

We took chances on Too many players from abroad who just couldn't adapt to the Premier League instead of tried and tested players. You get the odd one out of a dozen who is able to show some class. Certainly paid too much for the players we got while their resale value is a lot less now. The money paid for Ward is an absolute joke for a second string goalkeeper.

messerschmitt · 31 May 2023

15 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Has there not been 587 threads already discussing how bad our recruitment is?

588, I think mine adds clarity

fox_favourite · 31 May 2023

I think the relegation tells you all you need to know about our recruitment

beepee1984 · 31 May 2023

I would look at our most played starting 11 from 20/21 season and see how the club has evolved.

The full backs are exactly the same, The midfield is exactly the same, Our striker is still the same albeit another 2 years on his legs. The rest of the league progressed we didn't.

The changes happed in Goal and at CB

GK - Kasper left - no one was brought in, we lost his Goalkeeping and leadership abilities with nothing,

CBs were Fofana, Soyuncu, Evans - Fofana left, Soyuncu was ostracised, Evans

Replaced by Faes (has the same initials as Fofana, but that is it), Amartey (I know there is a Big Dan fan club, but nowhere near as good as Soyuncu at his best) and well still Evans who is ever increasing our medical bills.

Our changes all made our team significantly worse.

And not just that - none of our top players had any competition for places

StriderHiryu · 31 May 2023

20 minutes ago, davieG said:

£55m We've not got our value out of that and are unlikely to do so.

People thought that 16/17 was bad (and it was), but this was the window that killed us. If one of those players made an impact, we are still in the Premier League.

But that's transfers. There's always an element of risk!

messerschmitt · 31 May 2023

2 minutes ago, fox_favourite said:

I think the relegation tells you all you need to know about our recruitment

Well, quite, but I was surprised at how few have been good in 6 seasons and 12 windows

messerschmitt · 31 May 2023

2 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

People thought that 16/17 was bad (and it was), but this was the window that killed us. If one of those players made an impact, we are still in the Premier League.

But that's transfers. There's always an element of risk!

Yeah, that's very true but look at the players some of the others have brought in, Brighton for instance.

StriderHiryu · 31 May 2023

14 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

Yeah, that's very true but look at the players some of the others have brought in, Brighton for instance.

They've brought their fare share of clangers. Jahanbaksh and Locadia for example.

31 May 2023

We didn’t sign Benkovic and Soyuncu in the same window as Tielemans on a permanent ? I’m sure it was the year before

Beachyboy · 31 May 2023

28 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

We took chances on Too many players from abroad who just couldn't adapt to the Premier League instead of tried and tested players. You get the odd one out of a dozen who is able to show some class. Certainly paid too much for the players we got while their resale value is a lot less now. The money paid for Ward is an absolute joke for a second string goalkeeper.

It's a good point I reckon 7 of the 11 that started 2015 were from English teams. I can only think of maybe Fuchs, Kante, Okazaki and Mahrez that were signed from overseas. The core of the team is from other English teams even if they aren't by nationality.

Tommy Fresh · 31 May 2023

1 hour ago, messerschmitt said:

Looking at our signings over the last 6 seasons according to Soccerbase.

We've signed 24 players costing £356,800,000

Of the 24 only Maddison, Tielemans and Faes are currently first-choice players.

Of those who have gone, only Fofana has brought in a decent fee and would have been considered first choice.

Others who would have been first choice, Justin, Evens and Pereira have missed a huge amount of games because of injury.

The others have either been overlooked or not been good enough.

I'm sure plenty of people will argue about some of the listed players but you get the point.

For me, it shows why we are, where we are.

2022/23

Wout Faes

Reims

£15,000,000

01 Sep, 2022

Victor Bernth Kristansen

FC Copenhagen

£12,000,000

20 Jan, 2023

Harry Souttar

Stoke

£15,000,000

31 Jan, 2023

Tete

Shakhtar

30 Jan, 2023

2021/22

Patson Daka

RB Salzburg

£23,000,000

30 Jun, 2021

Boubakary Soumare

Lille

£17,000,000

02 Jul, 2021

Ryan Bertrand

Southampton

Free

15 Jul, 2021

Kamal Sowah

O-H Leuven

Unknown

23 Jul, 2021

Jannik Vestergaard

Southampton

£15,000,000

13 Aug, 2021

2020/21

Timothy Castagne

Atalanta

£25,000,000

03 Sep, 2020

Wesley Fofana

St-Etienne

£30,000,000

02 Oct, 2020

2019/20

Dennis Praet

Sampdoria

£18,000,000

08 Aug, 2019

2018/19

Danny Ward

Liverpool

£12,500,000

20 Jul, 2018

Rachid Ghezzal

Monaco

£12,500,000

05 Aug, 2018

Filip Benkovic

Dinamo Zagreb

Undisc.

08 Aug, 2018

Caglar Soyuncu

Freiburg

£19,000,000

08 Aug, 2018

James Justin

Luton

Undisc.

28 Jun, 2019

Ayoze Perez

Newcastle

£30,000,000

04 Jul, 2019

Youri Tielemans

Monaco

£40,000,000

08 Jul, 2019

2017/18

Vicente Iborra

Sevilla

£12,500,000

06 Jul, 2017

Kelechi Iheanacho

Man City

£25,000,000

03 Aug, 2017

Jonny Evans

West Brom

£3,500,000

08 Jun, 2018

Ricardo Pereira

Porto

£21,800,000

09 Jun, 2018

James Maddison

Norwich

£22,500,000

20 Jun, 2018

Aren't half of these listed under the wrong season? As you've got 17/18 but only two of them were actually that season, you've also missed Maguire?

Gamble92 · 31 May 2023

The recruitment was superb and slowly got worse as Rodgers wanted his own people in.

It's as simple as that really

David Hankey · 31 May 2023

56 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

Has there not been 587 threads already discussing how bad our recruitment is?

No, 588 now!!

SB87_LCFC · 31 May 2023

1 hour ago, messerschmitt said:

Looking at our signings over the last 6 seasons according to Soccerbase.

We've signed 24 players costing £356,800,000

Of the 24 only Maddison, Tielemans and Faes are currently first-choice players.

Of those who have gone, only Fofana has brought in a decent fee and would have been considered first choice.

Others who would have been first choice, Justin, Evens and Pereira have missed a huge amount of games because of injury.

The others have either been overlooked or not been good enough.

I'm sure plenty of people will argue about some of the listed players but you get the point.

For me, it shows why we are, where we are.

2022/23

Wout Faes

Reims

£15,000,000

01 Sep, 2022

Victor Bernth Kristansen

FC Copenhagen

£12,000,000

20 Jan, 2023

Harry Souttar

Stoke

£15,000,000

31 Jan, 2023

Tete

Shakhtar

30 Jan, 2023

2021/22

Patson Daka

RB Salzburg

£23,000,000

30 Jun, 2021

Boubakary Soumare

Lille

£17,000,000

02 Jul, 2021

Ryan Bertrand

Southampton

Free

15 Jul, 2021

Kamal Sowah

O-H Leuven

Unknown

23 Jul, 2021

Jannik Vestergaard

Southampton

£15,000,000

13 Aug, 2021

2020/21

Timothy Castagne

Atalanta

£25,000,000

03 Sep, 2020

Wesley Fofana

St-Etienne

£30,000,000

02 Oct, 2020

2019/20

Dennis Praet

Sampdoria

£18,000,000

08 Aug, 2019

2018/19

Danny Ward

Liverpool

£12,500,000

20 Jul, 2018

Rachid Ghezzal

Monaco

£12,500,000

05 Aug, 2018

Filip Benkovic

Dinamo Zagreb

Undisc.

08 Aug, 2018

Caglar Soyuncu

Freiburg

£19,000,000

08 Aug, 2018

James Justin

Luton

Undisc.

28 Jun, 2019

Ayoze Perez

Newcastle

£30,000,000

04 Jul, 2019

Youri Tielemans

Monaco

£40,000,000

08 Jul, 2019

2017/18

Vicente Iborra

Sevilla

£12,500,000

06 Jul, 2017

Kelechi Iheanacho

Man City

£25,000,000

03 Aug, 2017

Jonny Evans

West Brom

£3,500,000

08 Jun, 2018

Ricardo Pereira

Porto

£21,800,000

09 Jun, 2018

James Maddison

Norwich

£22,500,000

20 Jun, 2018

Pretty sure head scout/recruitment left for Bordeaux in 2019 which just so happens to coincide with the lack of real quality being brought into the club by his replacement and those around him with power to make things happen (or not in the case of John Rudkin).

£170m later and only Castagne and Faes the only two regulars out of that crop of players signed. Granted Fofana was a starter and someone who if he had the right brain capacity we could have built a team around and moved on higher earners or players advancing in age.

Add to that the disastrous decisions to sign Bertrand, and Vestergaard from a side we dicked 9-0 the previous season and in a Southampton team with the worst defensive record that season

, plus the rather insane decision to splash 17m on Soumare when we already had 6 cm’s at the club and we’ve been crying out for a top quality right winger since Mahrez and we STILL never replaced him.

Internal set up from top to bottom to me needs a mass overhaul, this is why I don’t think even play offs is in our reach next season.

Edited 31 May 2023 by SB87_LCFC

The Guvnor · 31 May 2023

1 hour ago, messerschmitt said:

Looking at our signings over the last 6 seasons according to Soccerbase.

We've signed 24 players costing £356,800,000

Of the 24 only Maddison, Tielemans and Faes are currently first-choice players.

Of those who have gone, only Fofana has brought in a decent fee and would have been considered first choice.

Others who would have been first choice, Justin, Evens and Pereira have missed a huge amount of games because of injury.

The others have either been overlooked or not been good enough.

I'm sure plenty of people will argue about some of the listed players but you get the point.

For me, it shows why we are, where we are.

2022/23

Wout Faes

Reims

£15,000,000

01 Sep, 2022

Victor Bernth Kristansen

FC Copenhagen

£12,000,000

20 Jan, 2023

Harry Souttar

Stoke

£15,000,000

31 Jan, 2023

Tete

Shakhtar

30 Jan, 2023

2021/22

Patson Daka

RB Salzburg

£23,000,000

30 Jun, 2021

Boubakary Soumare

Lille

£17,000,000

02 Jul, 2021

Ryan Bertrand

Southampton

Free

15 Jul, 2021

Kamal Sowah

O-H Leuven

Unknown

23 Jul, 2021

Jannik Vestergaard

Southampton

£15,000,000

13 Aug, 2021

2020/21

Timothy Castagne

Atalanta

£25,000,000

03 Sep, 2020

Wesley Fofana

St-Etienne

£30,000,000

02 Oct, 2020

2019/20

Dennis Praet

Sampdoria

£18,000,000

08 Aug, 2019

2018/19

Danny Ward

Liverpool

£12,500,000

20 Jul, 2018

Rachid Ghezzal

Monaco

£12,500,000

05 Aug, 2018

Filip Benkovic

Dinamo Zagreb

Undisc.

08 Aug, 2018

Caglar Soyuncu

Freiburg

£19,000,000

08 Aug, 2018

James Justin

Luton

Undisc.

28 Jun, 2019

Ayoze Perez

Newcastle

£30,000,000

04 Jul, 2019

Youri Tielemans

Monaco

£40,000,000

08 Jul, 2019

2017/18

Vicente Iborra

Sevilla

£12,500,000

06 Jul, 2017

Kelechi Iheanacho

Man City

£25,000,000

03 Aug, 2017

Jonny Evans

West Brom

£3,500,000

08 Jun, 2018

Ricardo Pereira

Porto

£21,800,000

09 Jun, 2018

James Maddison

Norwich

£22,500,000

20 Jun, 2018

21/22 Oh Dear !!

Lambert09 · 31 May 2023

1 hour ago, fox_favourite said:

I think the relegation tells you all you need to know about our recruitment

that you get punished for not doing any until the latter part of the season?

BillyFOX12 · 31 May 2023

Relegation should answer that question for you.

Mike1983 · 31 May 2023

****ing criminal

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