Climate Change - a poll

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

If the government was genuinely concerned about climate change, they should quite regularly advise the general public and businesses of recommendations in what anyone can do in their lives to try and change things.

Have you been living in a bunker for the last 10 years.  The minister who is trying to push this the most is also the most unpopular,  I am sad but not surprised to say that some very sensible people I know still think we are trying to go too quickly, and hate Ed Milliband for it.   

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Wymsey said:

If the government was genuinely concerned about climate change, they should quite regularly advise the general public and businesses of recommendations in what anyone can do in their lives to try and change things.

Honestly, the idea individuals make that much difference is a bit of a misnomer. It requires changes at government policy and national infrastructure level. The fossil fuel car ban has been politicised. Net zero politicised. End of oil licensing politicised. Anybody with half a brain knows what the right thing is but there's an entire industry devoted to lying to the populace so big government decisions that will affect profit margins and shareholder value don't get taken. 

[Collymore]

Remember in the late 80s and 90s seeing future forecasts, albeit I was very young, but we were warned about this happening -  it's playing out worse than I remember thinking it would be though!

 

Some of the data maps are frightening. 

 

 

[splinterdream]

1 hour ago, Collymore said:

Remember in the late 80s and 90s seeing future forecasts, albeit I was very young, but we were warned about this happening -  it's playing out worse than I remember thinking it would be though!

 

Some of the data maps are frightening. 

 

 

That was about the hole in the ozone layer, not climate change 

[leicsmac]

19 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

That was about the hole in the ozone layer, not climate change 

There were studies, and predictions made, about both in that era. 

 

The dark irony is that quite often the same people who don't think there's a problem with the rising global average temperature right now also don't think there was a problem with the ozone layer thinning back then, simply because unified action solved the problem so smartly they didn't actually feel much in the way of consequences. 

 

The same, unfortunately, will not be true of the consequences of this problem unless that unified action is taken. 

[Heathrow fox]

8 minutes ago, splinterdream said:

That was about the hole in the ozone layer, not climate change 

By the end of the eighties the ozone problem had been identified,solution found and action already well under way to rectify said problem 
Climate change had already started to be the next big issue.For example In 1988 i remember reading that by 2010 the UK would be experiencing southern euro  temperatures.
Mild wet winters,hot summers etc.

The green house effect was widely spoken about right through the nineties.

 

 

[grobyfox1990]

3 hours ago, Collymore said:

Remember in the late 80s and 90s seeing future forecasts, albeit I was very young, but we were warned about this happening -  it's playing out worse than I remember thinking it would be though!

 

Some of the data maps are frightening. 

 

 

Yeh a lot of the modelling done is poor. Coz it didn’t go far enough!!!!! We reached 40 degrees in the uk in 2022 lol. You can do your own climate scenario modelling for free on some websites. It’s….interesting….

[Trav Le Bleu]

UK heatwave: Heat health alerts extended as record for most 34C days in a year broken - BBC News

 

https://share.google/R1C6z9JERVE0kZAWL

[leicsmac]

16 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

UK heatwave: Heat health alerts extended as record for most 34C days in a year broken - BBC News

 

https://share.google/R1C6z9JERVE0kZAWL

 

Doesn't exceeding feel excellent?

[FoxesDeb]

This time we can actually smell the smoke, this is the view currently from my friend's and my roof terrace. The village closest to the fire has been evacuated  

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

UK heatwave: Heat health alerts extended as record for most 34C days in a year broken - BBC News

 

https://share.google/R1C6z9JERVE0kZAWL

It’s 9th July 

this stat is crazy!

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

It’s 9th July 

this stat is crazy!

Could be doubled easily.

[FoxesDeb]

This is what we could see last night, just up the road from me. Absolutely horrific 

 

BBC News - Twelve die in Spain wildfire as heatwave continues in southern Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e2382jk7jo

[Grebfromgrebland]

Global warming is moving at a pace that were completely unprepared for as a species even though we've had over 50 years of warning and the knowledge of our impact for over 100 years. 

 

Our response has been to fight to the death to make it worse rather than better and people like garage and trump have said that they will make it worse and plan to do their best at this. 

 

Virtually all the wars we have had since the nineties have been for oil and gas and to preserve their importance. 

 

We're so cooked figuratively and actually.

 

This heat is messing with my brain right now.

[leicsmac]

The problem is that there's still far too many people with power and influence who would rather see the world go to shit than be seen working a shovel. 

 

I'm not sure what the solution is to that which won't result in a great deal of blood on the floor, but someone had better come up with one or there will be plenty of blood on the floor anyway.

[LCFCJohn]

49 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Global warming is moving at a pace that were completely unprepared for as a species even though we've had over 50 years of warning and the knowledge of our impact for over 100 years. 

 

Our response has been to fight to the death to make it worse rather than better and people like garage and trump have said that they will make it worse and plan to do their best at this. 

 

Virtually all the wars we have had since the nineties have been for oil and gas and to preserve their importance. 

 

We're so cooked figuratively and actually.

 

This heat is messing with my brain right now.

Too many people in denial and too many people in power of an older age who don’t care. Trump and Putin come to mind. Whilst not in power, yes Farage another.

 

You’d think these people would care about their own families future generations even if it wouldn’t personally affect them but no, money over humanity. 
 

Then you have all those, normal members of the public like you and I, who are also in denial or lack the intelligence to work it out. 

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Too many people in denial and too many people in power of an older age who don’t care. Trump and Putin come to mind. Whilst not in power, yes Farage another.

 

You’d think these people would care about their own families future generations even if it wouldn’t personally affect them but no, money over humanity. 
 

Then you have all those, normal members of the public like you and I, who are also in denial or lack the intelligence to work it out. 

The futures of their families are secure for generations. They have the resources to live a luxurious life anywhere in the world.  farage isn’t there yet but he’s making sterling efforts to join them! 

[leicsmac]

24 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The futures of their families are secure for generations. They have the resources to live a luxurious life anywhere in the world.  farage isn’t there yet but he’s making sterling efforts to join them! 

I have no doubt that they think that. 

 

With the way things might change, however, that may turn out to be a critically and fatally incorrect assumption. 

 

All the money in the world doesn't get you resources and comfort when money is no longer viable as a trading medium. And having security to guard those resources means nothing when that security will have no further reason to be loyal to you in such a world. 

 

Edit: and one more thing... those resources being made available to them at the rate they require, requires the mechanics of civilisation. And those mechanics, for all our tech advancement in recent times... still relies on people. Lots of people. 

Edited Friday at 09:59 by leicsmac

[fox_up_north]

Saw the comments from Klopp about flying Mbappe round in circles on a private jet to have a meeting "in private"

 

While I'm here limiting my meat intake, getting solar panels and trying to maintain a garden for the environment.  

 

Start with them. Seriously - bin off private jets for everyone not in government.

 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, fox_up_north said:

Saw the comments from Klopp about flying Mbappe round in circles on a private jet to have a meeting "in private"

 

While I'm here limiting my meat intake, getting solar panels and trying to maintain a garden for the environment.  

 

Start with them. Seriously - bin off private jets for everyone not in government.

 

That kind of public showing of lack of concern is really frustrating and really should be looked at, it's true. 

 

That being said, by far the biggest area of carbon emissions (and therefore increased temperatures) remains large scale power generation, so that has to be the priority area for action. 

[Robo61]

1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

The futures of their families are secure for generations. They have the resources to live a luxurious life anywhere in the world.  farage isn’t there yet but he’s making crypto efforts to join them! 

Fixed it for you

[HighPeakFox]

I think the reality of global warming is just too huge for most to comprehend, and it's easier to deny it or pretend otherwise - and not because people are necessarily ignorant or wilful, but perhaps as I said, the actual ramifications and logical extrapolations are so big, akin to contemplating that one day, we will all die. I know that particular rabbit hole, so I can at least empathise.