Harry Winks

[volpeazzurro]

7 hours ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Remember when Tielemans, and Evans in the final year of their contract and there was conflict with certain fans saying we saying we should cash in as they won’t be motivated and others saying Youri would be the difference and him keeping us in the prem is worth more than a fee etc etc well remember how that turned out, they checked out and we were relegated, this feels similar with Winks, he has the quality to be star at this level, if motivated and engaged however this does not appear to be the case and therefore it’s highly likely come September the drop off will continue and he will become less and less effective and we will be left with a demotivated and very expensive player going through the motions. 
 

Saturday showed me where he is at with our club, he has checked out and keeping him hoping he suddenly has a change of heart and goes back to his 2023 form are going to be sadly disappointed. The only viable solo too is to get a fee and get his wages off the books and hopefully reinvest in a high energy midfielder who is committed and will give 100% for the club. 

Exactly how I see it too, his spoilt little boy attitude has the potential to infect the dressing room even more. He and others like him need rooting out. However, as has been said many times, most of wouldn’t be wanted by anyone at the wages they’re on.

[Richmondfox]

14 minutes ago, JJD_LCFC said:

I had hoped Winks would stay and be key in a promotion push this season again. However his attitude has clearly shown this is not going to happen. not celebrating when scoring a goal, walking down the tunnel straight after a game. Horrendous attitude and another whose negative attitude will spread in our team. Get rid now. 
 

maybe Marti knew this and that’s why played skipp and Soumare. Either way. Get him out now. 

I was hoping the same. Im assuming he got so sick of the previous 2 useless managers breaking up a partnership that worked well the previous season and also having to play with Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp or watching them make the same mistakes every week while he has to sit out.

 

We have all had to work with useless colleagues.  He seems to have gone into self sabotage mode and feeling sorry instead of using the negativity to his advantage. 
 

I also guess it doesn’t help seeing a third manager comes in, play the same shitty midfield with the same tactics and gets the same results. 

[volpeazzurro]

6 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

He was easily our best central midfielder against Preston and the only player playing incisive passes forward during the game. Miles better than Soumare, much better than El Khanouss. We are so limited in creativity in the middle he needs a better player alongside him not being shipped out and leaving us exposed to the nightmare that is a Skipp/Soumare partnership. 

I think the problem is also that those other two you mention had checked out too on Saturday.

[Stadt]

Even if we he was actually our best midfielder we should get rid, he has a year left.  Soumare has a year left. Choudhury has two years left.

 

We need to raise some funds to actually get in a non-bag-of-wank midfielder that actually wants to be here.

[JJD_LCFC]

6 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

I was hoping the same. Im assuming he got so sick of the previous 2 useless managers breaking up a partnership that worked well the previous season and also having to play with Soumare, Ndidi and Skipp or watching them make the same mistakes every week while he has to sit out.

 

We have all had to work with useless colleagues.  He seems to have gone into self sabotage mode and feeling sorry instead of using the negativity to his advantage. 
 

I also guess it doesn’t help seeing a third manager comes in, play the same shitty midfield with the same tactics and gets the same results. 

That is true. I actually didn’t even think about that. 
I thought Winks was very good in the championship. Definitely hindered by a huge managerial change and style of play. Pivotal in Enzos possession, then nothing under more defensive minded Cooper. And no idea what Ruud tried to do.
I do think there is a player in Winks who could be a focal point of the team. But recently he is self sabotaging. To not score after a goal was obviously pre planned. If he doesn’t want to be here surely just leave and get a contract at another club. 

[Richmondfox]

3 minutes ago, JJD_LCFC said:

That is true. I actually didn’t even think about that. 
I thought Winks was very good in the championship. Definitely hindered by a huge managerial change and style of play. Pivotal in Enzos possession, then nothing under more defensive minded Cooper. And no idea what Ruud tried to do.
I do think there is a player in Winks who could be a focal point of the team. But recently he is self sabotaging. To not score after a goal was obviously pre planned. If he doesn’t want to be here surely just leave and get a contract at another club. 

Shame Ricardo isn’t fit anymore because he is the answer to several positions. 

 

Hopefully we can get some a midfielder in who can do the basics like press, track runners and tackle.

It seemed so easy for PNE. 

[JJD_LCFC]

20 minutes ago, Richmondfox said:

Shame Ricardo isn’t fit anymore because he is the answer to several positions. 

 

Hopefully we can get some a midfielder in who can do the basics like press, track runners and tackle.

It seemed so easy for PNE. 

Ricardo is brilliant. Just unfortunately injured.

 

preston have players who want to play for the club. We have a host who look and play like they don’t. 1 of those players hinders a team. A couple causes huge issues. Ourselves, Last time we got relegated with a squad of Tielemans, Maddison, Barnes. Larger scale Manchester United. Only answer is to quickly remove them. Otherwise constantly fighting a losing battle. 

[Stadt]

I hope this saga has made a few realise how good Ndidi was for us. Even if he wasn't the same player in the end he was always committed and had a discernible strength.

[inckley fox]

1 hour ago, RedSoxUK said:

Martì needs to drop him and make an example out of this behaviour. Straight down the tunnel, not celebrating for whatever reason? The idiot had a fresh start with a new manager and ****ed it immediately.

 

Dropped to the reserves. Sold to whoever comes in for him. Reintegrated if he proves he wants to be here otherwise see out his contract in the reserves, year and a half without professional football good luck getting a decent deal next year.

 

Do it Martì

I understand why managers give everyone a clean slate, but this is the problem with it. As far as everyone other than the new manager is concerned, the same issues persist.

 

I still feel for Cifuentes. When I saw in the Athletic that one of the key criteria for the new boss was that he be 'malleable', I read that as them needing a guy to toe the club line and try to be nice and keep everyone on board, as opposed to coming in wielding a sledge hammer. Personally I felt we needed the sledge hammer, but the manager has come in and done what he was asked to, tried to ease the unrest, and yet his recent interviews suggest that this just isn't possible. Things have gone too far.

 

Winks' behaviour seems inexcusable. In isolation I'd understand why people would want to hear his side of the story as well as Ruud's, but essentially all the manager requested was one night at the training ground. When Winks' hero, Enzo, arrived he asked them all to spend a week there, and a lot of people speculated that certain players found themselves less involved early on in the season because they hadn't gone along with this. And, whether that's an accurate representation or not of that particular row between Ruud and a player, this isn't an incident in isolation with Winks. Just as it wasn't with Vestergard either.

 

Not only was Winks very average for the second half of the FLC season, but he celebrated the following manager's exit, fell out with the next, and appears to be having a proper sulk under the one after that. Sometimes the negative mood which is established by competent players isn't sufficiently counterbalanced by their contributions. People said that about Youri and Maddison, and they were obviously vastly superior footballers to Winks, and apparently way less problematic.

 

And, while I'd never be personally offended by Fatawu's message the other day, this is precisely the problem with it. If you have very public shows of disaffection from his team-mates, coupled with evident complacency, laziness and outright s***ness on the pitch, then you can't really expect to get the fans roaring for you. Anywhere.

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I understand why managers give everyone a clean slate, but this is the problem with it. As far as everyone other than the new manager is concerned, the same issues persist.

 

I still feel for Cifuentes. When I saw in the Athletic that one of the key criteria for the new boss was that he be 'malleable', I read that as them needing a guy to toe the club line and try to be nice and keep everyone on board, as opposed to coming in wielding a sledge hammer. Personally I felt we needed the sledge hammer, but the manager has come in and done what he was asked to, tried to ease the unrest, and yet his recent interviews suggest that this just isn't possible. Things have gone too far.

 

Winks' behaviour seems inexcusable. In isolation I'd understand why people would want to hear his side of the story as well as Ruud's, but essentially all the manager requested was one night at the training ground. When Winks' hero, Enzo, arrived he asked them all to spend a week there, and a lot of people speculated that certain players found themselves less involved early on in the season because they hadn't gone along with this. And, whether that's an accurate representation or not of that particular row between Ruud and a player, this isn't an incident in isolation with Winks. Just as it wasn't with Vestergard either.

 

Not only was Winks very average for the second half of the FLC season, but he celebrated the following manager's exit, fell out with the next, and appears to be having a proper sulk under the one after that. Sometimes the negative mood which is established by competent players isn't sufficiently counterbalanced by their contributions. People said that about Youri and Maddison, and they were obviously vastly superior footballers to Winks, and apparently way less problematic.

 

And, while I'd never be personally offended by Fatawu's message the other day, this is precisely the problem with it. If you have very public shows of disaffection from his team-mates, coupled with evident complacency, laziness and outright s***ness on the pitch, then you can't really expect to get the fans roaring for you. Anywhere.

Comparing enzo’s time with RVN doesn’t stack up

winks had a newborn whilst rvn was manager. None of know what the dynamics were of his domestic arrangements.  The fact he stood by his decision and was ok to be frozen out as a consequence tells me that there was something more than football in play. There are too many possibilities to even try and list them.  

[inckley fox]

9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Comparing enzo’s time with RVN doesn’t stack up

winks had a newborn whilst rvn was manager. None of know what the dynamics were of his domestic arrangements.  The fact he stood by his decision and was ok to be frozen out as a consequence tells me that there was something more than football in play. There are too many possibilities to even try and list them.  

Yes, I totally get where you're coming from.

 

But I'd make two points there. Firstly, if it's true (as widely reported) that Enzo asked everyone to spend a week at the training ground and that certain players didn't/couldn't attend and found themselves outside the core group for a while (which is what happened, as far as we can tell, with Winks and Ruud), then surely some of those also had valid reasons for their absence. In other words, while we don't know the ins and outs, we can suppose that what Ruud asked of him wasn't extraordinary at any club, and most players - nearly all of which have families - went along with it.

 

Secondly, if we take the view that there may be a side to the story that we're not hearing here - e.g. Ruud was more unreasonable in his demands than Enzo had been over a similar proposal - then all you can really do is look at the two individuals' track record elsewhere. Ruud has clashed with a few people in the past, certainly (though I'm yet to hear of anything beyond the pale, and ITK journalists maintained that he was fairly popular with our players), but Harry Winks has proven a problem for the last three Leicester City managers, and wasn't particularly great for a good portion of the one before that (that he actually liked!) We've seen him celebrating Cooper's exit on the day he left in an incredibly unprofessional manner, and we've seen his behaviour recently - with our own eyes. Any possible criticism of Ruud, or Cooper, or anyone else where it concerns Winks is,  on the other hand, speculative. And, under Ruud and before the rift, we saw some very half-arsed performances from him. So it's hard to formulate any sort of meaningful argument in his defence. Whichever way I try to look at it, he really does seem like one of the most rotten apples, in a slurry of vomit-inducingly putrid apples.

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Yes, I totally get where you're coming from.

 

But I'd make two points there. Firstly, if it's true (as widely reported) that Enzo asked everyone to spend a week at the training ground and that certain players didn't/couldn't attend and found themselves outside the core group for a while (which is what happened, as far as we can tell, with Winks and Ruud), then surely some of those also had valid reasons for their absence. In other words, while we don't know the ins and outs, we can suppose that what Ruud asked of him wasn't extraordinary at any club, and most players - nearly all of which have families - went along with it.

 

Secondly, if we take the view that there may be a side to the story that we're not hearing here - e.g. Ruud was more unreasonable in his demands than Enzo had been over a similar proposal - then all you can really do is look at the two individuals' track record elsewhere. Ruud has clashed with a few people in the past, certainly (though I'm yet to hear of anything beyond the pale, and ITK journalists maintained that he was fairly popular with our players), but Harry Winks has proven a problem for the last three Leicester City managers, and wasn't particularly great for a good portion of the one before that (that he actually liked!) We've seen him celebrating Cooper's exit on the day he left in an incredibly unprofessional manner, and we've seen his behaviour recently - with our own eyes. Any possible criticism of Ruud, or Cooper, or anyone else where it concerns Winks is,  on the other hand, speculative. And, under Ruud and before the rift, we saw some very half-arsed performances from him. So it's hard to formulate any sort of meaningful argument in his defence. Whichever way I try to look at it, he really does seem like one of the most rotten apples, in a slurry of vomit-inducingly putrid apples.

I know it appears he didn’t get on with cooper but we’ve no evidence that he was unprofessional whilst cooper was in charge 

 

we know he fell out with rvn 

 

who is the third coach he’s had problems with ???

[markko]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

I hope this saga has made a few realise how good Ndidi was for us. Even if he wasn't the same player in the end he was always committed and had a discernible strength.

He would have been one of the last of midfield players to go for me but plenty on here wanted him gone.

[CosbehFox]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Even if we he was actually our best midfielder we should get rid, he has a year left.  Soumare has a year left. Choudhury has two years left.

 

We need to raise some funds to actually get in a non-bag-of-wank midfielder that actually wants to be here.

Yeah he's not here next season and even if we are successful this season, you wouldn't keep him. That should be the philosophy. 

[CosbehFox]

5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I know it appears he didn’t get on with cooper but we’ve no evidence that he was unprofessional whilst cooper was in charge 

 

we know he fell out with rvn 

 

who is the third coach he’s had problems with ???

Well there was an overlap of a day where he technically was. 

 

He was at the front of the Copenhagen party and the sign at a point when players didn't even know Cooper was to be sacked next day (or they did which is probably worse!). He was subbed v Chelsea h with a muscle injury and hours later went on a flight to Copenhagen. Which is an absolute injury recovery no-no. 

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

Well there was an overlap of a day where he technically was. 

 

He was at the front of the Copenhagen party and the sign at a point when players didn't even know Cooper was to be sacked next day (or they did which is probably worse!). He was subbed v Chelsea h with a muscle injury and hours later went on a flight to Copenhagen. Which is an absolute injury recovery no-no. 

I think some of the players knew which is an ongoing problem at the club. 
 

You clearly know more than me re the muscle injury - travelling business class for an hour and a bit surely isn’t much of an issue ??? (That’s assuming they didn’t have a private jet).

[Bert]

I think a lot of the problem is that very few of us actually know what has specifically gone on. People hear things without hearing both sides and take it for gospel. Can anyone actually back up with facts that he was behind the Enzo sign?

 

We live in strange times where fans can’t wait to jump on the backs of people and criticise just because they feel they have the right to do so.

 

Of course there’s no smoke without fire and I’m not saying Winks hasn’t done anything wrong or acted unprofessionally but one thing I can say for sure is that no one on here knows the full extent of it all.
 

Disappointed that he didn’t acknowledge fans at Preston, that’s very poor in my eyes and if he continues playing here, that can’t happen again. Even if you don’t want to clap the fans at least walk off the pitch with the rest of the team together. 

He either needs to get himself a move, or failing that get on with playing football for us. 

[inckley fox]

31 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I know it appears he didn’t get on with cooper but we’ve no evidence that he was unprofessional whilst cooper was in charge 

 

we know he fell out with rvn 

 

who is the third coach he’s had problems with ???

Well, he was certainly highly unprofessional on Cooper's final day in charge. He was struggling to make an impact before that, so it's a pretty damning reflection on what his attitude may have been. To say 'well, technically the manager had already left when he was seen in a nightclub waving placards around begging for the return of the old manager' is a bit of a stretch for the defence! It's extraordinary to see a player doing that. There may be one or two other examples of something similar from the distant past, but not so comically blatant and transparently, publicly unprofessionally. I didn't rate Cooper either, but that was very poor from him.

 

The third coach is Marti. I said 'now he's having a sulk under manager number three', which I think is fair to say - otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it! Whether he personally hates Marti or not, I have no idea. But it looks like he's not behaving himself once again.

[st albans fox]

11 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Well, he was certainly highly unprofessional on Cooper's final day in charge. He was struggling to make an impact before that, so it's a pretty damning reflection on what his attitude may have been. To say 'well, technically the manager had already left when he was seen in a nightclub waving placards around begging for the return of the old manager' is a bit of a stretch for the defence! It's extraordinary to see a player doing that. There may be one or two other examples of something similar from the distant past, but not so comically blatant and transparently, publicly unprofessionally. I didn't rate Cooper either, but that was very poor from him.

 

The third coach is Marti. I said 'now he's having a sulk under manager number three', which I think is fair to say - otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it! Whether he personally hates Marti or not, I have no idea. But it looks like he's not behaving himself once again.

I thought the problem atm is with the fans who criticised him over last season ??  Not aware he has a problem with marti.  He may have an issue with the club if they’ve blocked a move …..

[MaidstoneFox]

1 hour ago, Bert said:

I think a lot of the problem is that very few of us actually know what has specifically gone on. People hear things without hearing both sides and take it for gospel. Can anyone actually back up with facts that he was behind the Enzo sign?

 

We live in strange times where fans can’t wait to jump on the backs of people and criticise just because they feel they have the right to do so.

 

Of course there’s no smoke without fire and I’m not saying Winks hasn’t done anything wrong or acted unprofessionally but one thing I can say for sure is that no one on here knows the full extent of it all.
 

Disappointed that he didn’t acknowledge fans at Preston, that’s very poor in my eyes and if he continues playing here, that can’t happen again. Even if you don’t want to clap the fans at least walk off the pitch with the rest of the team together. 

He either needs to get himself a move, or failing that get on with playing football for us. 

At 29 he should be showing a bit more leadership and acting as a role model. There might be disappointment in his own performance or the way his career is panning own, anxiety over what comes next as he hasn't got many years left. There could also be shame in the wider group that a 16 year old scored and created the other best chance, while guys nearly twice his age didn't contribute. Very turbulent times for sure as you don't know who will be at the club next week, but isolating himself won't help, as you say better to stand with his team-mates.

[OnlyOneCity]

Not only did a very talented 16 year old score his debut league goal, but the 29 year old senior player, didn’t bother celebrating it with him. Even Soumare applauded the effort.

[Vestan Pance]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I thought the problem atm is with the fans who criticised him over last season ??  Not aware he has a problem with marti.  He may have an issue with the club if they’ve blocked a move …..

Nothing to do with the supporters or the manager. It's the ongoing problem that continues from last season.

Edited 18 August 2025 by Vestan Pance

[Bert]

44 minutes ago, OnlyOneCity said:

Not only did a very talented 16 year old score his debut league goal, but the 29 year old senior player, didn’t bother celebrating it with him. Even Soumare applauded the effort.

This is exactly the stuff I mean in my previous post in this thread. 

[Filbert Fireworks]

5 hours ago, Stadt said:

Even if we he was actually our best midfielder we should get rid, he has a year left.  Soumare has a year left. Choudhury has two years left.

 

We need to raise some funds to actually get in a non-bag-of-wank midfielder that actually wants to be here.

I couldn't agree more but think we'd have to pay another club to take 'walk around' soumare off our hands. Same with skippy. 

 

The players won't accept a wage drop either so we are absolutely stuck. 

[dillonpanthers87]

6 minutes ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

I couldn't agree more but think we'd have to pay another club to take 'walk around' soumare off our hands. Same with skippy. 

 

The players won't accept a wage drop either so we are absolutely stuck. 

I miss the days of champ man - terminate contract with no fees ha.

 

Send them to train on their own on one of the many pitches at Seagrave - JVs dog will have 80% possession.