Harry Winks

[Lesta Legend]

He’ll start the next two games. 

[funkyrobot]

Just now, Chelmofox said:

Did you give him middle finger, willy puller or just clap him?

I certainly didn’t pull my Willy at him mate. I clapped the new lad Mukasa and Aluko. Kids that don’t deserve abuse. 

[grth2004]

1 hour ago, wardyfox86 said:

Letting him go for free would free up £1.6m in wages, which would offset his remaining book value. 

 

But nobody wants him and he's not about to walk away from £80k per week to play for £40k/week. 

Letting him go for free would put us in a negative situation with PSR , this was explained the other day on Leicester radio by a PSR expert. Crazy situation and ridiculous but kind of explains it 

[AKCJ]

His runner for the winning goal.

 

He's up there with Ayew as my two most hated.

[adam]

****ed off down the tunnel again at the final whistle. Should be no where near the squad.

[funkyrobot]

Just now, adam said:

****ed off down the tunnel again at the final whistle. Should be no where near the squad.

He didn’t, he came over and clapped the fans. I was there front row. Didn’t get much back but he didn’t just go down the tunnel.  

[lfu]

The only sensible decision would be terminating his contract, it wouldn't be more expensive than seeing it out until the end of June anyway

Edited 7 February by lfu

[grth2004]

2 hours ago, wardyfox86 said:

Letting him go for free would free up £1.6m in wages, which would offset his remaining book value. 

 

But nobody wants him and he's not about to walk away from £80k per week to play for £40k/week. 

Players are assets, and their cost is spread over their contract length. If a player was bought for £10m on a 3

year deal, their value drops by £3.3m each year. If sold before 3 years and on last year that would be classed as a £3.3m loss. 
That’s how I see it and ive Seen it explained before. 
No way can we afford that on our PSR debt so they let his contract run down. 

[funkyrobot]

However much people on here hate him, he has to start in this team at the moment. Our midfield is so poor, he offers the ability to take the ball on the half turn and actually play the ball forwards. Aribo might have some of that ability but he’s new and it’s difficult to judge what he’ll be. Other than that we have no option. Skipp cannot create. 

[inckley fox]

5 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

However much people on here hate him, he has to start in this team at the moment. Our midfield is so poor, he offers the ability to take the ball on the half turn and actually play the ball forwards. Aribo might have some of that ability but he’s new and it’s difficult to judge what he’ll be. Other than that we have no option. Skipp cannot create. 

I honestly wonder if some of us just aren't paying attention! Not only is he one of the foremost exponents of the culture issue at the club, we also have far worse results with him in the side. And he was worse than Aribo today, and lost his man for the winner.

 

There is literally no reason to believe that he's the answer to our problems, and all of the available information clearly points towards the very opposite.

 

Lazily saying 'oh well he's better than the alternatives' when he isn't, or 'he's a very technically gifted player' when we supposedly have loads of technically gifted players - and have seen for a long, long time that that gets you nowhere if they won't apply themselves - really helps nobody.

 

We're in a scrap and need people who are up for it. And we, more than any other club, should understand that conviction and unity can easily trump high profile 'talent'. That should be clear from our rise to prominence, and our fall. It's the one glaringly obvious lesson from it all.

[funkyrobot]

8 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I honestly wonder if some of us just aren't paying attention! Not only is he one of the foremost exponents of the culture issue at the club, we also have far worse results with him in the side. And he was worse than Aribo today, and lost his man for the winner.

 

There is literally no reason to believe that he's the answer to our problems, and all of the available information clearly points towards the very opposite.

 

Lazily saying 'oh well he's better than the alternatives' when he isn't, or 'he's a very technically gifted player' when we supposedly have loads of technically gifted players - and have seen for a long, long time that that gets you nowhere if they won't apply themselves - really helps nobody.

 

We're in a scrap and need people who are up for it. And we, more than any other club, should understand that conviction and unity can easily trump high profile 'talent'. That should be clear from our rise to prominence, and our fall. It's the one glaringly obvious lesson from it all.

Why am I being lazy by pointing out the fact he’s the only player that can actually create in midfield (without James fit) particularly from that deeper role when it’s absolute fact. I also stated Aribo might be up to it but that’s not clear based on the game today. 
 

I’d also say there is clear evidence that he can be the solution by the fact that he was the pivot solution when we won this league 2 years ago. You have to hope that King can get this response. 
 

Where’s the scrap you’ve seen in midfield by the way?  The conviction and the unity? We’ve accused the team of not trying throughout the period when Winks was out of the team. There’s not been much from anyone. You do need to create from midfield to score though, particularly when our strikers are so poor. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, grth2004 said:

Players are assets, and their cost is spread over their contract length. If a player was bought for £10m on a 3

year deal, their value drops by £3.3m each year. If sold before 3 years and on last year that would be classed as a £3.3m loss. 
That’s how I see it and ive Seen it explained before. 
No way can we afford that on our PSR debt so they let his contract run down. 

Our next accounts are audited at the end of June.  On June 30th, winks’ book value becomes zero. If we cancelled his contract today and paid him off then we’d not lose anything re the end June accounts.  There must have been an option for us to do that in January and for him to find a new club and we could save whatever they were prepared to pay him.  Given that we aren’t flush with holding tempo midfielders, the decision was to hold him. But what’s not clear is that if marti wasn’t going to play him then why didn’t we get rid early in the window. (Unless we knew we were sacking him or there was a good chance of it) 

[inckley fox]

6 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Why am I being lazy by pointing out the fact he’s the only player that can actually create in midfield (without James fit) particularly from that deeper role when it’s absolute fact. I also stated Aribo might be up to it but that’s not clear based on the game today. 
 

I’d also say there is clear evidence that he can be the solution by the fact that he was the pivot solution when we won this league 2 years ago. You have to hope that King can get this response. 
 

Where’s the scrap you’ve seen in midfield by the way?  The conviction and the unity? We’ve accused the team of not trying throughout the period when Winks was out of the team. There’s not been much from anyone. You do need to create from midfield to score though, particularly when our strikers are so poor. 

It isn't fact though. His stats are awful, creatively and defensively, and we lose more frequently when he plays than when he doesn't.

 

We can't keep looking to what happened in 23/24, when Ricardo was a far better player, when we had Hermansen, Ndidi, KDH and Vardy, when even Vestergard and Faes put in a shift, and when - in spite of all that - Winks still went massively off the boil after Xmas. He's been inconsistent at best for two years now and stands accused from all sorts of sources of being one of the most rotten of all the rotten apples. I honestly don't see anything which suggests he should be doing anything other than training with the youth team.

 

Without wishing to condescend, I'm full of respect for you as a poster. I don't want to get all spiky just because we lost and I'm pissed off about it. But I do think you're way wide of the mark on this one.

[funkyrobot]

4 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

It isn't fact though. His stats are awful, creatively and defensively, and we lose more frequently when he plays than when he doesn't.

 

We can't keep looking to what happened in 23/24, when Ricardo was a far better player, when we had Hermansen, Ndidi, KDH and Vardy, when even Vestergard and Faes put in a shift, and when - in spite of all that - Winks still went massively off the boil after Xmas. He's been inconsistent at best for two years now and stands accused from all sorts of sources of being one of the most rotten of all the rotten apples. I honestly don't see anything which suggests he should be doing anything other than training with the youth team.

 

Without wishing to condescend, I'm full of respect for you as a poster. I don't want to get all spiky just because we lost and I'm pissed off about it. But I do think you're way wide of the mark on this one.

I don’t think I can possibly be ‘way wide of the mark’ for suggesting, under good management, that one of our better, more creative footballers (amongst a very poor selection of midfielders) who is not at the age yet when his abilities will be on the dip, and who has had more victories in a LCFC shirt than any other midfielders in this team, can’t help get the team out of the mess that he’s undoubtedly help create. It’s called man management. 

[worthosoriginals]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

He didn’t, he came over and clapped the fans. I was there front row. Didn’t get much back but he didn’t just go down the tunnel.  

Good you didn't  let hate get in the way of what you witnessed 

[grth2004]

35 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Our next accounts are audited at the end of June.  On June 30th, winks’ book value becomes zero. If we cancelled his contract today and paid him off then we’d not lose anything re the end June accounts.  There must have been an option for us to do that in January and for him to find a new club and we could save whatever they were prepared to pay him.  Given that we aren’t flush with holding tempo midfielders, the decision was to hold him. But what’s not clear is that if marti wasn’t going to play him then why didn’t we get rid early in the window. (Unless we knew we were sacking him or there was a good chance of it) 

Can’t imagine even Rudkin would be stupid enough to pay a player off for his full contract so he can find another club. Why would Winks accept anything less than full wages until end of June. 
Like I said before PSR puts clubs in a ridiculous position where it’s cheaper to keep them than pay them off or sell them. 

[Slab Edd]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

However much people on here hate him, he has to start in this team at the moment. Our midfield is so poor, he offers the ability to take the ball on the half turn and actually play the ball forwards. Aribo might have some of that ability but he’s new and it’s difficult to judge what he’ll be. Other than that we have no option. Skipp cannot create. 

Thought I was in the wrong thread, you are saying this about harry 'keep it tidy and ticking " winks???

[st albans fox]

21 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

Can’t imagine even Rudkin would be stupid enough to pay a player off for his full contract so he can find another club. Why would Winks accept anything less than full wages until end of June. 
Like I said before PSR puts clubs in a ridiculous position where it’s cheaper to keep them than pay them off or sell them. 

If another club was prepared to pay him 30k/week then we’d could have cancelled his contract and paid him what we owed him less 600k. So we’d save ourselves 600k, the player wouldn’t be out of pocket and we’d have a bad egg out of the door.  Clearly that wasn’t achievable or we decided we needed him. 

[Brooksy]

Takes some doing to be the most hated of a squad of utter useless cvnts.

 

Absolute bellend. Disappointed in Kingy for bringing him back in. 

[dmayne7]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

I don’t think I can possibly be ‘way wide of the mark’ for suggesting, under good management, that one of our better, more creative footballers (amongst a very poor selection of midfielders) who is not at the age yet when his abilities will be on the dip, and who has had more victories in a LCFC shirt than any other midfielders in this team, can’t help get the team out of the mess that he’s undoubtedly help create. It’s called man management. 

Man management isn't the ability to make somebody care when they have no interest, it's about unlocking something inside of that person to push them on. Winks does not want to be here and no amount of man management will change that; can't make something it isn't.

 

And therefore it makes the whole idea of what a committed Harry Winks can do, utterly irrelevant. He isn't the player he could be for us so basically every other option in there is better. To your original comment, slightly ironic that the 2 times we broke the lines through the middle of the pitch came from Aribo and Skipp.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

****

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, Slab Edd said:

Thought I was in the wrong thread, you are saying this about harry 'keep it tidy and ticking " winks???

Have you ever watched him play? His game is literally taking the ball under pressure and turning and playing forwards. 

[funkyrobot]

40 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Man management isn't the ability to make somebody care when they have no interest, it's about unlocking something inside of that person to push them on. Winks does not want to be here and no amount of man management will change that; can't make something it isn't.

 

And therefore it makes the whole idea of what a committed Harry Winks can do, utterly irrelevant. He isn't the player he could be for us so basically every other option in there is better. To your original comment, slightly ironic that the 2 times we broke the lines through the middle of the pitch came from Aribo and Skipp.

Don’t know where you got your definition of man management from. Tbh it reads as if you’ve defined it to suit the narrative that you don’t want Winks to play. I just look at Winks and think that yes he’s definitely not going to be here next season and I’ve not been impressed by his behaviour, but whilst he’s here and with the undoubted ability he has, King might have a chance as to motivate him to perform positively for the team as Enzo did. I’ve been positive about Aribo’s performance from a creative perspective btw. Didn’t see any significant breaking of the lines by Skipp. I get that Skipp runs around, I just don’t see the defensive skills that make up for his lack of creative ability on the ball. 

[wardyfox86]

4 hours ago, grth2004 said:

Players are assets, and their cost is spread over their contract length. If a player was bought for £10m on a 3

year deal, their value drops by £3.3m each year. If sold before 3 years and on last year that would be classed as a £3.3m loss. 
That’s how I see it and ive Seen it explained before. 
No way can we afford that on our PSR debt so they let his contract run down. 

But, like I said, all of this is not taking into account his wages.

 

If the rumours of 80k/week are true, he stands to earn 1.6m by the end of his deal. 

 

Conveniently, his book value also stood at around 1.6m in January. 

 

"selling" him for nothing, and freeing up his wage, should have had zero impact on the books. 

[filbertway]

Cant  help but likee Winks. Not his fault were paying him stupid wages. But he clearly acknowledges what a clown show the club is

 

In some ways I prefer that to the people pretending everything is sound and keeping their head down.

 

Again, hes clearly overpaid l, but who isn't.