Victor Kristiansen

[Hales]

It puzzles me how he is getting more pelters than our CB's??? 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

7 minutes ago, The_77 said:

He’s shit. Look at the awful defenders that he’s had to develop around. And he looked like Robert Huth in the tackle compared to Soumare. 

 

Fixed it for you! He’s Alan Rogers with a blonde wig on 

[Muzzy_no7]

He has utter shite playing next to him, in front of him and in the double pivot.

 

Not his fault. 

[Parker Pen]

He is limited but at least he does try!

[SemperEadem]

Il take a player that cares right now.

[The_77]

1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Fixed it for you! He’s Alan Rogers with a blonde wig on 

Beyond bizarre to fixate on Kristiansen with all of the much more alarming problems around him and around the club. 

[ceebeefox]

Just now, Parker Pen said:

He is limited but at least he does try!

Thought he was our best player tonight……. Which shows how dreadful it was ‘cos he can’t play!

[dmayne7]

18 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

He’s misleading. People highlight his effort and work rate as a strength. Granted he runs around a lot and looks committed. Some of his weak tackles today led to a goal being conceded. So yes I am calling him out! And yes, everyone was shit as well.

I've just rewatched the goals on my way back and I'm genuinely confused about where he gave a goal away. He made a decent tackle on Bowen for the first goal where Soumare then somehow got spun and burnt for pace by Soucek .

 

Second goal, Vardy just decided to turn his back on the ball and the clowns around him joined in.

 

Mind you, I also heard somebody behind in the queue for the station blaming Justin for the first goal 

[LCFCJohn]

6 hours ago, The_77 said:

Beyond bizarre to fixate on Kristiansen with all of the much more alarming problems around him and around the club. 

He’s not been good but he’s also a scapegoat for many. People just seem to have taken a weird disliking to him.

 

He seems to have a better attitude than many, stories of him not getting on with some when he arrived as he had standards that others in the squad didn’t and got their backs up.

 

He will leave and go on to be successful, he already did well last season in Italy, and it will be clear as day it was this club that was the problem.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Seriously no where near good enough but I've not seen one performance where you can question his effort and application - He'll do for me right now (although I would play Thomas - Unpopular opinion that appears to be). 

[SK3Blue]

Not a PL footballer as long as he’s got a hole in his ass. Effort, yes, can’t fault him, but absolutely zero X factor.

Edited 28 February by SK3Blue

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

7 hours ago, The_77 said:

Beyond bizarre to fixate on Kristiansen with all of the much more alarming problems around him and around the club. 

Not really. He’s one of our many examples of poor recruitment

[Old Fox]

38 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

He’s not been good but he’s also a scapegoat for many. People just seem to have taken a weird disliking to him.

 

He seems to have a better attitude than many, stories of him not getting on with some when he arrived as he had standards that others in the squad didn’t and got their backs up.

 

He will leave and go on to be successful, he already did well last season in Italy, and it will be clear as day it was this club that was the problem.

I agree with the he will leave and go on - depends how you gauge success he is rubbish and Thomas is a better prospect which says everything about how we have developed over the last 3-4 years 

[roblcfc84]

Tbf to him, one of the few who gives it everything he’s got. Yeah probably not good enough, but at least he gets stuck in. 

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

This idea btw that he’s being scapegoated is nonsense. I don’t blame him for the situation. He could be probably be ok in a better side. 
 

The problem is that is an example of the drop off in recruitment. He’s so poor, unbelievably one dimensional and yes he tries hard, but… compare him to a Castagne for example as a player in a similar position. Last night one thing he’s usually good at - tackling and one on one duels he was pretty weak at.

 

To some extent those accusing others of scapegoating him just goes to show how far we’ve fallen. I’m not saying you’re defending him, but honestly what is there to defend about him?

Edited 28 February by Wasyls Pec Deck

[RowlattsFox]

A season in the championship will be good for him but I imagine he'll want out. 

[Sly]

3 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

This idea btw that he’s being scapegoated is nonsense. I don’t blame him for the situation. He could be probably be ok in a better side. 
 

The problem is that is an example of the drop off in recruitment. He’s so poor, unbelievably one dimensional and he’s he tries hard, but… compare him to a Castagne for example as a player in a similar position. Last night one thing he’s usually good at - tackling and one on one duels he was pretty weak at.

 

To some extent those accusing others of scapegoating him just goes to show how far we’ve fallen. I’m not saying you’re defending him, but honestly what is there to defend about him?

I agree.

 

He worked hard, I’d guess is not likely fitter than the rest of the squad, however he’s an average player at this level. 
 

We overspent and I don’t think he’s that much of an improvement over Thomas. 

[Sly]

2 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

A season in the championship will be good for him but I imagine he'll want out. 

I do as well. 
 

I could see him going back to Italy. 

[Tommy G]

7 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

This idea btw that he’s being scapegoated is nonsense. I don’t blame him for the situation. He could be probably be ok in a better side. 
 

The problem is that is an example of the drop off in recruitment. He’s so poor, unbelievably one dimensional and he’s he tries hard, but… compare him to a Castagne for example as a player in a similar position. Last night one thing he’s usually good at - tackling and one on one duels he was pretty weak at.

 

To some extent those accusing others of scapegoating him just goes to show how far we’ve fallen. I’m not saying you’re defending him, but honestly what is there to defend about him?

Sensible post. I agree - it’s great to see a player put the effort in and some of our fan base seem to get offended when you call a player out who is nowhere near good enough “well he’s putting a shift in”. 
 

He isn’t good enough and never has been, wish him all the best as he clearly cares but he has been such a waste of money and we need to get rid at the earliest chance if we can. 

[funkyrobot]

8 hours ago, ceebeefox said:

Thought he was our best player tonight……. Which shows how dreadful it was ‘cos he can’t play!

Of the starters Justin was better than VK tonight. 

[Foxy DK]

10 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

This idea btw that he’s being scapegoated is nonsense. I don’t blame him for the situation. He could be probably be ok in a better side. 
 

The problem is that is an example of the drop off in recruitment. He’s so poor, unbelievably one dimensional and he’s he tries hard, but… compare him to a Castagne for example as a player in a similar position. Last night one thing he’s usually good at - tackling and one on one duels he was pretty weak at.

 

To some extent those accusing others of scapegoating him just goes to show how far we’ve fallen. I’m not saying you’re defending him, but honestly what is there to defend about him?

I think it’s two things.

1. It’s really hard to assess the level of some of the players when they play in a team as bad as this. Football is a relations game and things like positioning and tactical understanding are so dependent on functioning relations. So for instance a player may seem to be out of possession in the build up for a goal against, even if he is actually just doing what’s he’s supposed to do. Add to that the confidence factor and insecurity that comes from losing all the time which easily can affect a player’s overall game from carrying the ball to passing and shooting.

2. There’s a difference between criticism however harsh and scapegoating. That’s what you’re saying as well, I think. But the former can be overdone and become the latter. I think that’s what some people think happens here. With my first point in mind, any player can look horrible if you put him under a microscope and don’t consider context.

 

For me this means that an informed opinion of a player’s general ability needs context, ie. not just the eye test. It’s stats, team form and, in VK’s case, the fact that he did well in a strong league last season - and yes, his attitude and fighting spirit as well as that is always a good indicator of a player’s chance to improve.

[LCFCJohn]

39 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

This idea btw that he’s being scapegoated is nonsense. I don’t blame him for the situation. He could be probably be ok in a better side. 
 

The problem is that is an example of the drop off in recruitment. He’s so poor, unbelievably one dimensional and yes he tries hard, but… compare him to a Castagne for example as a player in a similar position. Last night one thing he’s usually good at - tackling and one on one duels he was pretty weak at.

 

To some extent those accusing others of scapegoating him just goes to show how far we’ve fallen. I’m not saying you’re defending him, but honestly what is there to defend about him?

Clearly aimed at myself as I used the term scapegoating above so I will reply.

 

By scapegoating, I mean comparatively to other players. Thats not me saying he has been good but his thread is the first to start with the comments during and after a game. There are others who are continually worse in terms of not giving a damn.

 

You are right we have fallen and I guess that is why when you asked what is there to depend him on, just the fact he seems to actually care a bit and put some effort. You’re probably right that that shouldn’t be a reason to defend a player as it is the bare minimum. Unfortunately we have barely any that even do that.

 

What I expect, is that he will leave and he probably needs to as the fans have given up on him. But if we look in say 3, even 5 years time, he will be at a higher level that our club sadly.

 

I think we broadly agree mostly but have a different definition of scapegoating. I am looking comparatively where I think you think I am suggesting he has been good and doesn’t deserve criticism which is not what I am saying.

[pmcla26]

He’s one of our best players, one of the only players that clearly is trying their hardest each week. 

[desertfox2]

28 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

He’s one of our best players, one of the only players that clearly is trying their hardest each week. 

Exactly. Granted, it's a low bar at the moment, but he has been one of our best players, and he's still only 22. I can't understand why he is being singled out. 

[Hales]

It's weird to me his thread is so active yet Vesty and Faes not.........they are woefully worse than him....apparently more experienced and international players! Yes VK has improvements to make but he is young and how can he learn and improve alongside those two...same as Okoli.....??

Edited 28 February by Hales