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Trav Le Bleu

Also In The News - part 3

By Trav Le Bleu, in General Chat

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Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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19 minutes ago, MPH said:

I know.. i know....

 

And i have questioned this and the reply that comes back to me is that they prefer each state to make their own laws rather than most laws to be done federally as they say to me that this would be more in line  with the constitution. They believe Trump would support that. They say things like  the  Constitution of the United States divides the federal government into three branches. Legislative, executive and judicial.  This ensures that no individual or group will have too much power, apparently. They are against the central federal government having all the power. This is partly why some people vote for a federal abortion ban , for example who might not be 100% against abortion. They want that power and decision make devolved down to the individual state. They feel this is a fundamental principle that is very important to them.

 

Thats really just an example. sorry at work.

Those conversations must wear you down.  I don’t mind contrary views, but when rationale goes totally out of the window, I struggle.  I hear what you say,  but still hard to believe they could believe a professional grifter like Trump.  If the boos were anything to go by, they did not sound like they believed him last week when he spoke at their convention! 

MPH

MPH

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30 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Those conversations must wear you down.  I don’t mind contrary views, but when rationale goes totally out of the window, I struggle.  I hear what you say,  but still hard to believe they could believe a professional grifter like Trump.  If the boos were anything to go by, they did not sound like they believed him last week when he spoke at their convention! 

They do. They really do.  I do not like Trump in the slightest.  I just cant vote for someone like him. Ever.

 

I could explain more about what i hear people say  about him, but there's probably  no need. also, i don't want it to be taken as me supporting him  or liking him, my only intention was to explain WHY people vote for him. Even if it doesn't make sense to me. 

 

I will just add though that i don't think people understand the cultural difference between an American and a British person. Or at least some of them.  Often people with rationale the fact that British settlers came to the United states, we speak the same language and we dress somewhat similar so we must be the same and feel very very exasperated when they dont understand how or why Americans do things.  Or the way they do things or the way they even think.

 

Yet if you look at  a Country like Saudi Arabia which is much more stricter socially, where a woman has only just been allowed to drive a car be herself, where a woman isn't even allowed to be in a car with another man who isn't a relative or spouse..  I don't think that invokes the same level of confusion or exasperation in people, we seem more easily perhaps  subconsciously  ready to accept the differences between a Saudi and us  even if we know that what they are doing is ' more morally wrong'. 

 

I guess I'm saying that i have arrived at a place where i understand  that culturally  ( some) Americans are very different to me and i have somewhat.. lowered my expectations? and i completely understand that a lot of British people just haven't arrived at the same level of understanding/ acceptance that have and are more determined to keep americans accountable up to their own moral compass. but i am NOT saying British people are wrong for that.

 

I'm hoping this monologue  at least  comes across as coherent. even if you don't agree with the sentiments/ logic  behind it..  Maybe i'm looking into things to deeply? :D

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MPH

MPH

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I guess my point in saying all that is that a lot of the Americans i meet are very very kind people, hospitable and unintentionally very funny, even if i don't understand them at all.

Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

I guess my point in saying all that is that a lot of the Americans i meet are very very kind people, hospitable and unintentionally very funny, even if i don't understand them at all.

I get that. I am probably at the point where I should 'confess to being Anglo American' ( on my father's side). It's been a very long time since I was there( actually just after Clinton was elected)!  The older I have become the more alienated I feel from them. Trump's arrival on the political scene has certainly exacerbated that feeling.  I have to disagree with you though about Saudi Arabia. I think they are an odious regime and a fair few people I know feel the same way.  An amazing time to be in the US though! 

Sampson

Sampson

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1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

I guess I'm saying that i have arrived at a place where i understand  that culturally  ( some) Americans are very different to me and i have somewhat.. lowered my expectations? and i completely understand that a lot of British people just haven't arrived at the same level of understanding/ acceptance that have and are more determined to keep americans accountable up to their own moral compass.

You have followed British politics for the past 10 years right? The right wing in the UK have gone just as far down the pathetic populist rabbit hole.

Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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23 minutes ago, Torquay Gunner said:

I get that. I am probably at the point where I should 'confess to being Anglo American' ( on my father's side). It's been a very long time since I was there( actually just after Clinton was elected)!  The older I have become the more alienated I feel from them. Trump's arrival on the political scene has certainly exacerbated that feeling.  I have to disagree with you though about Saudi Arabia. I think they are an odious regime and a fair few people I know feel the same way.  An amazing time to be in the US though! 

Sorry I should clarify, I am not saying that you have some  sympathy with the Saudi regime, just that I find the differences between the cultures are night and day and am not more prepared to accept those differences. 

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MPH

MPH

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1 hour ago, Torquay Gunner said:

I get that. I am probably at the point where I should 'confess to being Anglo American' ( on my father's side). It's been a very long time since I was there( actually just after Clinton was elected)!  The older I have become the more alienated I feel from them. Trump's arrival on the political scene has certainly exacerbated that feeling.  I have to disagree with you though about Saudi Arabia. I think they are an odious regime and a fair few people I know feel the same way.  An amazing time to be in the US though! 


 

I know people feel the way you do about the Saudis. However, there isn’t hardly a day goes by on this page where there isn’t some sort of critical post amount Americans and the way they do things. Now, I’m not saying that’s wrong, but what I will say is that I don’t think I have seen many conversations dedicated to discussing the human rights abuses of Saudi Arabia.. Not even on a weekly basis let alone daily.

 

now just to add some balance to that comment , as @leicsmac might say, if given the chance, when you hold yourself up to be leaders of the free world and the most powerful nation in the world, well, with much power comes much responsibility.

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MPH

MPH

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1 hour ago, Sampson said:

You have followed British politics for the past 10 years right? The right wing in the UK have gone just as far down the pathetic populist rabbit hole.


 

think about how dangerous/ empowered  the far right might be in England if you add guns to the mix..

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The Fox Covert

The Fox Covert

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10 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

He won't do jail time. I certainly wouldn't expect it. Massive fine and possibly house arrest.

It would be a massive deterrent to other crooked big businessmen whose trading model is to bend the rules in their favour as much as possible. This is a cartoon I did of Dumpster when he got the first criminal charges. Trump gets the obligatory prison haircut!

Donald Dump redux.jpg

Torquay Gunner

Torquay Gunner

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55 minutes ago, MPH said:


 

I know people feel the way you do about the Saudis. However, there isn’t hardly a day goes by on this page where there isn’t some sort of critical post amount Americans and the way they do things. Now, I’m not saying that’s wrong, but what I will say is that I don’t think I have seen many conversations dedicated to discussing the human rights abuses of Saudi Arabia.. Not even on a weekly basis let alone daily.

 

now just to add some balance to that comment , as @leicsmac might say, if given the chance, when you hold yourself up to be leaders of the free world and the most powerful nation in the world, well, with much power comes much responsibility.

I think that’s in large part down to the disparity in media coverage between the two countries.  Let’s face it, there is a lot less to report on an autocracy.   The same could be said for North Korea and many other countries that are similarly reviled.

Mickyblueeyes

Mickyblueeyes

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Biden’s latest comments on the Israeli govt probably making the argument that the govt being democratically elected as valuable as saying well Hitler was once democratically elected. Guys like Givr will happily continue bombing for the fun of it. 

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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47 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Biden’s latest comments on the Israeli govt probably making the argument that the govt being democratically elected as valuable as saying well Hitler was once democratically elected. Guys like Givr will happily continue bombing for the fun of it. 

Mate 

thats not a great analogy 

the state of the Israeli govt is a good argument against PR 

 

gvir and schmotreich should be nowhere near govt, never mind ministerial posts.    Netenyahu is getting further and deeper into the corner he’s backed himself into. opposition have offered to support him to get the ceasefire deal through - the extremists will desert him.  But that is simplistic because it means the end of him politically by the end of the year and we know what that means.  Events in the north of the country may begin to take precedence because i don’t believe that the IDF can carry a war on two fronts.  I think Hezbollah will continue to up the ante to push Israel towards agreeing that ceasefire in Gaza as they draw Israel into a real conflict in s Lebanon rather than the skirmishes that have been a daily occurrence thus far. 

Mickyblueeyes

Mickyblueeyes

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1 hour ago, st albans fox said:

Mate 

thats not a great analogy 

the state of the Israeli govt is a good argument against PR 

 

gvir and schmotreich should be nowhere near govt, never mind ministerial posts.    Netenyahu is getting further and deeper into the corner he’s backed himself into. opposition have offered to support him to get the ceasefire deal through - the extremists will desert him.  But that is simplistic because it means the end of him politically by the end of the year and we know what that means.  Events in the north of the country may begin to take precedence because i don’t believe that the IDF can carry a war on two fronts.  I think Hezbollah will continue to up the ante to push Israel towards agreeing that ceasefire in Gaza as they draw Israel into a real conflict in s Lebanon rather than the skirmishes that have been a daily occurrence thus far. 

It wasn’t an analogy it was recognising what the president of the United States has recently said. 

Biden acknowledged there could be opposition in Israel to the plan. “I know there are those in Israel who will not agree with this plan and will call for the war to continue indefinitely. Some are even in the government coalition,” he said.

 

i mean that is quite a significant thing for the US President to say. 

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st albans fox

st albans fox

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14 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

It wasn’t an analogy it was recognising what the president of the United States has recently said. 

Biden acknowledged there could be opposition in Israel to the plan. “I know there are those in Israel who will not agree with this plan and will call for the war to continue indefinitely. Some are even in the government coalition,” he said.

 

i mean that is quite a significant thing for the US President to say. 

I know what Biden said

he didn’t make an analogy between the democratically elected Israeli govt and the national socialists elected in Germany as you did though 

That’s what I was referring to

 

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