Bottom 3 PL..How do LCFC prevent this , next season…

[Guest Lcfc82]

1 hour ago, FoxTimmy2 said:

The difference between promotion and relegation you ask?

 

 

The one in the bottom left never fails to make me laugh 

[fuchsntf]

29 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Burnley were also a “bounce back” established PL side who also eased the league and looked like they’d break the points record until they took their foot off the gas after being promoted with so many games to spare.

 

I’m not convinced it’s going to be that simple. I mean, Ndidi looked out of his depth at PL for the past 2 seasons and now he’s suddenly making it look easy. Ditto Faes and Vestegaard. Vardy looked past it at PL level but still hanging them in here. Many were unsure about whether KDH was really PL quality last season, now he’s got the most goal contributions in the division. There’s a lot of players who didn’t look at all convincing last season who are destroying this league. I’m not so sure they’re suddenly going to be good PL players now when we go up.
 

And let’s be honest, take Maddison and Barnes out the side last season and we would’ve scored about half the goals we did and been cut adrift at the bottom by a long way, they were the only 2 creating and scoring goals last season and we’ve not really replaced them yet. 
 

I do think we’ll need some serious investment in the spine of the team if we go up, especially in attacking/creative areas. Don’t think we’ll stay up with ease as some are suggesting. I think like Burnley, this current side would struggle to create and score at PL level.

Like it.. Some good points.. 

Though in finding someone like Enzo, doesnt that change the dynamic on a few things... Surely just on   new system ideology or thoughts..

Replacements 1 on 1 doesn't crop up. 

Though need for better conversion rates do.. 

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Though your  last paragraph is/are simular to the ways I am thinking at present. 

 

Upon rekindling, ex struggling players careers, that is the challenge and for me wrong to write off players with previous struggles, especially when dominating factor(s) fell into manager tactics or weaknesses rubric..

A lot did lay at Rodgers door...

 

PLAYERS like KDH, even Ndidi  will have a natural growth & progress.. Just look at Winks. We should as fans or in life, not forget those natural  developing while maturing phases.. 

 

AND yes as I mentioned, Burnley have been a couple of times there before, this time with a  new well placed considered manager for the challenge. 

 

AND here is proof to Motty, that discussion is not premature.. 

[Lcfc-1992]

I hope we get someone like Brentford in the FA cup so we get an idea of how we’d get on.

[VG Fox]

44 minutes ago, Harboro said:

the 3 teams that came up the season before all stayed up, and to be fair to brrnley the last team to come up with 100+pts did also spend a lot of time in the rlgtion zone before eventually escaping

ah yes, before the season of dreams 

[ARM1968]

There are some utter rubbish in the Prem, which makes our relegation even more galling. With Enzo and a few good additions I think we will survive and then thrive until, inevitably, we lose Enzo. 

[Fox92]

30 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

There are some utter rubbish in the Prem, which makes our relegation even more galling. With Enzo and a few good additions I think we will survive and then thrive until, inevitably, we lose Enzo. 

Lets see how he gets on in the PL first before saying we're gonna lose him.

[Daggers]

Step 1: do not let Maresca go under any circumstance

 

Step 2: give Maresca anything and everything he wants

[The boy Linacre]

Just invest, and there must be a reasonable amount of money, 4-6 players, but get very decent centre halves.  Sadly next season we will also need a premier league striker.

Don't do what we did summer 22, spend the money, but ideally carefully.

[lcfcsnow]

I hope Maresca has watched how Burnley have got on not only with the playing out from the back but also the position of the goalkeeper, you only have to see the goal this weekend to see how you get punished at the top level.

[Number 6]

I reckon Derby fans are watching this PL season with interest.

[murphy]

I knew that there was a chasm between Premiership and Championship but I have been surprised at just how wide the gulf is.  Those that struggled in the Prem have got cigars on it this division.

 

Without Maddison and Barnes and others we are surely a weaker side than the side that was relegated BUT we are a much more highly motivated, committed and together side.  I think that as it stands, this team would struggle in the Prem and we would get punished much more often by trying to draw the press in our own third.  There is a good chance that we are further weakened by losing out of contract Nacho, WIlf and Vardy,.

 

There is a long way to go between now and then including two transfer windows, (assuming we do go up as we seem to have the measure of this league), but I do think we need to invest or face a long struggle to avoid relegation.

 

 

[ARM1968]

14 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Lets see how he gets on in the PL first before saying we're gonna lose him.

Fair. 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Lcfc-1992 said:

I hope we get someone like Brentford in the FA cup so we get an idea of how we’d get on.

First a game to ease us in.. Then why not a Brentford, Palace.. then a Villa, Brighton, an easy quarter final against

Everton, then Spurs, building upto either Newcastle or L'pool.. Sorted.. 

That should test us for next seasons title challenge... 

[fuchsntf]

47 minutes ago, ARM1968 said:

There are some utter rubbish in the Prem, which makes our relegation even more galling. With Enzo and a few good additions I think we will survive and then thrive until, inevitably, we lose Enzo. 

Maybe Enzo being still young, would want a 5-6 yr stint, being allowed space to build on his own Aspirations and rubber stamping his name, and not just being pinged around top clubs,leaving  with no legacy.. 

Eg: at present Pochettino career, against Simeone's

Step in for PEp or Klopp, you wear others shoes... 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Make no mistake, if we go up it's going to be an absolute slog next season. Our relegation has put us pretty much back to square one as a PL club. You only have to look at the League Cup game against Liverpool for clues. 29 shots for them to our 4. Yes, we rested a few key players but so did they. We've also got another 7-8 players out of contract at the end of this season so it's going to be another busy summer for the recruitment team - one that they have to get right for us to stand any chance.

[indierich06]

I think we're probably better set up to survive already than teams like Sheff U and Luton (and possibly even Burnley tbh), in that the players we've retained/brought in so far seem to a) really fit the system and b) are probably too good for this level. You have to imagine that the likes of Hermansen, Winks, Fatawu, Mavididi, Coady, Vestergaard, Faes, Ricardo, Justin, KDH etc will all be playing very regularly - I trust that we will add smartly in January/over the summer too.

 

We're putting the cart before the horse a bit though - we're doing brilliantly, but we can't afford to start feeling like we've already made it. We're not up till we're up. Also, while I feel like we'll survive, I don't think we'll exactly thrive either, so we need to be prepared for a v different season if we go up IMO.

[indierich06]

1 minute ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Make no mistake, if we go up it's going to be an absolute slog next season. Our relegation has put us pretty much back to square one as a PL club. You only have to look at the League Cup game against Liverpool for clues. 29 shots for them to our 4. Yes, we rested a few key players but so did they. We've also got another 7-8 players out of contract at the end of this season so it's going to be another busy summer for the recruitment team - one that they have to get right for us to stand any chance.

I wonder if, depending on our position in Jan, we start making some moves with the summer in mind? Risky, but could put us ahead of the curve slightly.

[Pick Good Name Later]

It’s been an interesting watch with promoted teams in the last few seasons and strategies adopted.

 

None more so than Forest and their s**t or bust approach last season in bringing in 20 odd new faces.
 

Could argue that if a few more of the promoted teams would have adopted this approach, the dross that has been floating around at the bottom end of the PL in the last few seasons may now be plying their trade in a different league. 

 

Gotta be thinking if you’re in Sheff Utd/Burnley shoes when you’re looking at the likes of Bournemouth, Everton potentially with a 12 point deduction, Wolves, that you’ve missed a trick. 
 

 

 

 

 

[fuchsntf]

15 minutes ago, murphy said:

I knew that there was a chasm between Premiership and Championship but I have been surprised at just how wide the gulf is.  Those that struggled in the Prem have got cigars on it this division.

 

Without Maddison and Barnes and others we are surely a weaker side than the side that was relegated BUT we are a much more highly motivated, committed and together side.  I think that as it stands, this team would struggle in the Prem and we would get punished much more often by trying to draw the press in our own third.  There is a good chance that we are further weakened by losing out of contract Nacho, WIlf and Vardy,.

 

There is a long way to go between now and then including two transfer windows, (assuming we do go up as we seem to have the measure of this league), but I do think we need to invest or face a long struggle to avoid relegation.

 

 

Your right.. We can all fall in love with our promotion squad/team.. investment but without destroying the squad character & ethos we ( Enzo) wants to carry push forward.. 

 

I do believe his chosen players.. 

Winks, Fatawu, Mavididi, KDH, Justin,Cannon, maybe even a matured Casadei, Agun & Doyle tweaked from their loan.. 

Then.. Mcateer, Alves, Braybrooke, others from academy, could hold us in good stead. BUT again & again that chasm seems to be getting wider, so solid, & shrewd  not blind investment  a must without those Shannagans of past 4-5 seasons.

 

Getting promoted on a hope n a prayer days have now unfortunately gone, Before EOS some names should of already been closed as deals done for next season.. Even Doyle & Casadei could be extended loans, youth being on their & our side. But decisions made for later in the season, but on actual moment's-agenda. 

[fuchsntf]

20 minutes ago, indierich06 said:

I think we're probably better set up to survive already than teams like Sheff U and Luton (and possibly even Burnley tbh), in that the players we've retained/brought in so far seem to a) really fit the system and b) are probably too good for this level. You have to imagine that the likes of Hermansen, Winks, Fatawu, Mavididi, Coady, Vestergaard, Faes, Ricardo, Justin, KDH etc will all be playing very regularly - I trust that we will add smartly in January/over the summer too.

 

We're putting the cart before the horse a bit though - we're doing brilliantly, but we can't afford to start feeling like we've already made it. We're not up till we're up. Also, while I feel like we'll survive, I don't think we'll exactly thrive either, so we need to be prepared for a v different season if we go up IMO.

That's why I put the question out, I thinks even now, because of us making  a clean new plate, we have space on the table to move from that horrific 14 sec. preparation, to a build & prepare even this early in this season. 

This is being shrewd and seeing those 3 teams struggles. One is simply straight forward, don't rely heavily on departing loanees. Internally( not fans) let it be known first  what fund "targets" are realistic available for LCFC. 

[les-tah]

Its clear the more talented the player the better they are in this formation and style. So to be a good comfortable premier league side next year i feel Enzo needs to make some difficult decisions and be cut throat and probably let the likes of Vesterguard go and make some tough decisions on ndidi, nacho etc. Tough decisions because some of these demand high wages and player decisions for example like would ndidi really make a good 8 in the prem and he would not suit a deeper winks role. To improve our best 11 as it stands now for the premier league we would need a new star Striker, new number 8 and new left sided centre back thats Probably without changing the team too dramatically but them 3 positions would be a start. 

Edited 30 October 2023 by les-tah

[ARTY_FOX]

By being better than 3 other teams 

[Tommy G]

Quite glad Burnley are struggling, met an insufferable group of burnley lads on a stag in May - telling us they will finish top half and Kompany is the net Pep. Don't think they will singing about 10 in a row now, 10 losses maybe. 

[foxinsocks]

[Tommy G]

1 hour ago, fuchsntf said:

Maybe Enzo being still young, would want a 5-6 yr stint, being allowed space to build on his own Aspirations and rubber stamping his name, and not just being pinged around top clubs,leaving  with no legacy.. 

Eg: at present Pochettino career, against Simeone's

Step in for PEp or Klopp, you wear others shoes... 

No chance Enzo stays at Leicester for that long, if he carries on his current trajectory he will get much bigger jobs across his desks than this.