STEVIE B Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 2 hours ago, coolhandfox said: You can't be punished for appealing! It's will be 6 at most they set the bar with the benchmarking statement in the Everton appeal. There were some reports that Forest were concerned about repercussions of appealing. So they obviously thought it was possible.
STEVIE B Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 2 hours ago, ClaphamFox said: They never increase deductions because teams have appealed. Forest has concerns. Talksport reported on it.
STEVIE B Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 13 minutes ago, Gamble92 said: Where you getting that from? Forest literally just lost an appeal. Nowhere. It's called an opinion. 1
coolhandfox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 16 minutes ago, STEVIE B said: There were some reports that Forest were concerned about repercussions of appealing. So they obviously thought it was possible. The PL has been stung pretty hard by the appeals process do to making rules up on the fly. Unless it defined in the rules I don't think they could make it stick.
urban.spaceman Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 51 minutes ago, sylofox said: Just a thought. But could the Premier league refuse us entry? We're already 3-0 up against them and the EFL, I'd ****ing love to see us make it 4. But even as incompetent and irrationally as they've already behaved, I don't think they'd dare try that.
sylofox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 23 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: We're already 3-0 up against them and the EFL, I'd ****ing love to see us make it 4. But even as incompetent and irrationally as they've already behaved, I don't think they'd dare try that. I Don't either but my point was could they? Be one hell of a legal battle if they did.
urban.spaceman Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 12 minutes ago, sylofox said: I Don't either but my point was could they? Be one hell of a legal battle if they did. If they can try and hand a points deduction down to the EFL when there's no rule or precedent to do so, and try to fast track our case when those rules didn't apply to us, it's entirely plausible. In fact, I'd ****ing love it if they did. De Marco would have a field day and we'd be entirely justified in suing them.
coolhandfox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, sylofox said: Just a thought. But could the Premier league refuse us entry? Highly doubtful. It would be too messy. There is 90 days between the end othe the current PL season and the new. They would have to promote someone, we would appeal and probably challenge it a court if law, which would take more than 90 days. You would have two teams and two league not knowing who in them. Add to that the the Championship start 7 days earlier.
ozleicester Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 not sure if its been asked and answered, but, if we get relegated next season... anyone know what punishment awaits back in the efl?
coolhandfox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 3 minutes ago, ozleicester said: not sure if its been asked and answered, but, if we get relegated next season... anyone know what punishment awaits back in the efl? We would need to know the size of the breach as I think it work on the size of the breach. 1
Gamble92 Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, STEVIE B said: Nowhere. It's called an opinion. Your opinion is that a points deduction can go up on appeal even though it factually can't? Ever considered a career with TALKSPORT? 2
sylofox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 25 minutes ago, Gamble92 said: Your opinion is that a points deduction can go up on appeal even though it factually can't? Ever considered a career with TALKSPORT? As they make up the punishments as they go along how can you A. Dismiss this B. Mock him C. None of us know what they can/will do. 2
sylofox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Highly doubtful. It would be too messy. There is 90 days between the end othe the current PL season and the new. They would have to promote someone, we would appeal and probably challenge it a court if law, which would take more than 90 days. You would have two teams and two league not knowing who in them. Add to that the the Championship start 7 days earlier. Wouldn't be 90 days. Because I doubt they could do it before the June meeting when we become a member of the prem again.
ClaphamFox Posted 11 May 2024 Author Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Highly doubtful. It would be too messy. There is 90 days between the end othe the current PL season and the new. They would have to promote someone, we would appeal and probably challenge it a court if law, which would take more than 90 days. You would have two teams and two league not knowing who in them. Add to that the the Championship start 7 days earlier. On what grounds could they possibly justify even attempting to do it? 1
Gamble92 Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 46 minutes ago, sylofox said: As they make up the punishments as they go along how can you A. Dismiss this B. Mock him C. None of us know what they can/will do. Do you think Forest or Everton would have risked a further deduction? Forest have just failed in theirs and not been given a deduction. This is quite simple stuff.
coolhandfox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, sylofox said: Wouldn't be 90 days. Because I doubt they could do it before the June meeting when we become a member of the prem again. Which makes it even more unlikely. 52 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said: On what grounds could they possibly justify even attempting to do it? No idea, I think it's a none starter I was just relying to a post that mentioned it.
sylofox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 32 minutes ago, Gamble92 said: Do you think Forest or Everton would have risked a further deduction? Forest have just failed in theirs and not been given a deduction. This is quite simple stuff. Probably not. But they have done Everton and forest and are doing us. But hey ho let's just plod along with the serial offenders. These cvnts are making it up as they go along. I personally would not put anything past them.
Babylon Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 7 hours ago, Strokes said: That’s the pitfalls of owning a football club, it’s not a popularity contest. That being said, I’d still prefer they rolled the dice and take big risks. It’s just a shame they were convinced to step away from the model that had bought us such decent success by Rodgers. Not sure we did move far away from it… we tried to sign a lot of young talent, they were just mostly poor picks. We never only just signed young players, it’s about balance. 2
Strokes Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 2 hours ago, Babylon said: Not sure we did move far away from it… we tried to sign a lot of young talent, they were just mostly poor picks. We never only just signed young players, it’s about balance. No but we balanced the books each year with a big exit, we should have in hindsight sold Tielemans or Maddison after the FA cup win. We definitely had a bit of bad luck with injuries at bad times, that didn’t help.
inckley fox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, Strokes said: No but we balanced the books each year with a big exit, we should have in hindsight sold Tielemans or Maddison after the FA cup win. We definitely had a bit of bad luck with injuries at bad times, that didn’t help. People often say that you can't sell people unless offers come in, so I thought it was curious that Praet said the club had previously held out for a higher price for him, after receiving an offer. It goes to show that, on at least one occasion, we were turning down bids for unwanted players. Obviously I understand that there's a balance to be struck between getting a good fee and having your pants pulled down, but it might add some weight to the argument that the club could and should have been doing more to clear the decks. 3
Chelmofox Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 3 minutes ago, inckley fox said: People often say that you can't sell people unless offers come in, so I thought it was curious that Praet said the club had previously held out for a higher price for him, after receiving an offer. It goes to show that, on at least one occasion, we were turning down bids for unwanted players. Obviously I understand that there's a balance to be struck between getting a good fee and having your pants pulled down, but it might add some weight to the argument that the club could and should have been doing more to clear the decks. Depends what Torinos offer was. At the end of the day is might have been so low the club felt it was better to retain him as a squad player. 2
STEVIE B Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 9 hours ago, Gamble92 said: Your opinion is that a points deduction can go up on appeal even though it factually can't? Ever considered a career with TALKSPORT? I bow to your superior knowledge. I guess you're another poster who's opinion is 'fact' & who loves the smell of his own farts There's me thinking that a forum is based on opinions, thoughts & the occasional fact. Silly me. 1
Gamble92 Posted 11 May 2024 Posted 11 May 2024 1 hour ago, STEVIE B said: I bow to your superior knowledge. I guess you're another poster who's opinion is 'fact' & who loves the smell of his own farts There's me thinking that a forum is based on opinions, thoughts & the occasional fact. Silly me. Your opinions are welcome Mr.Sensitive. You can't really have opinions on things that are factual though. It kind of doesn't really work like that. 1
UniFox21 Posted 12 May 2024 Posted 12 May 2024 21 hours ago, coolhandfox said: @ozleicester 12 points is laughable. Administration is 10 points, this shouldn't be more severe 2
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