US Presidential Election 2024

[Trav Le Bleu]

So Donald, was the election fixed this time?

[CosbehFox]

 

I know Owen has a high bad take ratio but this demonstrates the issue of the US 

 

White man with privilege makes comment about someone for a cheap dig. It’s nuanced more than that and in the process it actually plays out as racism

[RoboFox]

22 minutes ago, hejammy said:

oh boy.... (true colours are being shown on this forum)

None of these big-brains are anywhere near the thread when there's some well-balanced, educated political discourse happening to offer any semblance of meaningful contribution. 

 

Just pop in to own the libs. It's so effective.

 

Edited 6 November 2024 by RoboFox

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, hejammy said:

But the biggest and hardest thing to do is engage with people who have listened to a rhetoric saying exactly what they want to hear (even if it's all BS and with no substance) - taking the high road is the most difficult road to take combating against those who use any tools necessary, so what do you do here - keep telling the "thickos" that they are being tricked or start trying to deceive them yourself? 

It's tricky, isn't it?

 

NB. James Fields must be allowing himself a quiet smile in his jail cell at having his worldview at least partly vindicated at the ballot box.

 

 

18 minutes ago, bovril said:

I know stuff like this has been posted a million times before but I think the left, at least in America, needs to get over this obsession with 'disinformation'. People have different backgrounds, upbringings, experiences that lead them to value different things. Not everything comes down to the ability to critically evaluate posts on social media. 

As much as this is true, if there's no critical analysis that leads to consensus because of these differing value systems and so fractured decision making  on certain matters because of it, that doesn't end well. That is obvious.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

I don't see how it won't be. Certainly the Democrats will never do it again.  This election had abortion and women's rights as big issues and an opponent who is both crass and misogynistic, surely favourable for a female candidate and she's been completely blown out the water. 

I have no reason to doubt this assessment, more's the pity.

[CosbehFox]

 

good analysis here 

[purpleronnie]

You would've thought Trump's personal depravity would override the cost of petrol, seems not.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

Just now, Lionator said:

People really underestimate how different the USA is compared not only to the UK, but to the rest of Europe. You could walk from the deepest part of Sicily to the most northern part of Norway and you’d find more commonality than you would with Floridians. Americans on the whole are just really inherently selfish and conservative, which is not a surprise given it’s not even 250 years old. 
 

Moral grandstanding and catastrophising is literally the reason why this stuff happens. The Democrats did not sufficiently do enough to win the trust of the population. And I really do believe that the democrats lost this election rather than Trump winning it. They are a pathetic party that have put up three pathetically bad candidates (Biden was too old, Clinton deeply unpopular, Harris just wasn’t ready) in past three elections. Time for some fresh blood and a reassessment of how they can bounce back as they should be winning in 2028. 

Clinton won the popular vote by a considerable margin in 2016, nearly 3 million votes more than Trump, so hardly unpopular. Trump lied relentlessly and used his now famous tactic of name calling (Crooked Hillary) to boost his votes and depicted victimhood, despite the fact poorer sections of US society had benefitted from Obama, although his 2nd term got sadly mired by a Republican legislature. 

 

But Biden has lost his way, Harris was tainted and uninspiring, and they conducted a mediocre campaign. 

 

 

[The Guvnor]

Regardless of what you think of the man, you have to admit it is an incredible achievement. I mean the establishment wanted him thrown in jail last year, and he has now got a second term of President of the USA FFS.

[Dunge]

6 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

 

good analysis here 

He’s right.

I think in both the US and the UK, it’s easier for a woman to lead a party to electoral success on the right rather than the left, simply because there are some socially conservative people (not just men) who don’t want to vote for a liberal woman.

[Torquay Gunner]

Imagine a Trump like figure(Farage on PCP) running for PM in this country, sounds like a few on here would vote for him. 

[Koke]

Inflation is world wide. Why are people acting so narrow minded about it. A president alone isn't responsible for this. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

11 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

NB. James Fields must be allowing himself a quiet smile in his jail cell at having his worldview at least partly vindicated at the ballot box.

Ooh, that's reminded me.

 

UK: Kier in = mass release of felons.

 

US: Trump in = mass release of Trump's mates.

 

Who exactly is likely to be pardoned?

[Super_horns]

So why so so many vote for him ?

 

Is it the personality or they actually think Trump is the best option politically .

 

Understand most of them voted mainly on the his ideas for the economy and obviously immigration.

[Koke]

Just now, Torquay Gunner said:

Imagine a Trump like figure(Farage on PCP) running for PM in this country, sounds like a few on here would vote for him. 

 

Farage is far more civilised and educated than Trump. And I can't stand Farage and his fear based politics.

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Regardless of what you think of the man, you have to admit it is an incredible achievement. I mean the establishment wanted him thrown in jail last year, and he has now got a second term of President of the USA FFS.

You say incredible achievement, but this being the USA I'm kind of, "meh."

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 minute ago, Koke said:

 

Farage is far more civilised and educated than Trump. And I can't stand Farage and his fear based politics.

Yeah, Trump tells blatant lies with no substance (and people lap it up ) but at least Farage has a little guile to try and hide his lies with half-truths and debatable statistics.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Ooh, that's reminded me.

 

UK: Kier in = mass release of felons.

 

US: Trump in = mass release of Trump's mates.

 

Who exactly is likely to be pardoned?

To be honest, I think a lot of them are in there because they didn't toe the line for him so I'm not sure how many he'll pardon.

[ithuriel]

1 minute ago, The Guvnor said:

Regardless of what you think of the man, you have to admit it is an incredible achievement. I mean the establishment wanted him thrown in jail last year, and he has now got a second term of President of the USA FFS.

I know, what's really funny is all the peeps throwing handbags at 40 paces and not really considering why and how, instead just taking comfort in their bubbles in that everyone else is stupid.

Trumps a clown but he made promises to fix things the other side just seemed to ignore, whether he can remains to be seen but if you take voters for granted, as both Labour and the Tories do eventually you'll get an unwelcome surprise.

 

[Torquay Gunner]

Just now, Koke said:

 

Farage is far more civilised and educated than Trump. And I can't stand Farage and his fear based politics.

Yes he might be more educated, one of the ways I judge people is to look at the company they keep. Birds of a feather with his bestie Trump. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

5 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

So why so so many vote for him ?

 

Is it the personality or they actually think Trump is the best option politically .

 

Understand most of them voted mainly on the his ideas for the economy and obviously immigration.

Country founded by immigrants hates immigrants.

 

Lesson is, get in early!

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

4 minutes ago, ithuriel said:

I know, what's really funny is all the peeps throwing handbags at 40 paces and not really considering why and how, instead just taking comfort in their bubbles in that everyone else is stupid.

Trumps a clown but he made promises to fix things the other side just seemed to ignore, whether he can remains to be seen but if you take voters for granted, as both Labour and the Tories do eventually you'll get an unwelcome surprise.

 

Thing is, he never fixed it last time. Think they'd learn. He inherited a strengthening, growing economy from Obama but by the end of his term, many more people were in a worse position amongst the poorest in the States. He never built his 'wall', he basically empowered Putin to extend his ambitions, and wrecked the Covid response in the US. 

Edited 6 November 2024 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[The Guvnor]

1 minute ago, ithuriel said:

I know, what's really funny is all the peeps throwing handbags at 40 paces and not really considering why and how, instead just taking comfort in their bubbles in that everyone else is stupid.

Trumps a clown but he made promises to fix things the other side just seemed to ignore, whether he can remains to be seen but if you take voters for granted, as both Labour and the Tories do eventually you'll get an unwelcome surprise.

 

I agree.

I thought there wasn’t much substance to KH just lot’s of smiles and baseless words.

[shen]

2 minutes ago, The Guvnor said:

Regardless of what you think of the man, you have to admit it is an incredible achievement. I mean the establishment wanted him thrown in jail last year, and he has now got a second term of President of the USA FFS.

The establishment? He's been sued by all corners of the country, state and civil. People want him to be held accountable for the crimes he's committed.

[Lionator]

24 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

 

I know Owen has a high bad take ratio but this demonstrates the issue of the US 

 

White man with privilege makes comment about someone for a cheap dig. It’s nuanced more than that and in the process it actually plays out as racism

Don’t think he necessarily takes a dig. It’s just demonstrating the people care more about their finances than any perceived prejudices. 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Don’t think he necessarily takes a dig. It’s just demonstrating the people care more about their finances than any perceived prejudices. 

There was no need to mention race or religion then.