US Presidential Election 2024

[StriderHiryu]

Just now, StanSP said:

What was Trump's impact on the economy in his last tenure? 

 

Did he cut taxes like he has promised to do so this time? 

 

I noted on some of the coverage last night the analysis was that economy was the number one issue across the board for voters. Is it likely that Trump sorts the US economy out for the people that voted him in? Is it a false promise? 

It's a lot more simple than that. People in the US felt better off financially 4 years ago then they do today, so they are voting with their wallet. The Economy was polled as the number one issue in the US Election throughout the run-up period, just as it was over here.

 

Can anyone who comes into power fix a global economic problem? In some ways it doesn't matter. The voting might be more of a dissatisifaction with the current incumbents than belief in the new / returning ones.

[leicsmac]

James Carville really had it right, didn't he?

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Dunge said:

That is interesting, given how everyone was talking about potential record turnout.

Definitely anomalous.

 

Political science studies are going to have a field day with the last ten or so years and with the next few. Fascinating in its own way.

[Muzzy_no7]

16 minutes ago, Dunge said:

That is interesting, given how everyone was talking about potential record turnout.

Would be more interesting to see WHERE these 15-20million live whether it’s spread evenly, in swing states or prodominantly in areas of high population/democrat influence 

[KFS]

16 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

It's a lot more simple than that. People in the US felt better off financially 4 years ago then they do today, so they are voting with their wallet. The Economy was polled as the number one issue in the US Election throughout the run-up period, just as it was over here.

 

Can anyone who comes into power fix a global economic problem? In some ways it doesn't matter. The voting might be more of a dissatisifaction with the current incumbents than belief in the new / returning ones.

Great to see that your smarts extend past football tactics. Really is as simple as that.

 

Yes there is a global squeeze but Reps have ways to manage it that will make my family better off. Skyrocketing gas, daycare, groceries etc and the answer from Dems was “I grew up like this” is NOT the answer. China and others would have laughed them out of the room.

 

Truly a very bad campaign with lots of failings. Almost Tory like, you could say. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, KFS said:

Great to see that your smarts extend past football tactics. Really is as simple as that.

 

Yes there is a global squeeze but Reps have ways to manage it that will make my family better off. Skyrocketing gas, daycare, groceries etc and the answer from Dems was “I grew up like this” is NOT the answer. China and others would have laughed them out of the room.

 

Truly a very bad campaign with lots of failings. Almost Tory like, you could say. 

It hardly takes rocket science to figure the economy was the key fighting point here.

 

The real meat of the matter is exactly why people prized (and prize) that over other matters and what exactly that means. Otherwise it just becomes as simple as "I'll pay you to vote for me".

[Torquay Gunner]

2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Still no word from Kamala? Nothing to thank the thousands of campaigners who have worked tirelessly to advance her agenda or congratulating her opposition.

Glad that she's the complete opposite of Trump and is taking defeat so graciously and in an adult-like manner.

Don’t think she is going to incite an insurrection, do you?

[RoboFox]

30 minutes ago, StanSP said:

What was Trump's impact on the economy in his last tenure? 

 

Did he cut taxes like he has promised to do so this time? 

 

I noted on some of the coverage last night the analysis was that economy was the number one issue across the board for voters. Is it likely that Trump sorts the US economy out for the people that voted him in? Is it a false promise? 

Arguably Trump's biggest legislative achievement was The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act — which was intended, per Trump, to super-charge the economy yet increased the federal debt as well as after-tax incomes disproportionately for the most affluent. Essentially, U.S. corporations got to keep more of their money, and the U.S. government got less. Economic growth and median wages saw a modest boost at the very most. Much smaller than expected.

 

Policy skewed towards the rich and so-called "trickle down economics" failing like it has pretty much for the last half a century. Colour me surprised. 

 

 

Edited 6 November 2024 by RoboFox

[shen]

14 minutes ago, KFS said:

Great to see that your smarts extend past football tactics. Really is as simple as that.

 

Yes there is a global squeeze but Reps have ways to manage it that will make my family better off. Skyrocketing gas, daycare, groceries etc and the answer from Dems was “I grew up like this” is NOT the answer. China and others would have laughed them out of the room.

 

Truly a very bad campaign with lots of failings. Almost Tory like, you could say. 

Glad I don't live in the US.

Any kind of solidarity and greater good gets promptly pushed aside when gas prices, which are far lower than in comparable Western countries anyway, goes up a bit.

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, shen said:

Glad I don't live in the US.

Any kind of solidarity and greater good gets promptly pushed aside when gas prices, which are far lower than in comparable Western countries anyway, goes up a bit.

There is precious little sense of community and solidarity over there even when "gas prices" are fair (barring a few remarkable examples). I doubt there ever was. Individualism rules Supreme.

 

And that would be fine except for the human price it costs.

 

 

[KFS]

5 minutes ago, shen said:

Glad I don't live in the US.

Any kind of solidarity and greater good gets promptly pushed aside when gas prices, which are far lower than in comparable Western countries anyway, goes up a bit.

Yep, simple as that. 
 

If what you’re taking from this is “glad I don’t live in the US” then that’s great for you mate!

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, KFS said:

Yep, simple as that. 
 

If what you’re taking from this is “glad I don’t live in the US” then that’s great for you mate!

This honesty should be appreciated in fairness, most folks in this discussion have tiptoed around their motivations regarding self interest.

[Uncle Monty]

29 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Hasn’t he pretty strongly denounced project 2025?

The lying, raping criminal? Well if he's denounced it I'm sure it must be true!

[Jattdogg]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Interesting numbers all told:

 

- around 20 million less voters than 2020

- 3 million less Repub voters

- 17 million less Dem voters

 

Make of that rather large plunge in voting enthusiasm what you will.

I was just looking at this and saw these stats

 

Last election Biden had 81.2 million to 74.2 million votes for trump. That's 155.4 million

 

Currently  we are at 71.7 million vs 66.7 milion (138.4 million)

 

I know they are still counting votes but that's a huge 17 million drop off. Why so much? A lot of people not wanting to vote for either?

 

 

 

 

[Pliskin]

I just can’t fathom how someone who surrounds themselves with a the UFC CEO, a bunch of 90’s wrestlers, and a South African sqillionaire can be considered a politician…… not to mention his more sinister……….

[HighPeakFox]

7 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

I was just looking at this and saw these stats

 

Last election Biden had 81.2 million to 74.2 million votes for trump. That's 155.4 million

 

Currently  we are at 71.7 million vs 66.7 milion (138.4 million)

 

I know they are still counting votes but that's a huge 17 million drop off. Why so much? A lot of people not wanting to vote for either?

I could suggest something sinister, with my tinfoil hat cocked at a jaunty angle... 

[foxile5]

1 hour ago, Sir Steve Howard said:

Split between degree/no degree is noticeable but not huge. Also I take these with a pinch of salt given the rubbish that you can study for a degree in these days. Would prefer to see a STEM degree split.

STEM isn't a reliable or valid measure. You're presuming that they're the only valuable subjects for assessing worth and a proxy for intelligence - isn't Musk both a Trump supporter and poster boy for STEM advancement? 

 

Also - it precludes critical thinking subjects who are much more likely to have an analytical approach to something as distinctly un-empirical like politics - English, Psychology, Sociology. 

 

You're assuming that Science, Technology, Engineering, and Maths are somehow the critical thinking subjects rather than the subjects who are most subsidised because of the capitalist social structure they best serve. 

 

Further to this - separating by STEM would remove a lot of PhD students.

[Jattdogg]

So, we know what to expect for the next 4 years.

 

The question becomes, how do the dems recover and who is their future candidate?

 

 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

So, we know what to expect for the next 4 years.

 

The question becomes, how do the dems recover and who is their future candidate?

 

 

I think Cory Booker might be worth another look.

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, KFS said:

The hyperbole in here and that tweet from Owen above really shows how little a lot of you know about the lived experience over here.

 

Inflation was absolutely a number one reason to vote this time out. I’m not a Trump fan but it was a disaster from the Dems having someone front their party who’s answer to ‘what’s your plan?” is to repeat the same rhetoric about her origin story. It was a bizarre tactic.

 

My wife and I reflected this morning that neither candidate really took our interest, so we regress to the simple notion of our wallets. My stocks and assets are already up heavily this morning. 

I think you are perhaps missing the point, Donald Trump was not solely to thank for the lower prices before the inflation skyrocket, just as Biden isn't solely to blame for high inflation. 

 

Now, of course you can prefer what one persons plan in this election is of how to go about correcting it. That’s a perfectly legitimate reason to go and vote a certain way. 

 

But as per Owen’s tweet, and what I said earlier. Believing the rhetoric that It would have been barely any different under Trump seriously misses the fact it was a global issue, that left nobody unscathed. Prices would have gone up if Trump won a second term and Biden lost, world problems aren’t just going to swerve Donald Trump. 
 

Trump = No Inflation, Harris/Biden = Inflation is an overly simplistic point of view that I’ve seen many people make, a different one I believe to the point you make that you prefer his plan for it right now. 
 

Raising and lowering interest rates are a huge part of inflation control and just like this country, it’s out of the presidents hands and the prime ministers hands and is set by the FED and the Bank of England. 
 

 

[Uncle Monty]

1 hour ago, StriderHiryu said:

It's a lot more simple than that. People in the US felt better off financially 4 years ago then they do today, so they are voting with their wallet. The Economy was polled as the number one issue in the US Election throughout the run-up period, just as it was over here.

 

Can anyone who comes into power fix a global economic problem? In some ways it doesn't matter. The voting might be more of a dissatisifaction with the current incumbents than belief in the new / returning ones.

Strider, not just an expert football analyst!

 

I'm going to go with this explanation which makes a lot of sense and is much more palatable than endorsing a corrupt businessman and racist.

 

I get that people are hard up over here (as they are everywhere), so it's easier to understand it that way.

 

Personally, I don't think the price of eggs Trumps (pardon the pun) women's rights.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

1 hour ago, KFS said:

Great to see that your smarts extend past football tactics. Really is as simple as that.

 

Yes there is a global squeeze but Reps have ways to manage it that will make my family better off. Skyrocketing gas, daycare, groceries etc and the answer from Dems was “I grew up like this” is NOT the answer. China and others would have laughed them out of the room.

 

Truly a very bad campaign with lots of failings. Almost Tory like, you could say. 

The response from the markets is pretty wild, we're up 10% today.

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Uncle Monty said:

Strider, not just an expert football analyst!

 

I'm going to go with this explanation which makes a lot of sense and is much more palatable than endorsing a corrupt businessman and racist.

 

I get that people are hard up over here (as they are everywhere), so it's easier to understand it that way.

 

Personally, I don't think the price of eggs Trumps (pardon the pun) women's rights.

Or the future of the biosphere. Or being stuck in a lifetime of debt because you got injured or sick and it's that or die and pass the debt on to your next of kin.

[StanSP]

23 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

So, we know what to expect for the next 4 years.

 

The question becomes, how do the dems recover and who is their future candidate?

 

 

You have my vote. 

[Uncle Monty]

12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Or the future of the biosphere. Or being stuck in a lifetime of debt because you got injured or sick and it's that or die and pass the debt on to your next of kin.

People are too short-sighted.

 

Anyway I don't know if you live over here but Trumpers are more than every-other person, it will be really hard going through daily life thinking everyone supports fascism.