Cooper - OUT

[winteriscoming]

Just now, winteriscoming said:

Xabi Alonso? 

Not suggesting we have any chance of getting him but possibly a similar thought process in going for Fabregas. 

[Fox92]

Just now, winteriscoming said:

Not suggesting we have any chance of getting him but possibly a similar thought process in going for Fabregas. 

Yeah I agree, and Fabregas is a good shout but I don’t think what they did as players matters which was my point.

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

The board did that.

 

However, that wasn’t my point. The past experience as a player was.

I know but I'll never pass up an opportunity to have a dig at that bell end 

[Fox92]

Just now, foxfanazer said:

I know but I'll never pass up an opportunity to have a dig at that bell end 

Oh I see. Fair enough.

[Happy Fox]

Fábregas has been managed by some of the best coaches in the world at the time same as Enzo being under the Pep influence the contrast in management In tactical set up between Enzo and Cooper is so stark so why did the board appoint Cooper?, what was the point? It still baffles me now, if the board knew they were going to contest the FFP points deduction could have appointed

 a better manager the club were going to fight this decision and they won with hiring of a competent lawyer so surely they could have done the same with the appointment as a manager, Cooper was far from our first choice.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Happy Fox said:

Fábregas has been managed by some of the best coaches in the world at the time same as Enzo being under the Pep influence the contrast in management In tactical set up between Enzo and Cooper is so stark so why did the board appoint Cooper?, what was the point? It still baffles me now, if the board knew they were going to contest the FFP points deduction could have appointed

 a better manager the club were going to fight this decision and they won with hiring of a competent lawyer so surely they could have done the same with the appointment as a manager, Cooper was far from our first choice.

Because that’s a hindsight conclusion, seems unlikely we would need to appoint to Cooper if we were certain we would pass FFP, so I guess we didn’t know this? Therefore the job was in flux, which would reduce candidates. Just a guess, but makes sense too me at least!

 

Or, the (more horrifying) conclusion is that we spread such a small net (Cooper, Potter, basically anyone who has EPL experience and their name ends in -er) that we restricted ourselves beyond reason.

 

Fabregas I know little about as a manager, realise Enzo won stuff with the u-21’s, what has Cesc done?

[sylofox]

19 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Rodgers did nothing as a player but won us a major trophy.

Then used his nothing playing career to insult the whole squad and flush us down the pan.

[FOXSE]

2 hours ago, Happy Fox said:

Those fine margins are crucial see us in our relegation season, we were only 2 points from safety! So yes sack Steve Cooper, and bring In someone better.

And there it is...... he hasn't had a really great start to the season, beyond most people's expectations.... sack him!

Edited 27 October 2024 by FOXSE

[Foxy80]

For a team to be successful they need to have the right players playing in the right positions with the right tactics and properly motivated.

I believe we have players capable of achieving that aim, but we do not have the manager capable of implementing it.

If you look at the body language of the team when they come out. They look like a team that has already lost.

Forest got rid of Cooper for a reason and we should heed that.

Or go down.

[Mon.is.a.god]

On 25/10/2024 at 23:06, Webbo said:

I see the Cooper in thread has been locked. If it ain't hate you can't post it on foxestalk. 

Yep, constructive points of mine defending him have been deleted in the past. The only thing I was guilty of was making the person I responded to look rather silly.

The forum is onto a losing battle when all those that moderate it can’t put aside their own agendas. Very petty!

[Dahnsouff]

Show some acknowledgement of free speech and lock this please. Either that or post the hymn sheet at the top.

 

Or even more controversially, reopen the Cooper In thread. (And I want him out)

 

Disgusting behaviour.

Edited 27 October 2024 by Dahnsouff

[Mon.is.a.god]

On 25/10/2024 at 23:19, Webbo said:

Whoever got the job there are people with such a downer on the club that they would be desperate to see fail. We're not in the bottom 3 ,relegation looks far from certain,  why would you sack him

This is it. As I showed a few pages back, the most vocal in here wanting Cooper out also wanted Enzo out last season as we sat top of the championship. No matter who we bring in, we’ll have a “(insert manager name in here) out” thread after a defeat of two. It’s engrained in their mindset.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

This is it. As I showed a few pages back, the most vocal in here wanting Cooper out also wanted Enzo out last season as we sat top of the championship. No matter who we bring in, we’ll have a “(insert manager name in here) out” thread after a defeat of two. It’s engrained in their mindset.

Yet we close the In variant. Feeling more and more like anti-discussion rhetoric is on show in here. Sad.

[Mon.is.a.god]

Ironically looking back at next manager threads, people on here were slating the suggestion as Nuno as a next manager. After last night and his “half time team talk”, people are holding him in the same regard as Alex Ferguson!

[The Doctor]

4 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

This is it. As I showed a few pages back, the most vocal in here wanting Cooper out also wanted Enzo out last season as we sat top of the championship. No matter who we bring in, we’ll have a “(insert manager name in here) out” thread after a defeat of two. It’s engrained in their mindset.

that's not actually true though is it? you started comparing people overreacting immediately after the defeat at Plymouth with this. people say shit when panicking immediately after a defeat like that that they don't necessarily seriously believe 

[Fox1norfolk]

15 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

And there it is...... he hasn't had a really great start to the season, beyond mist people's expectations.... sack him!

Lose 5.0 against Man U, 3.0 against Ipswich , it’s goodby Mr Cooper 

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, The Doctor said:

that's not actually true though is it? you started comparing people overreacting immediately after the defeat at Plymouth with this. people say shit when panicking immediately after a defeat like that that they don't necessarily seriously believe 

So they did say it?

[Old Fox]

2 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

Ironically looking back at next manager threads, people on here were slating the suggestion as Nuno as a next manager. After last night and his “half time team talk”, people are holding him in the same regard as Alex Ferguson!

He is Sir Alex compared to Blunder Coops

[Fox92]

11 minutes ago, Mon.is.a.god said:

This is it. As I showed a few pages back, the most vocal in here wanting Cooper out also wanted Enzo out last season as we sat top of the championship. No matter who we bring in, we’ll have a “(insert manager name in here) out” thread after a defeat of two. It’s engrained in their mindset.

Happens all the time. Same people want the manager out regardless. 

[Gazza M]

We have 9 points. Southampton, Wolves and Ipswich have 7 combined. Think it would be harsh to sack the manager after 9 games when we have A) never been in the relegation zone B) our remit preseason was to stay up. 

 

Think he needs to do himself a favour and get a 90 minute performance. We looked good up to HT Friday night but I think the players let him down slightly 2nd half.

 

Next 5 games important. Need to get tighter defensively. Not losing to Ipswich is very important first of all. 

[Fox92]

5 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

people say shit when panicking immediately after a defeat like that that they don't necessarily seriously believe 

Explains a lot of my posts tbf, especially this season. 

[Fox92]

Just now, Gazza M said:

We have 9 points. Southampton, Wolves and Ipswich have 7 combined. Think it would be harsh to sack the manager after 9 games when we have A) never been in the relegation zone B) our remit preseason was to stay up. 

 

Think he needs to do himself a favour and get a 90 minute performance. We looked good up to HT Friday night but I think the players let him down slightly 2nd half.

 

Next 5 games important. Need to get tighter defensively. Not losing to Ipswich is very important first of all. 

This is it, I’ve not seen a 90 minute performance from the players yet. We seem to have good halves. Players came out on Friday night looking like they couldn’t be arsed for the second half (if you noticed Mavididi he was still clapping the fans as the referee blew the whistle). I’d like to have known what was said to them.

[Mon.is.a.god]

On 26/10/2024 at 10:05, Aleksz said:

Call me cynical but I reckon some player intervention went into playing that system (Enzo’s system) last night. 

Yet last season people were saying there was player intervention before the Southampton at home game to not play Enzo’s system!

[FOXSE]

1 hour ago, Guppys Love Child said:

I can see your point, but for me it's also the fact that Cooper is woefully under achieving with the players at his disposal due to him just being not good enough. (This annoys me greatly)

 

Taking your hypothetical point of having 11 or 12 points by now, and bearing in mind who we have played so far, it is IMO a realistic points haul with a better manager with this team.

 

Others have posted that until we hit the bottom 3 he's going nowhere, sadly I think that's true. At a guess his remit when joining was "just keep us up" and love him or not, hate his style of management, agree with his identity-less brand of 'hand brake on' football, he's doing that. 

 

 Don't get me wrong I'm not defending him, I want shot of him ASAP, because as I've said he's suffocating our performances with what's on paper a pretty good team.

 

Thanks for at least seeing my point.

 

So at the start of the season (even after the transfer window closed, if you like), with a new manager installed, you looked at the opening 9 games and though, 11 points is what we should get from them, and have a health gap to the relegation zone?

 

Well let's look at what that would have looked like

 

Lcfc v Tottenham (narrow home defeat, don't get trounced? 0 points)

Fulham v lcfc (pick up a point away at decent mid table team - 1 point)

Lcfc v villa ( they will have top much (they are champions league man!) -0 point)

Palace v lcfc (a renowned bogey ground for us, they should be clear of relegation and we have signed 2 of their cast-offs... 1 point)

Lcfc v Everton (well clear of relegation even with a points deduction. But relegation rivals, need to win, must win. 3 points)

Arsenal v lcfc (keep the score down, don't kill our goal difference 0 points)

Lcfc v Bournemouth (should be clear of relegation, but we are at home, 3 points)

Southampton  v leicester (must win, even away, 3 points)

Lcfc v forest. (We are at home, get in to them, win 1 points.)

This is 12 points I think this would have been very optimistic trying to be in the mindset for what a newly promoted team might achieve. W3, d3 l3 solid mid table.

 

What was yours? I think to not achieve a very optimistic outcome isn't cause for the sack.

 

Edited 27 October 2024 by FOXSE

[The Guvnor]

I honesty think Coops is a decent Manager, in the infancy of his tenure and understanding the individual qualities  of his squad.

Of course there are so many tactical geniuses on this forum ,who could help him, you can only assume he never looks at Foxestalk.