Cooper - OUT

[Gamble92]

On 26/10/2024 at 16:48, guest123 said:

I take from it you have a Time Machine and gone back to 2007 when this gag was originally slightly funny 😂😂

 

relax mark, I’m joking before you get trigger happy again 🥸🥸

My rep Vs your rep. Say no more.

 

Aren't you the guy who rants at like 2am drunk that you're really hard done by by Foxestalk and indeed life? 

 

 

[Fox92]

5 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

I mean, you could argue that we’re more prepared for the PL than both Ipswich and Southampton too or do we gloss over that?

How were we more prepared? The manager who got us promoted walked out ffs. Then bought our best player from us. 
 

We are shocking but Ipswich and Southampton are worse. I’m not glossing over anything. 

[Muzzy_no7]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

The problem I have with Cooper is he is punching well above his weight. Hopefully we can get a result v Ipswich but I’m worried because I think McKenna is a far better in game manager then him. After that, we are about to hit a very poor run with little wins. Is he someone who can get us out of that for the second half of the season ? I’m certain he can’t. 

I’m extremely worried about the Ipswich game.

 

McKenna did Enzo twice last season and Spaghetti Poops will be a walk in the park for him.

 

1-0 us.

1-1.

McKenna 4 subs before 75th minute all making a difference.

George Hirst winner in stoppage time. 
 

 

[Fox92]

Just now, Muzzy_no7 said:

I’m extremely worried about the Ipswich game.

 

McKenna did Enzo twice last season and Spaghetti Poops will be a walk in the park for him.

 

1-0 us.

1-1.

McKenna 4 subs before 75th minute all making a difference.

George Hirst winner in stoppage time. 
 

 

He didn’t “do” Enzo. We should have won both games. Two late goals we conceded including one that took a deflection at their place.

[Muzzy_no7]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

He didn’t “do” Enzo. We should have won both games. Two late goals we conceded including one that took a deflection at their place.

We are talking about in game management aren’t we? 
 

In both games he did ‘do’ Enzo in terms of in game management. With 1/5 of the budget, too. 

 

In game management has been a stand out sh*t show from Poops. 

 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

7 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I’m extremely worried about the Ipswich game.

 

McKenna did Enzo twice last season and Spaghetti Poops will be a walk in the park for him. 

 

 

 

I'm not disagreeing with the general point that McKenna is a better manager than Cooper but... Did he really "do" Maresca twice last season? Not for me Clive.

[Muzzy_no7]

Just now, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

I'm not disagreeing with the general point that McKenna is a better manager than Cooper but... Did he really "do" Maresca twice last season? Not for me Clive.

In-game management was the topic of the moment, I thought. 
 

Mckenna did a much better job than Enzo overall last season IMO. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

4 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

In-game management was the topic of the moment, I thought. 
 

Mckenna did a much better job than Enzo overall last season IMO. 

 

Yeah I still don't think he particularly did, blind officials saved their skin at Portman Road and they weren't particularly good at our gaff.

 

Not disputing your last sentence or belittling his achievements by any stretch. I just don't think he particularly "did Maresca twice."

[Pliskin]

26 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

I’m extremely worried about the Ipswich game.

 

McKenna did Enzo twice last season and Spaghetti Poops will be a walk in the park for him.

 

1-0 us.

1-1.

McKenna 4 subs before 75th minute all making a difference.

George Hirst winner in stoppage time. 
 

 

Ipswich will be chaotic. It will likely be 5-4 the them. Neither team can defend, and is say Ipswich carry more threat in attack. No doubt Szmodics will have a blinder and score a hat-trick. 

[JimJams]

Ipswich don't have anything in the wide areas though do they?

[The Doctor]

59 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

In-game management was the topic of the moment, I thought. 
 

Mckenna did a much better job than Enzo overall last season IMO. 

he didn't though did he? away he was saved by the ref ignoring the most blatant penalty you'll ever see then the jammy triple deflection, at home ok one of his subs was involved in the equaliser but was more their keeper having a worldie

[lcfcbluearmy]

4 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

To be fair, @Mark listened to the complaint, and he pointed out there are far too many Cooper threads, which is fair enough and did reopen the In to provide some balance 

Would it not be better to merge the two and just reticle it Cooper- in or out?

 

 

Also we've not had a poll yet when we will have a poll I love a manager in or out poll

[Dan]

I just don't really see the point of this continuing. He's not very good and no matter what happens there is going to be a very negative undertone about the bloke. People will naturally pin this on being ex Forest, and I will concede that this isn't 100% irrelevant, but I think you could also aim similar at Puel in that nobody has any enthusiasm for a manager dumped recently by a club we've very recently been ahead of. That it's Forest is adding insult to injury.

 

The circumstances since his appointment have changed as well, not at all down to anything he's done.

 

The players are clearly not buying in and neither are the fans. Two wins in a row but all good will gone just like that. He's got too much to do for this to ever work out in the long run and I've seen very little actual ability either. We're terrible defensively, we don't create chances and our "scored in every game" stat is a complete anomaly due to very effective finishing. Not dissimilar to the latter Rodgers era.

 

An extremely ill thought out appointment that had potential to go very wrong. Well done again Top & Rudkin - ****ing Forest fans singing our managers name as they wipe their arses with us at our place. Just what I always wanted.

[Aus Fox]

7 hours ago, Walshy5 said:

I hate myself for this but I'm thinking I want us to get a good hiding in the next 2 games just to give us a chance of getting rid of him!

This is the attitude I really struggle with, I simply cannot fathom ever wanting Leicester City to lose a game, let alone get a good hiding from 2 direct relegation rivals.

Whatever you think of the manager, we need every point we can get this season, especially those against the relegation rivals. 
 

[Guppys Love Child]

10 hours ago, FOXSE said:

Thanks for at least seeing my point.

 

So at the start of the season (even after the transfer window closed, if you like), with a new manager installed, you looked at the opening 9 games and though, 11 points is what we should get from them, and have a health gap to the relegation zone?

 

Well let's look at what that would have looked like

 

Lcfc v Tottenham (narrow home defeat, don't get trounced? 0 points)

Fulham v lcfc (pick up a point away at decent mid table team - 1 point)

Lcfc v villa ( they will have top much (they are champions league man!) -0 point)

Palace v lcfc (a renowned bogey ground for us, they should be clear of relegation and we have signed 2 of their cast-offs... 1 point)

Lcfc v Everton (well clear of relegation even with a points deduction. But relegation rivals, need to win, must win. 3 points)

Arsenal v lcfc (keep the score down, don't kill our goal difference 0 points)

Lcfc v Bournemouth (should be clear of relegation, but we are at home, 3 points)

Southampton  v leicester (must win, even away, 3 points)

Lcfc v forest. (We are at home, get in to them, win 1 points.)

This is 12 points I think this would have been very optimistic trying to be in the mindset for what a newly promoted team might achieve. W3, d3 l3 solid mid table.

 

What was yours? I think to not achieve a very optimistic outcome isn't cause for the sack.

 

Good analysis, and your match breakdown of what we "could /should have" achieved I pretty much agree with if I'm honest.  But I'll still stick with my original statement that with better management, tactics, in-game adjustments, sub, etc we would have had a bigger points tally than we currently have.  

 

I don't dislike Cooper personally, but think we should part ways from a performance level, Not just from an under performance to date, but going forward as well. We stick a better chance of success and a better performance return from our players under someone else.  I appreciate this is all a load of "if , buts and maybe's" with a very heavy dose of personal option, but I don't see him changing or adapting any time soon and neither will the inconsistent result.... But they could do.

 

[StonyFox]

Whilst he's keeping us out of the bottom 3, he's not going anywhere. 

[Lad1966]

I think we should sack SC whilst we are in a reasonable position in the league, which would mean we could still attract a decent manage as well as giving him time to review the squad in time for the Jan transfer window.

Come on Top, you know it make sense!!!!

[Dahnsouff]

52 minutes ago, lcfcbluearmy said:

Would it not be better to merge the two and just reticle it Cooper- in or out?

 

 

Also we've not had a poll yet when we will have a poll I love a manager in or out poll

Sensing plenty use the Cooper Out thread as a therapy medium, so difficult to say tbh. 

[Wymsey]

Is it more down to individual errors, and not Cooper's own mistakes, that are happening?

[Dahnsouff]

Just now, Wymsey said:

Is it more down to individual errors, and not Cooper's own mistakes, that are happening?

But is that down to a lack of coaching/drills?

[Richmondfox]

2 hours ago, The Doctor said:

he didn't though did he? away he was saved by the ref ignoring the most blatant penalty you'll ever see then the jammy triple deflection, at home ok one of his subs was involved in the equaliser but was more their keeper having a worldie

This game could go either way but what’s guaranteed is a Justin mistake. 

[Trav Le Bleu]

4 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

My rep Vs your rep. Say no more.

 

Aren't you the guy who rants at like 2am drunk that you're really hard done by by Foxestalk and indeed life? 

 

 

Please, let's not compare sizes, or @StanSP will get his out.

 

By which I mean rep points, of course.

[Blue-fox]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

But is that down to a lack of coaching/drills?

There is no coaching drills or indeed coaching level needed to say we can apportion any blame on Cooper for two goals on Friday.

 

The first, in any logical thought process FB clears the ball upfield, however he doesn’t and then Justin just fluffs a clearance straight to their player. 

 

And as for Faes for the third, why he even thinks it’s remotely a good idea to nod it back to the keeper running back with a player on his back would be beyond me, the safest option is to nod it away from the goal. 
 

No one can coach the above, it’s just awful decisions by the players in that moment. 

[funkyrobot]

15 minutes ago, Blue-fox said:

There is no coaching drills or indeed coaching level needed to say we can apportion any blame on Cooper for two goals on Friday.

 

The first, in any logical thought process FB clears the ball upfield, however he doesn’t and then Justin just fluffs a clearance straight to their player. 

 

And as for Faes for the third, why he even thinks it’s remotely a good idea to nod it back to the keeper running back with a player on his back would be beyond me, the safest option is to nod it away from the goal. 
 

No one can coach the above, it’s just awful decisions by the players in that moment. 

The continual errors, the indecision and lack of confidence on the pitch are directly attributable in part to how these players are being coached. Steve Cooper is every bit as responsible for that 2nd half display as the players were. 

[sylofox]

5 hours ago, Lad1966 said:

I think we should sack SC whilst we are in a reasonable position in the league, which would mean we could still attract a decent manage as well as giving him time to review the squad in time for the Jan transfer window.

Come on Top, you know it make sense!!!!

😆 🤣 😂 😹  we never spend in January as we never have the money to spend. We also have to right our 3yr psr spend. More likely we will sell and not replace than spend.