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[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Can't bitch about the value of democracy when they vote in someone you don't like. Sometimes you just need to hold your nose. 

With the vast majority of policy related matters this is the best way.

 

But then democratic governments can and are subject to the same issues of not looking long term enough (or indeed being discriminatory) as autocratic ones, there's just more checks and balances. Democracy is the best bad idea when it comes to governance, but in some areas it has flaws that can be horribly exposed and need to be accounted for.

[Jon the Hat]

28 minutes ago, bovril said:

So continue bootlicking 

If you think we usually bootlick.  Either way the interests and security of the UK are best served by not pissing off the leader of our strongest allies.

[bovril]

1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said:

If you think we usually bootlick.  Either way the interests and security of the UK are best served by not pissing off the leader of our strongest allies.

We're their most loyal satrapy for sure. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

If you think we usually bootlick.  Either way the interests and security of the UK are best served by not pissing off the leader of our strongest allies.

If your friend is screwing up on key matters, it should be the act of a friend to tell them they're doing so. Diplomatically, of course.

Edited 23 October 2024 by leicsmac

[Otis]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

The Trump campaign complaining that Labour reps are doing work for the Dems.Clearly Farage et al were only there on holiday, then.

 

If hypocrisy could be used to generate power, the worlds energy needs would be solved by Trump, his lackeys and supporters alone. But then that was always apparent.

 

Edit: If (heaven forbid) Trump wins, then I hope Starmer has the courage to drop the diplomatic front from time to time when the two meet and be absolutely candid about what a great many people in the developed world think of him.

Hi LM. I don't recall Nigel getting 100 of his party to visit the US to campaign for Trump?

 

This is just more sleaze from this shambles of a government, which could prove quite awkward and affect us all whichever way your political leaning if Trump goes on to win.

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Otis said:

Hi LM. I don't recall Nigel getting 100 of his party to visit the US to campaign for Trump?

 

This is just more sleaze from this shambles of a government, which could prove quite awkward and affect us all whichever way your political leaning if Trump goes on to win.

The support was clearly there regardless of how many people embodied it. You simply can't complain about "electoral interference" from foreign parties when you've had political figures from the same nation stump for you, it is the very essence of hypocrisy.

 

If Trump wins, tbh some awkwardness between that government and the UK one will be low on the list of concerns and the UK (and everywhere else) is going to be affected by the decisions it makes no matter how what the UK government has or hasn't done. And those effects will be almost all overwhelmingly negative.

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

The Trump campaign complaining that Labour reps are doing work for the Dems.Clearly Farage et al were only there on holiday, then.

 

If hypocrisy could be used to generate power, the worlds energy needs would be solved by Trump, his lackeys and supporters alone. But then that was always apparent.

 

Edit: If (heaven forbid) Trump wins, then I hope Starmer has the courage to drop the diplomatic front from time to time when the two meet and be absolutely candid about what a great many people in the developed world think of him.

Yeh but that's Trump, he is the Sean Dyche Burnley of politics. Everyone knows what he does, and it's a shame the Dems are so low-IQ as to keep falling for it. I bet they actually address this lawsuit rather than just ignoring it for the attention-seeking it is. I do not know how they have so many inexperienced incompetents around them as to have turned this election into a referendum on Trump. There will be an appropriate Facebook meme shared by a 62 year old saying something like 'when they go low the only way to win is for you to go high reach for the stars' to sum up what I am saying  

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Would have been a hoot of Corbyn was PM when Trump was POTS. Though they might have actually got on as a bit of an odd couple.

Horseshoe theory, both hate NATO for example. 

[Muzzy_no7]

Labour sending over help to the democrats is embarrassing and yet another poor move by this government however they are not the only ones doing it. 

[Muzzy_no7]

BBC need to stop peddling this, so dangerous.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

[leicsmac]

9 minutes ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Labour sending over help to the democrats is embarrassing and yet another poor move by this government however they are not the only ones doing it. 

As per above, the decision making of a Trump administration is going to affect the UK and everyone else anyway.

[leicsmac]

41 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Yeh but that's Trump, he is the Sean Dyche Burnley of politics. Everyone knows what he does, and it's a shame the Dems are so low-IQ as to keep falling for it. I bet they actually address this lawsuit rather than just ignoring it for the attention-seeking it is. I do not know how they have so many inexperienced incompetents around them as to have turned this election into a referendum on Trump. There will be an appropriate Facebook meme shared by a 62 year old saying something like 'when they go low the only way to win is for you to go high reach for the stars' to sum up what I am saying  

This is fair, but I'm not sure how much more effective treating it with the amused contempt and ignorance it deserves would be either.

[bovril]

A bit of distance between the UK and US for a few years is probably a positive thing for us overall. 

[Wymsey]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

BBC need to stop peddling this, so dangerous.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

Can't help but think what if the deceased was white and a police officer who killed him was black - would there be the same media attentiont/scutiny with it?

[Spudulike]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

BBC need to stop peddling this, so dangerous.

 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3dvdmzxz82o

The headline itself is problematic. 'Traumatised' sounds very alarmist and not necessary. The BBC have lost their way in some aspects.

 

11 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Can't help but think what if the deceased was white and a police officer who killed him was black - would there be the same media attentiont/scutiny with it?

Doesn't seem to matter what the ethnicity of the officer is. If the deceased is non-black then we don't get the media whipping up a frenzy. For example....

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51932465

 

[Zear0]

1 hour ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Labour sending over help to the democrats is embarrassing and yet another poor move by this government however they are not the only ones doing it. 

This has nothing to do with the government.

[kenny]

2 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

This has nothing to do with the government.

 

Normally it wouldn't be. The individuals might just volunteer and self fund their visit.

 

Unfortunately, this post suggests that Labour Party HQ are more involved  then they publicly should be.

[Zear0]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

 

Normally it wouldn't be. The individuals might just volunteer and self fund their visit.

 

Unfortunately, this post suggests that Labour Party HQ are more involved  then they publicly should be.

Wow, a screenshotted Social media post with a Gmail address, I stand corrected.

[leicsmac]

Just now, kenny said:

 

Normally it wouldn't be. The individuals might just volunteer and self fund their visit.

 

Unfortunately, this post suggests that Labour Party HQ are more involved  then they publicly should be.

... like the ones stumping for the Repubs did?

 

Oh wait...

 

Again, this is hypocrisy and projection of the highest order even if it's fully confirmed, which should be expected from Trump and his ilk.

[MPH]

4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

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Edit: If (heaven forbid) Trump wins, then I hope Starmer has the courage to drop the diplomatic front from time to time when the two meet and be absolutely candid about what a great many people in the developed world think of him.

 

Trump is a big man child. He’ll take this very personally and will likely snub him at opportune meetings and might even refuse to go to England.

Edited 23 October 2024 by MPH

[Zear0]

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

Trump is a big man child. He’ll take this very personally and will likely snub him at opportune meetings and might even refuse to go to England.

I suspect he's more amused that he's absolutely hooked the right wing media and their gullible readership.

 

He knows what he's doing here. 

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

... like the ones stumping for the Repubs did?

 

Oh wait...

 

Again, this is hypocrisy and projection of the highest order even if it's fully confirmed, which should be expected from Trump and his ilk.

 

the problem I see here is that it’s being organized by the ‘head of operations’ of the Labour Party. It suggests very much that this could be an officially organized trip which is wether the rule breaking MAY have happened.

[urban.spaceman]

3 hours ago, Nalis said:

Would have been a hoot of Corbyn was PM when Trump was POTS. Though they might have actually got on as a bit of an odd couple.

They're far more alike than people realise.

 

Narcicists ✅

Born into privilege ✅

History of abject failure ✅

Friendships with dodgy and dangerous people ✅

Terrible understanding of global affairs ✅

Never taken any responsibility for anything they've ever done ✅

Very weird culty fanbase ✅

***** ✅

[MPH]

1 minute ago, Zear0 said:

I suspect he's more amused that he's absolutely hooked the right wing media and their gullible readership.

 

He knows what he's doing here. 

 

you are right. But he also takes things very personally and doesn’t forget easily..

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

Trump is a big man child. He’ll take this very personally and will likely snub him at opportune meetings and might even refuse to go to England.

That's entirely likely, which is a measure of the man and would show that the decision was the correct one.

 

As before, the office deserves respect, the person occupying it (in his case) deserves none.

 

1 minute ago, MPH said:

 

the problem I see here is that it’s being organized by the ‘head of operations’ of the Labour Party. It suggests very much that this could be an officially organized trip which is wether the rule breaking MAY have happened.

It's possible, but even if it is I see it as at worst no worse than the ones complaining about it have gotten up to.