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bovril

bovril

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Briton, 18, jailed after 'holiday romance' in Dubai

 

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/6hPVGq

 

Seems a bit harsh to the young lad considering there's only 1 year difference between the couple but got to follow the local rules.

Feel sorry for him. Comes across as quite spiteful behaviour from the Mum who presumably waited til her daughter was home before reporting.

 

Edit - misread the story and didn't understand that the Mum was out there as well. Still seems very spiteful and it wouldn't surprise me if she knew in Dubai but waited til they were home and he was still out there. 

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urban.spaceman

urban.spaceman

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Tory headlines:

 

"Labour’s Business Backers Desert Party: From 120 Backers to Just 28 in Five Months"

 

In reality, half way down the original article:

 

"Just under 90 failed to respond to multiple requests for comment."

 

So... almost 100% of the people who DID respond are backing Labour?

 

Our media is absolutely disgraceful.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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19 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Tory headlines:

 

"Labour’s Business Backers Desert Party: From 120 Backers to Just 28 in Five Months"

 

In reality, half way down the original article:

 

"Just under 90 failed to respond to multiple requests for comment."

 

So... almost 100% of the people who DID respond are backing Labour?

 

Our media is absolutely disgraceful.

Standard.

 

Those folks are very, very good at leveraging the power they have, both on standard and social media. It at least partly explains their continued success at world ballot boxes.

st albans fox

st albans fox

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1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

Tory headlines:

 

"Labour’s Business Backers Desert Party: From 120 Backers to Just 28 in Five Months"

 

In reality, half way down the original article:

 

"Just under 90 failed to respond to multiple requests for comment."

 

So... almost 100% of the people who DID respond are backing Labour?

 

Our media is absolutely disgraceful.

City AM would make the argument that not answering (despite many requests) would imply that they no longer have support. It doesn’t mean that they are anti - just that they are no longer prepared to publicly support.  I understand the way you’ve looked at it (and you could be right) but their deduction is also supportable. 

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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20 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

City AM would make the argument that not answering (despite many requests) would imply that they no longer have support. It doesn’t mean that they are anti - just that they are no longer prepared to publicly support.  I understand the way you’ve looked at it (and you could be right) but their deduction is also supportable. 

This like of reasoning is entirely fair, except for the bit where they blatantly fail to qualify their remarks and state such supposition as fact in the headline, knowing people will read and believe that first.

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Tommy G

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2 hours ago, Torquay Gunner said:

Hope they get a nice long sentence with plenty of retaliatory action along the way.

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Agreed - what a distressing case. 

st albans fox

st albans fox

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49 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

This like of reasoning is entirely fair, except for the bit where they blatantly fail to qualify their remarks and state such supposition as fact in the headline, knowing people will read and believe that first.

surely if they asked 6 months ago and 120 business’ replied stating support for Labour and now only 28 will do that  then the headline isn’t unreasonable.  A backer is surely someone who replies positively without needing to be prodded several times and still not answering. clearly city AM have an agenda here but having initially thought the same as Urban, I read the article and then changed my mind somewhat.  Headlines will always be headlines (from all sides). 

leicsmac

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15 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

surely if they asked 6 months ago and 120 business’ replied stating support for Labour and now only 28 will do that  then the headline isn’t unreasonable.  A backer is surely someone who replies positively without needing to be prodded several times and still not answering. clearly city AM have an agenda here but having initially thought the same as Urban, I read the article and then changed my mind somewhat.  Headlines will always be headlines (from all sides). 

Presenting the legit bolded supposition as fact and extrapolating it to a headline in order to, yes, satisfy an agenda, is entirely unreasonable, IMO, and I'm not sure why it wouldn't be.

 

And while headlines are indeed headlines, I would hypothesise (as opposed to state as fact) that the current bias from media both print and social is in no way even handed either, and that has an effect.

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Sampson

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30 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Worrying that reform are gathering significant financial backers - Nick Candy the latest 

The west is ****ed. Wonder if we’ll be able to hold out till the centenium of WW2 in 2039 before WW3. I don’t hold out hope. 
 

I do totally get the frustration and wanting to tear down society and start again. But voting Reform and turning everyone on immigrants to create an us vs them culture so they can anba international treaties designed to protect European citizens from their own governments isn’t the way to do that ffs. I’d have hoped they’d have learnt that Farage was a total snake oil salesman after his lifetime goal of Brexit solved nothing and only caused more problems, but still they keep going. It’s exactly the same thing, campaigning against something without actually offering what will happen afterward

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Guest Electric Yetis

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4 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

Often wondered if the UK has sufficient war weaponry, in case it's needed, but it seems to get rarely reported.

Is this inbetween wondering about whether Jamie Vardy will have an alcoholic drink named after him?

leicsmac

leicsmac

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19 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Worrying that reform are gathering significant financial backers - Nick Candy the latest 

And though the next election is some time away, they're advancing in polling data too.

 

I said at the election itself that next time Reform would either get zero seats, or enough seats to affect policymaking in a serious fashion. It seems to be playing out towards the latter so far.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Sampson said:

The west is ****ed. Wonder if we’ll be able to hold out till the centenium of WW2 in 2039 before WW3. I don’t hold out hope. 
 

I do totally get the frustration and wanting to tear down society and start again. But voting Reform and turning everyone on immigrants to create an us vs them culture isn’t the way to do that ffs. 

It's like every eighty to one hundred years, a large part of humanity needs to be convinced that other people aren't subhuman things at the barrel of a gun, rather than through ethical discussion.

 

Unfortunately this time, not only is the potential for devastation so much higher than any other point in human history, the Earth itself will be putting massive resource-based pressure on billions of people, further pushing the needle.

 

I suppose the rather dark comfort is that in the current time, those who believe in "Us and Them", even if they win, will not get the world they desire for long. The laws of physics and their own self interested nature will see to that, even if they disregard it, and may they serve as a cautionary tale to the next "advanced" species that might arise.

leicsmac

leicsmac

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5 minutes ago, Sly said:

I think Labour will only do one term if they continue like they are. 

The warning signs are clearly there, but it's difficult to say what they should do that will negate the problem while maintaining even a hint of the ethical humanity that might separate them from those who would replace them.

 

The wheel appears to be spinning out of control except for those who are perfectly happy to be amoral power mongers.

Sly

Sly

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

The warning signs are clearly there, but it's difficult to say what they should do that will negate the problem while maintaining even a hint of the ethical humanity that might separate them from those who would replace them.

 

The wheel appears to be spinning out of control except for those who are perfectly happy to be amoral power mongers.

They’ve had to make some choices which will have caused some backlash. 
 

They’ve got 4 years (ish) to get the country on the road to recovery.

 

I can’t imagine what a reform lead country looks like. 

Parafox

Parafox

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9 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

He won't think it now, but it'll do him good. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep. He won't go to Dubai again

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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37 minutes ago, Sly said:

They’ve had to make some choices which will have caused some backlash. 
 

They’ve got 4 years (ish) to get the country on the road to recovery.

 

I can’t imagine what a reform lead country looks like. 

I can. All too well.

Sampson

Sampson

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2 hours ago, Sly said:

I think Labour will only do one term if they continue like they are. 

Wasn’t it around 17mil Lab-LibDem-Green to around 10mil Tory-Reform last time round? That’s a huge margin.

 

I think Labour could lose their majority but I can’t really see them being in a position where a Lab-Lib coalition is also gone. There’s too much ground for the Right in the uk to make up imo and LibDems are way closer to Labour than Tories nowadays unlike in 2010.

 

Tories and Reform will split each others vote too much. Tories got power so often in the last because they had little competition and LibDems and Greens would split Labour’s vote. 

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