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[Clogger_]

52 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

 

Edited 21 December 2024 by Clogger_
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[the fox]

So he admits that it was premeditated and somehow he thinks his actions of killing and injuring civilians are "ethically justified"?. Maybe the German judicial system should show him how firm their hands can be.

[Mickyblueeyes]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Very odd

he's alive so we would eventually find out what his motivation was 

could it make any sense ? Struggling to see that 

Whilst we should be relieved that this doesn’t seem to be  an ‘islamist terror attack’, in the public arena that die is already cast by the fact he’s from Saudi. 

Member of a far right group - I’d put money on it that his motivation (or more so those behind him) wanted to carry out such an attack for the very purpose the far right exist, to create mayhem, a race war and a subsequent “revolution”. As usual, they’ve not been very bright in their choice. 
 

It’s like you say, there’s stupidity in community who associate person with their own stereotype. What they’ve been told to believe. Simpletons. These simpletons hinder progress. 

 

The reality is, a maniac has driven a car into men, women and children, all innocent and few days before a holiday. I mean there is no good time but pretending this is a lone wolf because he doesn’t fall into the usual stereotype is a dangerous thought that officials (and parts of the public) tend to do. Take the horrendous murder of Joe Co MP. The person was classed as a lone wolf without association and it allowed the dangerous far right groups with their awful rhetoric to go underground. a short time after later there was a plot to kill another MP, thankfully foiled. The person planning it was linked to the same group as the Jo Cox murderer. 

[st albans fox]

9 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Member of a far right group - I’d put money on it that his motivation (or more so those behind him) wanted to carry out such an attack for the very purpose the far right exist, to create mayhem, a race war and a subsequent “revolution”. As usual, they’ve not been very bright in their choice. 
 

It’s like you say, there’s stupidity in community who associate person with their own stereotype. What they’ve been told to believe. Simpletons. These simpletons hinder progress. 

 

The reality is, a maniac has driven a car into men, women and children, all innocent and few days before a holiday. I mean there is no good time but pretending this is a lone wolf because he doesn’t fall into the usual stereotype is a dangerous thought that officials (and parts of the public) tend to do. Take the horrendous murder of Joe Co MP. The person was classed as a lone wolf without association and it allowed the dangerous far right groups with their awful rhetoric to go underground. a short time after later there was a plot to kill another MP, thankfully foiled. The person planning it was linked to the same group as the Jo Cox murderer. 

The fella seems to be very confused with his beliefs (judging by his tweets that have been referenced before his account was shut down) 

all sides of all arguments are going to point to something on this that supports their narrative. meanwhile, assuming he gets to trial, we may get some further insight if he pleads not guilty. But he has nothing to say that anyone should be listening to. His actions have disqualified him 

[Daggers]

13 hours ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

If you're insane enough, just about anything can be turned into a dildo

 

👍

[hejammy]

3 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

What irony? He's a Saudi national. Not a German. 

 

Whether these attacks are committed  in some misguided crusade for Islamism is irrelevant. 

 

These ultra cowardly attacks on soft targets at concerts, markets or children's play groups are almost exclusively committed by immigrants (or the children of immigrants) .... regardless of their 'cause' 

 

 

 

 

 

 

An absolute case of scaremongering. Do you actually know the percentage of cases of, as you put it, immigrants (or the children of) that these attacks (for whatever reason it may be) are? In the USA you will find the majority of the population is an immigrant or children of, same in Canada. Look at our City. This is just pure rhetoric that you feel obliged to fling around, same with your use of the word "islamism". 

[Foxdiamond]

16 minutes ago, hejammy said:

An absolute case of scaremongering. Do you actually know the percentage of cases of, as you put it, immigrants (or the children of) that these attacks (for whatever reason it may be) are? In the USA you will find the majority of the population is an immigrant or children of, same in Canada. Look at our City. This is just pure rhetoric that you feel obliged to fling around, same with your use of the word "islamism". 

MI5 recently stated that their counter terrorism work is split 75% extremist islamist and 25% far right.

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, Daggers said:

👍

Naughty step for you.

 

But don't worry, having sorted countless parcels for the prison, I can confirm Santa doesn't care if you've been naughty or nice.

[bovril]

Looks like many of his posts on social media were ranting about Germany not being open to Saudi refugees, but it's all a bit incoherent. Basically it looks like he - a non-German - wanted to kill as many Germans as possible. People will make of that what they will I guess. 

[bovril]

1 hour ago, hejammy said:

An absolute case of scaremongering. Do you actually know the percentage of cases of, as you put it, immigrants (or the children of) that these attacks (for whatever reason it may be) are? In the USA you will find the majority of the population is an immigrant or children of, same in Canada. Look at our City. This is just pure rhetoric that you feel obliged to fling around, same with your use of the word "islamism". 

Do you have a source for this, because it seems very unlikely. 

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Member of a far right group - I’d put money on it that his motivation (or more so those behind him) wanted to carry out such an attack for the very purpose the far right exist, to create mayhem, a race war and a subsequent “revolution”. As usual, they’ve not been very bright in their choice. 

Absolute gibberish 

 

Why is everything a far right conspiracy? 

 

This most obvious explanation is usually the most likely. He's a nutter. And add that to being from a cultural background that seems to enjoy attacking the easiest and most innocent of targets. 

[leicsmac]

Elon Musk claiming that 'the AfD is the only party capable of "saving Germany,"'

 

Well, I guess he'd know all about apartheid states and benefiting from them, wouldn't he?

[Mickyblueeyes]

45 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Absolute gibberish 

 

Why is everything a far right conspiracy? 

 

This most obvious explanation is usually the most likely. He's a nutter. And add that to being from a cultural background that seems to enjoy attacking the easiest and most innocent of targets. 

You’ve been a bit silly on this forum previously. You seem to be doing it again. 
 

Reputable newspapers are linking this individual to a far right party hence the reference. Your weird responses have had no reference as to why you’re spouting such bullshit. 
 

And Jo Cov was murdered by a far right member and, the same group targeted another MP but were foiled before they could carry it out. Have no idea how that was gibberish.

[Paninistickers]

19 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

You’ve been a bit silly on this forum previously. You seem to be doing it again. 
 

Reputable newspapers are linking this individual to a far right party hence the reference. Your weird responses have had no reference as to why you’re spouting such bullshit. 
 

And Jo Cov was murdered by a far right member and, the same group targeted another MP but were foiled before they could carry it out. Have no idea how that was gibberish.

Why are you so concentrated on the politics of it?

 

Yup, Jo Cox murder by a white guy with far right stuff in his screwed head.  It's an outlier. You don't seem to mention David Amess as much tho, doesn't  quite fit your agenda presumably

 

The headcase who killed those Nottingham students. Southport. Ariana Grande.  Solingen. Walworth stabbings. Even serious question marks over the poor guy in Edinburgh missing his head on Halloween..

 

I'm not into the politics. This isn't a left/right issue. 

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

33 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Why are you so concentrated on the politics of it?

 

Yup, Jo Cox murder by a white guy with far right stuff in his screwed head.  It's an outlier. You don't seem to mention David Amess as much tho, doesn't  quite fit your agenda presumably

 

The headcase who killed those Nottingham students. Southport. Ariana Grande.  Solingen. Walworth stabbings. Even serious question marks over the poor guy in Edinburgh missing his head on Halloween..

 

I'm not into the politics. This isn't a left/right issue. 

 

I’m not concentrated - the point is, you are! 
 

I was simply commenting on THIS matter. How important it is to not just dismiss the affair as a one off, nut job. Understand where it’s coming from. 
 

You talk about an agenda fella. So far it’s only you displaying one. 
 

read the original post (which wasn’t even a comment to you) there is a far right element to this attack based on early reports and that possibly combined with an immigration issue needs to be investigated. 
 

Like I’ve said you’ve had moments on this forum before and then piped down once the facts come out, take a seat for a bit.

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

Do you have a source for this, because it seems very unlikely. 

It's extremely likely if you go back 200 years.

 

Even 100-150 years ago large numbers of Irish, Scottish and Chinese. Famously whole communities proudly keep their old country traditions alive.

 

Countries such as USA, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the whole of the Americas basically... have no business refusing immigration considering the foundations of their current governance.

[Paninistickers]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

I’m not concentrated - the point is, you are! 
 

I was simply commenting on THIS matter. How important it is to not just dismiss the affair as a one off, nut job. Understand where it’s coming from. 
 

You talk about an agenda fella. So far it’s only you displaying one. 
 

read the original post (which wasn’t even a comment to you) there is a far right element to this attack based on early reports and that possibly combined with an immigration issue needs to be investigated. 
 

Like I’ve said you’ve had moments on this forum before and then piped down once the facts come out, take a seat for a bit.

Dude, I'll try to de-escalate a bit and always happy to eat humble pie when needed. 

 

I think we'd agree this fella is a weak, sick, cowardly individual. The area we disagree is you think this is some kind of call to arms for the right. Whereas I don't. 

[Mickyblueeyes]

19 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Dude, I'll try to de-escalate a bit and always happy to eat humble pie when needed. 

 

I think we'd agree this fella is a weak, sick, cowardly individual. The area we disagree is you think this is some kind of call to arms for the right. Whereas I don't. 

No the area we disagree on is that there are elements of this attack which, need to be investigated and really thought about. Saying this is just a lone wolf without trying to understand the why, leaves us just as vulnerable. 

[bovril]

5 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

No the area we disagree on is that there are elements of this attack which, need to be investigated and really thought about. Saying this is just a lone wolf without trying to understand the why, leaves us just as vulnerable. 

Judging by what I've read so far - if it's true - it isn't that difficult to understand. He literally posted about killing Germans on social media because he resented the country's politics. Massive **** up from German authorities.

[Paninistickers]

15 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

No the area we disagree on is that there are elements of this attack which, need to be investigated and really thought about. Saying this is just a lone wolf without trying to understand the why, leaves us just as vulnerable. 

Then you/we confused this individual attack whilst my points being more general..

 

There is clearly and unarguably a small but significant number of people who have chosen to live in western Europe but, for whatever reasons, don't like it.

 

And rather than being practical and choosing to either influence change with argument or upping sticks and moving to somewhere they do like, they choose to murder children in the cruellest of fashions

 

That didn't really happen with Jews who moved here prior to WWII, or poles after WWII, or with Indians in the 70s or the windrush generation from the Caribbean or EU immigration in the 90s and 2000s

 

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

25 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Then you/we confused this individual attack whilst my points being more general..

 

There is clearly and unarguably a small but significant number of people who have chosen to live in western Europe but, for whatever reasons, don't like it.

 

And rather than being practical and choosing to either influence change with argument or upping sticks and moving to somewhere they do like, they choose to murder children in the cruellest of fashions

 

That didn't really happen with Jews who moved here prior to WWII, or poles after WWII, or with Indians in the 70s or the windrush generation from the Caribbean or EU immigration in the 90s and 2000s

 

 

I have no idea what your points are - I haven’t made any attempt to review them. You did however reply to my initial post which was specific to this - which from your responses I still have no idea what point it is you are trying to make. . I do find it interesting that a couple of pages ago you’ve criticised a politician for determining cause but then happy to do the same. 
 

Anyway, reference to a far right party and news reports is bad for you - got that from it. Nothing else. As you were.

[nnfox]

He was a nutter.  He was responsible for his actions.  He takes the blame.

 

You can debate forever and a day about the influence that the far right (whoever they are) had on him but we may never know which came first - did the far right make him a nutter, or was he a nutter in the first place who found solace in the far right?

 

What is dangerous is just writing off as "it was the far right what did it", because with that broad stroke you dilute the blame onto a large section of a nameless society and don't see the specifics.

 

If he's linked to a specific far right group and there's evidence that they conspired to carry out this specific attack, then folk can go to town on them, until then we should all have some patience and not jump to conclusions.

[Grebfromgrebland]

Worth a look for those who have difficulty getting actual news.

 

[Vacamion]

 

Before the match between Rot-Weiss Essen and VfB Stuttgart, they held a minute's silence for the victims of Magdeburg.

 

Some Pondscum shouted out during the silence "Germany for the Germans" and was immediately shouted down by the crowd who chanted en masse "Nazis Out, Nazis Out".

 

It is utterly spine tingling to watch.

 

The Idiot was arrested and charged with incitement, and won't see a football ground for a while.

 

Restored my faith in people, at least a little bit.

[leicsmac]

21 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

Before the match between Rot-Weiss Essen and VfB Stuttgart, they held a minute's silence for the victims of Magdeburg.

 

Some Pondscum shouted out during the silence "Germany for the Germans" and was immediately shouted down by the crowd who chanted en masse "Nazis Out, Nazis Out".

 

It is utterly spine tingling to watch.

 

The Idiot was arrested and charged with incitement, and won't see a football ground for a while.

 

Restored my faith in people, at least a little bit.

That pretty much sums up the precipice our species is at right now.

 

It'll tip one way... or the other.