Oliver Skipp Confirmed

[Vacamion]

 

Skipp has improved this season and in the absence of injured / mardy / lazy / young midfield alternatives, Skipp is far from our team's biggest issue.

 

It looked to me that we were diminished by his absence at the weekend.

 

 

[hinkfox21]

I rate Skipp. He is a frustrating player at times but when we are in League 1 he will tear that league apart

[funkyrobot]

Our midfield without Winks is anonymous, Skipp offers very little. People will say that there are problems far worse than him but he’s not being part of the solution. We can’t afford to continue to carry someone in such a vital central role. What does he do? 

[fox_favourite]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

Our midfield without Winks is anonymous, Skipp offers very little. People will say that there are problems far worse than him but he’s not being part of the solution. We can’t afford to continue to carry someone in such a vital central role. What does he do? 

But who else comes in? We have no other options other than skipp. He's mobile, and yes doesn't add much, but he never stops. 

[funkyrobot]

Just now, fox_favourite said:

But who else comes in? We have no other options other than skipp. He's mobile, and yes doesn't add much, but he never stops. 

He never stops doing what though? Creates very little, doesnt dictate a game, doesn’t break that much up, doesn’t take the ball on the half turn, not a goal threat. He even bottled an easy header in the second half, turning his back as he jumped. I’d play Winks alongside Aribo and Mukasa in the 10 role. 

[JimJams]

Look forward to being ran through then.

 

Though that'll probably happen regardless.

Edited 7 February by JimJams

[funkyrobot]

15 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Look forward to being ran through then.

 

Though that'll probably happen regardless.

We got ran through for 90 minutes today with Skipp in midfield. 

[everton carr]

12 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

We got ran through for 90 minutes today with Skipp in midfield. 

Yep anyone would think we played over an hour with 10 Men

[funkyrobot]

44 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Yep anyone would think we played over an hour with 10 Men

What about Wrexham, Coventry, QPR and Watford when Skipp started and the team kept 11 players on the pitch?  The point is, the midfield is still ‘ran through’ with Skipp playing and not Winks. 

[Stuntman_Mike]

13 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

But who else comes in? We have no other options other than skipp. He's mobile, and yes doesn't add much, but he never stops. 

He never stops adding much is the best summary of that lad tbf.

[everton carr]

22 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

What about Wrexham, Coventry, QPR and Watford when Skipp started and the team kept 11 players on the pitch?  The point is, the midfield is still ‘ran through’ with Skipp playing and not Winks. 

Think you will find we have won more points this season with Skipp then with Winks in the side.

[old koppite]

16 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

What about Wrexham, Coventry, QPR and Watford when Skipp started and the team kept 11 players on the pitch?  The point is, the midfield is still ‘ran through’ with Skipp playing and not Winks. 

I don’t completely understand why you having such a go at Skipp? You prefer Winks, but blimey yesterday Winks was absolutely pathetic  - for such an experienced talented c m he had no effect on the game at all . To me he seems to play within himself most of the time.
Skipp gave 100% all game, and a few games ago we all saw some consistency to his performances. The concussion interrupted his improvement. 
With hindsight , I’d have rather had Page on yesterday instead of Winks- at least we’d have got some youthful energy and spark from Page.

[FOXSE]

13 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

We got ran through for 90 minutes today with Skipp in midfield. 

Come on, it was hardly a bonnie blue highlights video!

[Product of 84]

Skipp is a bit like Wellens...

 

I was surprised to see Skipp is only 25. I thought he was much older. 

 

I guess he has the potential to keep improving and learn to dominate the middle of the pitch with age and experience. 

 

In a losing team he isn't particularly likeable due to his playing style. Then you consider he came in at a bad time and played poorly. Fan's feelings for him isn't going to change over night, even with the better form he has shown more recently. That's before you consider his price tag and what the expectation is for a player purchased for that much. 

 

He is an easy target for us. He can't change any of that. Unless he suddenly becomes much, much better. 

 

That said I do think he makes players around him better tho. They just aren't performing either.

Edited 8 February by Product of 84

[funkyrobot]

13 minutes ago, old koppite said:

I don’t completely understand why you having such a go at Skipp? You prefer Winks, but blimey yesterday Winks was absolutely pathetic  - for such an experienced talented c m he had no effect on the game at all . To me he seems to play within himself most of the time.
Skipp gave 100% all game, and a few games ago we all saw some consistency to his performances. The concussion interrupted his improvement. 
With hindsight , I’d have rather had Page on yesterday instead of Winks- at least we’d have got some youthful energy and spark from Page.

My issue with Skipp is he doesn’t really offer anything and I don’t see how you can call Winks yesterday ‘absolutely pathetic’ without applying that same classification to Skipp’s performance. It was Skipp after all that visibly bottled a headed challenge yesterday. Anyone of us watching can run around like a blue arsed fly on a football pitch giving 100% but at this level you need more than that. Skipp gets judged on here with far lower expectations than pretty much every other player in our squad. If he’s running around it seems all is good, even though he doesn’t really influence the game defensively or offensively with that running around. 

Edited 8 February by funkyrobot

[funkyrobot]

23 minutes ago, everton carr said:

Think you will find we have won more points this season with Skipp than with Winks in the side.

Skipp has played more games and more minutes within those games than Winks.

[old koppite]

Just now, funkyrobot said:

My issue with Skipp is he doesn’t really offer anything and I don’t see how you can call Winks yesterday ‘absolutely pathetic’ without applying that same classification to Skipp’s performance. It was Skipp after all that visibly bottled an headed challenge yesterday. Anyone of us watching can run around like a blue arsed fly on a football pitch giving 100% but at this level you need more than that. Skipp gets judged on here with far lower expectations than pretty much every other player in our squad. If he’s running around it seems all is good, even though he doesn’t really influence the game defensively or offensively with that running around. 

But come on, he doesn’t just “ run around “ does he?

Hes a water carrier type player, which all teams need. 
Are you disputing that he was starting to show some real value to the team a few weeks ago?

I don’t think he has been let off on here- but in fact the opposite for most of the season until he found a bit of form. He’s had a lot of abuse on here. 
I believe he cares and always does his best- that’s far better than some of the other wasters in the club. 

 

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, old koppite said:

But come on, he doesn’t just “ run around “ does he?

Hes a water carrier type player, which all teams need. 
Are you disputing that he was starting to show some real value to the team a few weeks ago?

I don’t think he has been let off on here- but in fact the opposite for most of the season until he found a bit of form. He’s had a lot of abuse on here. 
I believe he cares and always does his best- that’s far better than some of the other wasters in the club. 

 

I agree that he had showed some signs of improvement in early December but that has disappeared and we are seeing the Skipp of old again. I know that he cares, I know that he tries his best, he also comes across as a nice guy off the pitch but I just don’t see his influence on the pitch. He doesn’t do enough to be called the water carrier - that role influences games, with Skipp that term is almost an excuse to hide his anonymity. 

[old koppite]

1 hour ago, funkyrobot said:

I agree that he had showed some signs of improvement in early December but that has disappeared and we are seeing the Skipp of old again. I know that he cares, I know that he tries his best, he also comes across as a nice guy off the pitch but I just don’t see his influence on the pitch. He doesn’t do enough to be called the water carrier - that role influences games, with Skipp that term is almost an excuse to hide his anonymity. 

Ok, fair enough. I understand where you’re coming from. I think he’ll start on Tuesday so let’s hope he gets back to the improvement we saw pre concussion.

Personally, I still see him as a water carrier type, even if he’s not consistently good at it. 

Maybe I see a bit of myself in him from when I played as a c m at amateur level many years ago!  I was lucky enough to play for 25 years at adult level. I remember a few comments, especially in my 30s,  re it wasn’t clear what I did to justify starting, but after players actually played in a game with me I had compliments of appreciation. 
Anyway, I’m just hoping we scrap a win out of Tuesday, and then enough points to keep us up- I don’t care how scruffy, lucky, dirty or boring we have to become to achieve it, and for me a team of tryers is better than a team of posers in the present situation.

[funkyrobot]

1 minute ago, old koppite said:

Ok, fair enough. I understand where you’re coming from. I think he’ll start on Tuesday so let’s hope he gets back to the improvement we saw pre concussion.

Personally, I still see him as a water carrier type, even if he’s not consistently good at it. 

Maybe I see a bit of myself in him from when I played as a c m at amateur level many years ago!  I was lucky enough to play for 25 years at adult level. I remember a few comments, especially in my 30s,  re it wasn’t clear what I did to justify starting, but after players actually played in a game with me I had compliments of appreciation. 
Anyway, I’m just hoping we scrap a win out of Tuesday, and then enough points to keep us up- I don’t care how scruffy, lucky, dirty or boring we have to become to achieve it, and for me a team of tryers is better than a team of posers in the present situation.

Yeh I agree he plays on Tuesday. I want him to prove me wrong. I always remember years back when Simon Grayson went from a figure of derision to be a stalwart for us and I hope Skipp can do that. At the moment I just don’t see enough of a contribution that affects games positively. There’s plenty in the team that could have that criticism thrown their way tbf. I just think central midfield is one of the worst places to have a player who can be anonymous. 

[Dmitry]

Have you noticed that every time they show him on the pitch, his head gets balder? He's giving the Foxes all he's got. 

[LCFCCKEANO]

 

2 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

I agree that he had showed some signs of improvement in early December but that has disappeared and we are seeing the Skipp of old again. I know that he cares, I know that he tries his best, he also comes across as a nice guy off the pitch but I just don’t see his influence on the pitch. He doesn’t do enough to be called the water carrier - that role influences games, with Skipp that term is almost an excuse to hide his anonymity. 

We do also have to remember we have gone through the busiest part of the season with no back up for him or James which is probably a good reason why both looked slow throughout Jan. Every team without depth like us has fallen apart over the last month or two and the teams with massive depth (Ipswich, Brum, Wrexham) all seem to have found their feet, not a coincidence, you can’t get through an EFL winter with two fit cm’s, one (shite) left back, Ricardo at right back, no back up for Fatawu, and no feasible striker. Think a lot of the players who’s for has fallen off a cliff could pick up form over the next month or two, provided the heads haven’t completely gone 

[cropstonfox]

31 minutes ago, LCFCCKEANO said:

 

We do also have to remember we have gone through the busiest part of the season with no back up for him or James which is probably a good reason why both looked slow throughout Jan. Every team without depth like us has fallen apart over the last month or two and the teams with massive depth (Ipswich, Brum, Wrexham) all seem to have found their feet, not a coincidence, you can’t get through an EFL winter with two fit cm’s, one (shite) left back, Ricardo at right back, no back up for Fatawu, and no feasible striker. Think a lot of the players who’s for has fallen off a cliff could pick up form over the next month or two, provided the heads haven’t completely gone 

Correct .A weak squad.most of these would be cover players for the ones that were sold/released so that we could continue paying this poor squads wages.

Great strategy. 

[OntarioFox]

1 hour ago, Dmitry said:

Have you noticed that every time they show him on the pitch, his head gets balder? He's giving the Foxes all he's got. 

Cortisol.

[Supergray22]

5 hours ago, Stuntman_Mike said:

He never stops adding much is the best summary of that lad tbf.

Agreed. It’s not his fault but if we hadn’t bought him our balance sheet would have looked far healthier. And we sold KDH for similar money. Culprit is JR and anyone else who sanctioned the transfers.