Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Foxin_Mad]

2 hours ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I had a similar conversation with someone at the game yesterday, for me I think Ruud gets excused at times as a result of the poor transfer window.
 

With the time Ruud has had he should have been able to implement a style/identity. On the ball the lack of recruitment can effect how Ruud wants to play, however, off the ball this is where a manager can lay the ground works prior to getting the players he feels he needs. 
 

Off the ball we’ve been atrocious. The press has been poor, the structure in midfield has been poor and the shape of the backline until recently was very poor. All these factors for me are something a manager can implement in the time frame Ruud has had. 

Can you really implement style and identity with players you haven’t chosen, who may not be good enough or the right type of player for the style or identity you want? It’s particularly difficult when you have been using Coopers coaching staff for a good few months. In short it’s been a cluster ****, mainly on the clubs part but perhaps Rudd was naive to accept under such crap conditions. You need at least a window to have a fair crack at it. You can’t really stamp too much on a team you haven’t had any influence in building. 

[The Horse's Mouth]

9 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I dont think McKenna is as good as people are making out. Hes spent 100 million this year and still got beat by us. A manager that spends 100 million on players should be beating a 'crap manager' dead rubber or not. 

 

Rudd has never been in league 1 or the Championship to win it so we don't know, you don't know! chances are he probably would as any old shit like Mckenna, Martin, Farke, Parker can. 

 

So Thomas, McAteer, Monga and Evans aren't young attacking players?!? okkk then

 

Dyche is probably the best of the bunch of names, he did a good job playing Dycheball the Burnleh way, and moaning about other teams having more money. Is his style what we need right now, is he good at bringing through young players, did he do well at Everton, all err no.

 

Always a cracker to bring out the troll and thick trope when you disagree...class well done. 

 

Much like people thinking Martin would be a better option, or Manning who got spanked 6-0 by Sheffield ****ing United 

If your argument is we don’t know because ruud doesn’t have these accomplishments then maybe don’t make the statement? 
 

two simple retorts to that, how many games (and  Thomas isn’t a youth player now he literally won fa cup ffs) and we literally went 3 months without a goal ffs

 

make actual logical arguments then and maybe I won’t think you’re thick or trolling, 

 

 

[Gubbins]

3 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Can you really implement style and identity with players you haven’t chosen, who may not be good enough or the right type of player for the style or identity you want? It’s particularly difficult when you have been using Coopers coaching staff for a good few months. In short it’s been a cluster ****, mainly on the clubs part but perhaps Rudd was naive to accept under such crap conditions. You need at least a window to have a fair crack at it. You can’t really stamp too much on a team you haven’t had any influence in building. 

Pretty much every manager comes into a club without choosing the players and having most of them not be as good as he'd like. This is the reason you give for RvN being a record breakingly bad manager? 

[Bluearmyfox28]

4 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Can you really implement style and identity with players you haven’t chosen, who may not be good enough or the right type of player for the style or identity you want? It’s particularly difficult when you have been using Coopers coaching staff for a good few months. In short it’s been a cluster ****, mainly on the clubs part but perhaps Rudd was naive to accept under such crap conditions. You need at least a window to have a fair crack at it. You can’t really stamp too much on a team you haven’t had any influence in building. 

And as I stated in my original post, on the ball yes your points are true, but off the ball I honestly don’t believe that is the case. 
 

He talks about fitness implying we aren’t fit enough to play the high press he wants yet completely dropped McAteer for several weeks when you could argue his best quality is his work rate. Then to replace him with Ayew who can’t be arsed half the time. That’s not fitness that’s decision making.
 

I actually love the standards Ruud sets, it’s old school and refreshing. However, what he states and what gets shown in his decision making and the play on the pitch are completely different and shouldn’t be ignored. 
 

Implementing a solid defensive structure and a good press can be implemented at any level of football, I just don’t buy it.

[Dmitry]

5 hours ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Can you really implement style and identity with players you haven’t chosen, who may not be good enough or the right type of player for the style or identity you want? It’s particularly difficult when you have been using Coopers coaching staff for a good few months. In short it’s been a cluster ****, mainly on the clubs part but perhaps Rudd was naive to accept under such crap conditions. You need at least a window to have a fair crack at it. You can’t really stamp too much on a team you haven’t had any influence in building. 

Isn't that literally the manager's job description, to make the best of the team of players he manages? RVN is just poor at his job, because he can't bring the best out of individual players and the team as a whole and he doesn't appear to have a modicum of imagination, intuition or foresight. Has to go ASAP.

[trooky]

20 hours ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Not sure I agree with a lot of this,  but one thing is for sure in my mind, McKenna is hugely overrated.

 

We have been total shite all season, not just under RVN and we’re above them.  A lot of people saying things like, ‘Yeah but if Ipswich could finish they’d have won’ is a weak argument.

 

If Daka could finish we’d have more points etc etc.  

 

We’ve been garbage all season, spent nothing and remained garbage.

 

He spent a lot and made Ipswich worse.  That’s not a good coach.

He's not totally overrated after taking Ipswich to successive promotions. 

 

The gulf is huge between the championship and Premier league, he may have spent £100 million but how many premiership quality players will that actually buy. 

 

The only player they have who will stay in the PL is Delap, all the other signings were good championship players. 

 

If he's spent £500 million on the squad and was still relegated then you'll have a point. 

Edited 20 May 2025 by trooky

[Claudio Fannieri]

Reckon these charges will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back regards Ruud, wouldn’t be shocked to see him walk it by mutual consent. Whilst it’s been a bit of a disaster,  I have some sympathy for him given the utter clusterfcuk he took on and was clearly misled regards transfer funds etc for January. 

[ClaphamFox]

8 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Reckon these charges will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back regards Ruud, wouldn’t be shocked to see him walk it by mutual consent. Whilst it’s been a bit of a disaster,  I have some sympathy for him given the utter clusterfcuk he took on and was clearly misled regards transfer funds etc for January. 

Ruud will have known for some time that this is coming and he still wants to stay. He'll very likely be with us next season.

[teblin]

8 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

Reckon these charges will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back regards Ruud, wouldn’t be shocked to see him walk it by mutual consent. Whilst it’s been a bit of a disaster,  I have some sympathy for him given the utter clusterfcuk he took on and was clearly misled regards transfer funds etc for January. 

I almost think it could be the opposite, it means he stays as we can’t risk another payout.

[Parker Pen]

5 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Ruud will have known for some time that this is coming and he still wants to stay. He'll very likely be with us next season.

I agree and I think we are preparing for a season of potential points deduction, a cull of the first team squad and promoting and playing the youngsters.

[Foxin_Mad]

12 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

If your argument is we don’t know because ruud doesn’t have these accomplishments then maybe don’t make the statement? 
 

two simple retorts to that, how many games (and  Thomas isn’t a youth player now he literally won fa cup ffs) and we literally went 3 months without a goal ffs

 

make actual logical arguments then and maybe I won’t think you’re thick or trolling, 

 

 

Well you can’t say he doesn’t have accomplishments for something he’s never had the opportunity to do.

 

I never said Thomas was youth but he is under 25 that’s young and pre prime

 

They are as logical as yours so you seem to be the expert on being a thick troll. Maybe you are 5, ‘troll’ pathetic goon!

Edited 20 May 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[Vindaloo FOX]

If he stays please get him some help

[SuperMike]

2 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

If he stays please get him some help

If he stays we're doomed. Worst manager football has ever known.

[The Horse's Mouth]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Well you can’t say he doesn’t have accomplishments for something he’s never had the opportunity to do.

 

I never said Thomas was youth but he is under 25 that’s young and pre prime

 

They are as logical as yours so you seem to be the expert on being a thick troll. Maybe you are 5, ‘troll’ pathetic goon!

I can say he doesn’t have those accomplishments because he’s doesn’t  , you’re saying he’s better than managers that have actually achieved something in the game with no basis of fact behind it 

 

Thomas has already peaked, hes a championship player at best 

 

how is your argument logical, we don’t know but yes he’s better than these managers is the main crux of your argument  

[The Horse's Mouth]

10 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

If he stays please get him some help

If we genuinely keep him I don’t see the point because he’ll be gone by November guaranteed 

[ajthefox]

Ruud saying he doesn't know his future and now this ruling, it's hard not to put 2 and 2 together and come to the conclusion that we knew this was coming and haven't sacked him for that reason.

 

Maybe he'll go after the financial year ends but it's feeling more likely he stays and that fills me with dread. I don't understand why anyone is defending him, it's almost physically impossible for us to have been any worse.

 

Keeping this bloke after overseeing a statistically record-breaking relegation is embarrassing.

 

[Lesta Legend]

The frauds at football insider saying he’ll be sacked. So in charge for the first game then. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, ajthefox said:

Ruud saying he doesn't know his future and now this ruling, it's hard not to put 2 and 2 together and come to the conclusion that we knew this was coming and haven't sacked him for that reason.

 

Maybe he'll go after the financial year ends but it's feeling more likely he stays and that fills me with dread. I don't understand why anyone is defending him, it's almost physically impossible for us to have been any worse.

 

Keeping this bloke after overseeing a statistically record-breaking relegation is embarrassing.

 

It all went wrong when we employed Cooper nothing to do with Ruud no manager would have kept us up 

[ajthefox]

14 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

It all went wrong when we employed Cooper nothing to do with Ruud no manager would have kept us up 

There is a lot that has gone wrong, but Ruud has statistically been atrocious. 

 

We broke records for losing and not scoring in consecutive games. Not just in the PL but in the history of the top tier.

 

How can you say it is nothing to do with Ruud.

[whoareyaaa]

27 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

There is a lot that has gone wrong, but Ruud has statistically been atrocious. 

 

We broke records for losing and not scoring in consecutive games. Not just in the PL but in the history of the top tier.

 

How can you say it is nothing to do with Ruud.

Because he came in when we was already in a mess.

 

im not really bothered about the records he broke who cares we was going down with or without Ruud.

[TheGoldenGod]

Anyone genuinely discussing a topic based on a FootyInsider source needs booking in for a brainscan.

[Fox92]

58 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

It all went wrong when we employed Cooper nothing to do with Ruud no manager would have kept us up 

A decent manager would have kept us up. Moyes would have. Look at how he turned Everton around and their squad isn't that good either.

 

This bloke is the worse manager I've ever seen and going 9 games without scoring defines that. Absolute joke. He should have gone months ago.

Edited 20 May 2025 by Fox92

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, Fox92 said:

A decent manager would have kept us up. Moyes would have. Look at how he turned Everton around and their squad isn't that good either.

Not with our defenders, he wouldn't. That was an impossible task.

[whoareyaaa]

3 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

A decent manager would have kept us up. Moyes would have. Look at how he turned Everton around and their squad isn't that good either.

 

This bloke is the worse manager I've ever seen and going 9 games without scoring defines that. Absolute joke. He should have gone months ago.

We would never have got Moyes, you honestly think we would have stayed up not a chance mate

Edited 20 May 2025 by whoareyaaa

[whoareyaaa]

45 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

There is a lot that has gone wrong, but Ruud has statistically been atrocious. 

 

We broke records for losing and not scoring in consecutive games. Not just in the PL but in the history of the top tier.

 

How can you say it is nothing to do with Ruud.

Obviously he has not been good but he has had his hands tied behind his back the day he arrived.