Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Pliskin said:

The point is despite the squad being “woeful” Cooper at least got a tune out of them, and Ruud hasn’t even managed a squeak. Regardless of the squad Ruud has been appalling and can’t be the manager going forward, end of. 

Cooper had a full pre season with them and was still awful 

[ClaphamFox]

4 hours ago, Pliskin said:

The point is despite the squad being “woeful” Cooper at least got a tune out of them, and Ruud hasn’t even managed a squeak. Regardless of the squad Ruud has been appalling and can’t be the manager going forward, end of. 

Cooper got a ‘tune’ out of the squad in the same way that my two-year-old gets a tune out of his xylophone by bashing random objects onto it and occasionally jumping on it. 

Edited 19 May 2025 by ClaphamFox

[Pliskin]

1 hour ago, EnglishOxide said:

 

This is revisionist nonsense.

 

The vast majority wanted Cooper gone. 

 

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Ruud has as many points from the 12 teams Cooper played against and he's yet to play Bournemouth.

 

The idea that Cooper got a tune out of those players is ****ing laughable.

What’s laughable, is he’s got the majority of those points post relegation? So what argument are you trying to put forward? 
 

Cooper was crap yes, but for the love of ****ing god, people are actually trying to argue something for Ruud? Are you mad? The whole scenario has been shit this season, but there is simply no argument to suggest Ruud has been as good as cooper, he’s been worse yet…… need you be reminded of the rancid record breaking run we’ve been on? 
 

You’re flogging a dead maggot riddled horse. Cooper was crap, but Ruud has been our worst ever manager.

 

I genuinely can’t believe some people are trying to argue points post relegation is a positive? 

[AKCJ]

Just now, Pliskin said:

 

What’s laughable, is he’s got the majority of those points post relegation? So what argument are you trying to put forward? 
 

Cooper was crap yes, but for the love of ****ing god, people are actually trying to argue something for Ruud? Are you mad? The whole scenario has been shit this season, but there is simply no argument to suggest Ruud has been as good as cooper, he’s been worse yet…… need you be reminded of the rancid record breaking run we’ve been on? 
 

You’re flogging a dead maggot riddled horse. Cooper was crap, but Ruud has been our worst ever manager.

 

I genuinely can’t believe some people are trying to argue points post relegation is a positive? 

I'm not arguing anything "for Ruud". Nobody is arguing that the performances since relegation have been a positive. Nobody is forgetting the run we went on.

 

I'm pointing out that the squad is shit and there isn't an 11 man combination of players that would get us even close to staying up. The fault of that lies with Aiyawatt, Rudkin, Whelan and Cooper.

 

 

[trooky]

1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

Ruud has as many points from the 12 teams Cooper played against and he's yet to play Bournemouth.

 

The idea that Cooper got a tune out of those players is ****ing laughable.

Yes, nobody has got a tune. They've been on mute all season

[AKCJ]

Just now, trooky said:

Yes, nobody has got a tune. They've been on mute all season

Exactly and it's mostly because the squad is ****ing awful. 

[honeybradger]

19 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

 

What’s laughable, is he’s got the majority of those points post relegation? So what argument are you trying to put forward? 
 

Cooper was crap yes, but for the love of ****ing god, people are actually trying to argue something for Ruud? Are you mad? The whole scenario has been shit this season, but there is simply no argument to suggest Ruud has been as good as cooper, he’s been worse yet…… need you be reminded of the rancid record breaking run we’ve been on? 
 

You’re flogging a dead maggot riddled horse. Cooper was crap, but Ruud has been our worst ever manager.

 

I genuinely can’t believe some people are trying to argue points post relegation is a positive? 

Cooper was worse than Ruud so what does that make him?

 

Cooper was lucky that out of the 12 games he played 2 of them were against Ipswich and Southampton which inflated his points total.

 

Against genuine PL quality opposition he was absolutely useless and what made him worse than Van Nistelrooy is that he had two of our better players, Ricardo and Fatawu, sat on the bench.

 

Had Cooper stayed for the rest of the season we would be on a much lower points tally.

[trooky]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

Cooper had a full pre season with them and was still awful 

The squad is woeful, Ruud has tried many attacking combinations but under used Facundo and Mavididi IMO. 

 

Out of 24 games Bilal started all 24, Facundo 5, McAteer 7, Ayew 12, Mavididi 9, Decordova-Reid 7, Vardy 23 and Daka 5

Edited 19 May 2025 by trooky

[Les-TA-Jon]

Cooper was awful

RVN is awful

 

But the RVN appointment proves that unless the replacement is a sure bet to be an improvement, there's no point in replacing the manager for the sake of it. 

 

Do I think we as a club could identify, attract and appoint a manager better than RVN? Yes

Do I have confidence in the current setup being able to do that? Not really. 

 

The worst outcome would be giving RVN the preseason and window and then binning him off 10-15 games into the season if we don't start well. That will just continue this cycle of managers having their hands tied. 

 

So the club needs a clear strategy and to follow that with conviction - whether that's sacking RVN and bringing someone else in or keeping the faith with him. 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Les-TA-Jon

[Foxin_Mad]

6 hours ago, Dmitry said:

Ironic. He pretty much ushered us back into Championship. 

Surely Top and co have done that by appointing Cooper, signing shit players?!?

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

The point is despite the squad being “woeful” Cooper at least got a tune out of them, and Ruud hasn’t even managed a squeak. Regardless of the squad Ruud has been appalling and can’t be the manager going forward, end of. 

I must have missed the bit where Cooper got a tune out of them. We've been fecking shite all year. 

 

2 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

I’ll repeat myself for the 100th time.

 

Do we have a top 10 squad? No

 

Is it however, a squad that should have broken unwanted records? Also, no.

 

We’re the first top flight time in history to have not scored in nine consecutive home games.

 

Defending that is madness surely?

I dont know, with a defence consisting of Wout Faes, Vestagaurd, Kristensen, Justin, Coady, Okoli, collectively NONE of them can defend wel land consistently. If you cant stop goals going in you aint gonna win points, thats been our single biggest issue, if you cant keep it tight, you are gonna struggle. Its the SAME SHIT defence that got us relegated last time, if anything slightly worse, with the rest of the team also being slightly worse whilst the rest of the league has developed due to having I dont know maybe a competent senior management team and DOF with a plan, an identity, not just a PE teacher running his version of Butlins - badly. NOONE cant teach Faes or any of the other shit ***** to defend and not have brain farts at key pressure moments, its just NOT in them. Add that to the fact that we havent replaced or even helped Vardy meaning he been playing up to on his own all year (Bringing in a bloke Edouard who has done the square root of FOOK ALL). The midfield is not creative, or supportive enough for the defence, we've lacked pace. Yes there have been errors on some players but at the end of the day Rudd has beaten everyone's hero Mckenna probably someone half the numpties here would have at the club in a heartbeat. Whichever way you luck at this team, this club it was always going to struggle, that added with the absolute nonsense that is PSR making the gap bigger each year bar a team 'doing at Leicester' and getting some incompetent bellend to run the club. 

 

How anyone can set that lot as a squad in the Premier League and believe they are collectively good enough is beyond me. There is some talent there but mentality wise this group of players is piss weak and that has to be changed. 

 

2 hours ago, splinterdream said:

To sum up my feelings on this argument, I'm more worried about us replacing our squad, mainly our striker, than I am about replacing RVN. What does that tell you? 

The club has had about 5 years to replace Vardy and failed, what does that tell you about those running the show and the level of competence they might have in ANY decision. 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[Foxin_Mad]

28 minutes ago, trooky said:

The squad is woeful, Ruud has tried many attacking combinations but under used Facundo and Mavididi IMO. 

 

Out of 24 games Bilal started all 24, Facundo 5, McAteer 7, Ayew 12, Mavididi 9, Decordova-Reid 7, Vardy 23 and Daka 5

I agree Facundo and Mavididi were under used, that said from the above hes tried to find solutions, it hasnt worked. In a few games I do remember Facundo and Mavididi having shockers too. Mavididi looked to come good toward the end,

then got injured 

26 minutes ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

 

 

The worst outcome would be giving RVN the preseason and window and then binning him off 10-15 games into the season if we don't start well. That will just continue this cycle of managers having their hands tied. 

 

The worst outcome for me is that we dither on this, we piss around until June the 30th to comply with PSR, then sack Rudd, bringing someone in with no enough time to build and assess what he has available, especially if its someone shit like ANY of the names we have so far been linked with (Dyche, Martin, Manning). Then only one I would take now is Rohl, if we want him we need to act sharp. 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Foxin_Mad

[LCFC1996]

Good bloke, arguably the right character re: professionalism/wouldn't take much shit, just a shame about his capabilities as an actual manager for the 90 minutes that really matter

[Jon the Hat]

17 hours ago, Bilo said:

I'm not sure I agree.

 

We have been licking our lips at the likes of Danny Röhl or Will Still coming here, and they're both younger than our Kingy. 

It's a fair point re age, but Rohl and Still started coaching 15 years ago, and Kingy started a couple of years ago.  This is more important I think, although of course Kingy had a more impressive playing career than either of them, his coaching experience is some way behind.

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

Surely Top and co have done that by appointing Cooper, signing shit players?!?

I must have missed the bit where Cooper got a tune out of them. We've been fecking shite all year. 

 

I dont know, with a defence consisting of Wout Faes, Vestagaurd, Kristensen, Justin, Coady, Okoli, collectively NONE of them can defend wel land consistently. If you cant stop goals going in you aint gonna win points, thats been our single biggest issue, if you cant keep it tight, you are gonna struggle. Its the SAME SHIT defence that got us relegated last time, if anything slightly worse, with the rest of the team also being slightly worse whilst the rest of the league has developed due to having I dont know maybe a competent senior management team and DOF with a plan, an identity, not just a PE teacher running his version of Butlins - badly. NOONE cant teach Faes or any of the other shit ***** to defend and not have brain farts at key pressure moments, its just NOT in them. Add that to the fact that we havent replaced or even helped Vardy meaning he been playing up to on his own all year (Bringing in a bloke Edouard who has done the square root of FOOK ALL). The midfield is not creative, or supportive enough for the defence, we've lacked pace. Yes there have been errors on some players but at the end of the day Rudd has beaten everyone's hero Mckenna probably someone half the numpties here would have at the club in a heartbeat. Whichever way you luck at this team, this club it was always going to struggle, that added with the absolute nonsense that is PSR making the gap bigger each year bar a team 'doing at Leicester' and getting some incompetent bellend to run the club.

 

The club has had about 5 years to replace Vardy and failed, what does that tell you about those running the show and the level of competence they might have in ANY decision. 

Our defence this season is not slightly worse than the last time we got relegated - it's considerably worse. We lost Evans and Castagne and didn't replace them. Vestergaard, who wasn't considered good enough for the squad in 2022/23 was a regular starter this season until he fell out with Ruud. We went down that season because we were crap at defending (we scored the same number of goals as Villa, who came 7th) and we've tried to survive this season with a defence that's even worse.  We were never going to survive with the defenders we have at the club.

[trooky]

9 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I agree Facundo and Mavididi were under used, that said from the above hes tried to find solutions, it hasnt worked. In a few games I do remember Facundo and Mavididi having shockers too. Mavididi looked to come good toward the end,

then got injured 

The worst outcome for me is that we dither on this, we piss around until June the 30th to comply with PSR, then sack Rudd, bringing someone in with no enough time to build and assess what he has available, especially if its someone shit like ANY of the names we have so far been linked with (Dyche, Martin, Manning). Then only one I would take now is Rohl, if we want him we need to act sharp. 

Yes I think they've also been under used because the defence and chances against has been abysmal, so they've paid the price because they're the least defensive of the players listed. 

[Foxin_Mad]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

Our defence this season is not slightly worse than the last time we got relegated - it's considerably worse. We lost Evans and Castagne and didn't replace them. Vestergaard, who wasn't considered good enough for the squad in 2022/23 was a regular starter this season until he fell out with Ruud. We went down that season because we were crap at defending (we scored the same number of goals as Villa, who came 7th) and we've tried to survive this season with a defence that's even worse.  We were never going to survive with the defenders we have at the club.

Well to be honest I agree, I was being 'fair' to the illusionists who think this team should be up there in my understatement. We are awful, which begs the question, HOW did anyone expect us to stay up? how can anyone say we should have won more games when we cant even defend to stay in games and the club did absolutely NOTHING in January to correct this despite knowing it? Top comes out in his notes saying he though this squad was good enough?! either he is thick, deluded, blind, stupid or very badly advised! or maybe all of them! 

[Foxin_Mad]

3 minutes ago, trooky said:

Yes I think they've also been under used because the defence and chances against has been abysmal, so they've paid the price because they're the least defensive of the players listed. 

Spot on! Its good to see that others get it, we have been trying to overcompensate for shite defenders by playing shite players that offered more defensively statistically, unfortunately those players also are also shite, hence we are shite and get shite results, we still cant defend and as a result of playing shite players to help the defence also cant score because we took some of the attacking players out. Its pretty basic! There is not much you can do as a manager with that squad imo.

 

Maybe he could have gone all out attack instead, but the problem is we aren't actually that good at attacking either. 

 

I don't really get how people cant see the issues 

 

We aren't very good. In recent weeks we have done well at Brighton, should have possibly gone 1-0 up against Liverpool, beat Southampton easily, drew at Forest (Could have snatched it in the end) and beat Ipswich fairly comfortably. (you know the team with the top class young manager who plays exciting football and SPENT 100 million! that one!)

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 hour ago, Les-TA-Jon said:

Cooper was awful

RVN is awful

 

But the RVN appointment proves that unless the replacement is a sure bet to be an improvement, there's no point in replacing the manager for the sake of it. 

 

Do I think we as a club could identify, attract and appoint a manager better than RVN? Yes

Do I have confidence in the current setup being able to do that? Not really. 

 

The worst outcome would be giving RVN the preseason and window and then binning him off 10-15 games into the season if we don't start well. That will just continue this cycle of managers having their hands tied. 

 

So the club needs a clear strategy and to follow that with conviction - whether that's sacking RVN and bringing someone else in or keeping the faith with him. 

It would literally be impossible to appoint a worse manager than ruud 

[Finnegan]

4 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Cooper at least got a tune out of them

 

 

When the **** was that. 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 minute ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It would literally be impossible to appoint a worse manager than ruud 

I give you Russell Martin, Manning and Dyche or that bloke at Ipswich McKenna who Rudd just beat...

[trooky]

8 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It would literally be impossible to appoint a worse manager than ruud 

Appointing Russell Martyn, the sacked manager from the worst team in the league would be worse

[SafewayFox]

11 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I give you Russell Martin, Manning and Dyche or that bloke at Ipswich McKenna who Rudd just beat...

McKenna is a worse manager than Ruud?

 

Not sure that is a thing.

 

Dyche or Martin wouldn’t be my choice but particularly for Dyche, he hasn’t broken the record for not scoring in nine consecutive home games like Ruud.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I make it that Cooper took 10 points from 12 league games before being sacked. 

 

RVN has taken 10 points from the corresponding 11 games, with Bournemouth to come at the weekend.

 

So if we don't lose on Sunday, Cooper would have had a worse record through the fixtures he had than RVN.

[21st Century Fox]

Cooper getting a tune out of this squad:
 

 

[Finnegan]

24 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I give you Russell Martin, Manning and Dyche or that bloke at Ipswich McKenna who Rudd just beat...

 

I'm CEO of Please Not Dyche™ Ltd and even I couldn't say with a straight face that he's worse than Ruud. 

 

Edited 19 May 2025 by Finnegan