Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[GingerrrFox]

Cooper shouldn’t be brought up ever. The bloke had Ricardo and Fatawu fully fit and actively chose to leave them on the bench for large parts of his tenure. Absolute fool. 

[Gazza3]

I was still trying to work out Ruud's tactics yesterday . Pretty poor if we keep him. I suspect that as he keeps saying he's not spoken to the club it means he's being released.

[MattFox]

If Ipswich could finish we’d have been dead and buried before Vardy scored

[ClaphamFox]

7 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

I was still trying to work out Ruud's tactics yesterday . Pretty poor if we keep him. I suspect that as he keeps saying he's not spoken to the club it means he's being released.

Or they simply haven't made a decision yet, possibly because they still don't know whether any of their targets to replace him are actually obtainable.

[HighPeakFox]

2 hours ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

It would literally be impossible to appoint a worse manager than ruud 

It literally wouldn't be. 

[teblin]

11 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

I was still trying to work out Ruud's tactics yesterday . Pretty poor if we keep him. I suspect that as he keeps saying he's not spoken to the club it means he's being released.

I actually thought it was a bit cooper like, conceded lots of chances, got a bit lucky,  Nothing has really changed, thats why we need to move on.

[The Horse's Mouth]

1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

It literally wouldn't be. 

I’ll concede Rooney I guess 

[It'sblueupnorth]

12 minutes ago, Gazza3 said:

I was still trying to work out Ruud's tactics yesterday . Pretty poor if we keep him. I suspect that as he keeps saying he's not spoken to the club it means he's being released.

It reminded me very much of Rodgers 2nd to last season. Overplay a lot in the wrong areas but win the game because we had more quality on the pitch

[HighPeakFox]

33 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

I’ll concede Rooney I guess 

I'd be worse. You would. We all would. 

[Foxin_Mad]

52 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

So you’re telling me ruud van nistelrooy is a better manager than McKenna who lead a team from league one to back to back promotions with little money because he beat him in a dead rubber game? Martin won promotion, and I don’t see many young attacking players under ruud either and he built a team low end of the championship and took them to Europe.I can’t tell if this is a troll or you’re genuinely this thick 

I dont think McKenna is as good as people are making out. Hes spent 100 million this year and still got beat by us. A manager that spends 100 million on players should be beating a 'crap manager' dead rubber or not. 

 

Rudd has never been in league 1 or the Championship to win it so we don't know, you don't know! chances are he probably would as any old shit like Mckenna, Martin, Farke, Parker can. 

 

So Thomas, McAteer, Monga and Evans aren't young attacking players?!? okkk then

 

Dyche is probably the best of the bunch of names, he did a good job playing Dycheball the Burnleh way, and moaning about other teams having more money. Is his style what we need right now, is he good at bringing through young players, did he do well at Everton, all err no.

 

Always a cracker to bring out the troll and thick trope when you disagree...class well done. 

 

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

Ruud at PSV and here, has shown that he doesn’t know how to tactically set up a team to be more defensively sound.

 

I genuinely can’t believe some of the stuff that I’m reading about Ruud on here, it’s like Ruud himself is on here defending his awful tactics and in game management 🤯

Much like people thinking Martin would be a better option, or Manning who got spanked 6-0 by Sheffield ****ing United 

[Foxin_Mad]

42 minutes ago, MattFox said:

If Ipswich could finish we’d have been dead and buried before Vardy scored

Except they didn't and couldn't despite spunking 100 million, what a job McKenna has done, starboi! 

[Realist Guy In The Room]

2 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I dont think McKenna is as good as people are making out. Hes spent 100 million this year and still got beat by us. A manager that spends 100 million on players should be beating a 'crap manager' dead rubber or not. 

 

Rudd has never been in league 1 or the Championship to win it so we don't know, you don't know! chances are he probably would as any old shit like Mckenna, Martin, Farke, Parker can. 

 

So Thomas, McAteer, Monga and Evans aren't young attacking players?!? okkk then

 

Dyche is probably the best of the bunch of names, he did a good job playing Dycheball the Burnleh way, and moaning about other teams having more money. Is his style what we need right now, is he good at bringing through young players, did he do well at Everton, all err no.

 

Always a cracker to bring out the troll and thick trope when you disagree...class well done. 

 

Much like people thinking Martin would be a better option, or Manning who got spanked 6-0 by Sheffield ****ing United 

Not sure I agree with a lot of this,  but one thing is for sure in my mind, McKenna is hugely overrated.

 

We have been total shite all season, not just under RVN and we’re above them.  A lot of people saying things like, ‘Yeah but if Ipswich could finish they’d have won’ is a weak argument.

 

If Daka could finish we’d have more points etc etc.  

 

We’ve been garbage all season, spent nothing and remained garbage.

 

He spent a lot and made Ipswich worse.  That’s not a good coach.

[AjcW]

4 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Not sure I agree with a lot of this,  but one thing is for sure in my mind, McKenna is hugely overrated.

 

We have been total shite all season, not just under RVN and we’re above them.  A lot of people saying things like, ‘Yeah but if Ipswich could finish they’d have won’ is a weak argument.

 

If Daka could finish we’d have more points etc etc.  

 

We’ve been garbage all season, spent nothing and remained garbage.

 

He spent a lot and made Ipswich worse.  That’s not a good coach.

Nigel Pearson spent 3 years fixing Mark Ashtons trasnfer mess at Bristol City.... I imagine someone will have to do something similar with Ipswich once McKenna leaves. 

 

Only saving grace might be that he's accidentally built a very good Championship side. 

 

Ashton is 'sign everyone and hope for the best' always has been. Ipswich might end up worse off because he's mates with the owner and might be harder to shift!

Edited 19 May 2025 by AjcW

[AjcW]

To add, Ipswich main issue has been spending £100m and somehow ending up with two of the worst goalkeepers the Premier League has ever seen.

[Bourbon Fox]

59 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

It literally wouldn't be. 

 

[Foxin_Mad]

1 hour ago, AjcW said:

To add, Ipswich main issue has been spending £100m and somehow ending up with two of the worst goalkeepers the Premier League has ever seen.

Danny Ward is feeling neglected!

[South Shire Fox]

2 hours ago, Chelmofox said:

Without Enciso, Hutchinson, Davis and Delap Ipswich are pretty bare. 

 

They don't have the depth that our academy can bring to the table. 

Philogene, Greaves, Smodicz.. its a Championship dream team. They are far more prepared then we are for bouncing back. They are genuinely quality Championship players that have been there and done it already. Our academy have about 30 games of senior football between them

Edited 19 May 2025 by South Shire Fox

[Number 6]

1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

I dont think McKenna is as good as people are making out. Hes spent 100 million this year and still got beat by us. A manager that spends 100 million on players should be beating a 'crap manager' dead rubber or not. 

I think this is a bit misleading. They clearly overachieved last year, so we're starting from a lower base than we were this season - hence a somewhat necessary investment. And we spent £50m+ ourselves.

 

The star from their investment was dropped, probably partly as McKenna now has an eye on next season. They're significantly weaker without Delap though.

 

I think it will probably end up being a good thing for McKenna that he didn't jump at a big job last summer, as he seems to fit Ipswich well, but if I was to select one of the two to lead us next season then it wouldn't be Ruud.

[HankMarvin]

2 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Cooper shouldn’t be brought up ever. The bloke had Ricardo and Fatawu fully fit and actively chose to leave them on the bench for large parts of his tenure. Absolute fool. 

Started Fatawu in over half the games he was available for 

dropped him on the back on 2 defeats then proceeded to get 2 wins, 2 draws and a defeat in the next 5 without him starting.

8 points from 15.

 

Ricardo, he publicly came out and said Justin had greater physical attributes.

Low and behold when he did play him within 2 games (148 mins) he was injured. 

Since then he has had one start under RVN and another injury soon after.

Given that he has barely featured this season, due to fitness I’m not sure you can blame that on the previous manager.

 

 

Edited 19 May 2025 by HankMarvin

[Guy]

2 hours ago, GingerrrFox said:

Cooper shouldn’t be brought up ever. The bloke had Ricardo and Fatawu fully fit and actively chose to leave them on the bench for large parts of his tenure. Absolute fool. 

Not defending Cooper at all but the irony was he started them both against Forest at home in late October and they were both poor in that, as was the whole team in that game! That said we got a lot worse under Ruud in most games in the months to follow!

[Product of 84]

As Rooney was mentioned earlier as a possible worse manager than RVN I thought I'd add my 10p worth.

 

At Birmingham Rooney has said he was asked to play a particular way. Which he did. He soon went to the board and said, the players are not good enough to play this way. The board told him to keep playing that way and that he'd get new recruits in the transfer window. Just before the transfer window he was sacked. 

 

At Plymouth, you are asking managers to manage players who aren't good enough for the championship. We've played them recently and they offered little other than massive resistance. 

 

My point is we are expecting miracles from managers. Most mentioned in this thread will be more than competent. And now, quite often, the way teams play isn't the managers choice. 

 

I think we transitioned to far style wise from Rodgers to Enzo. The journey back in order to survive in the Prem was too great and we've paid the price this season. We've now got a squad that wants to play in different ways and isn't worried about causing trouble if they don't get there way. 

 

We weren't surviving under Enzo either. We'd have been a better Southampton and he'd have dropped us like a stone. Kompany was Enzo's career model. He is where he always wanted to be. At one of the most affluent clubs in Europe. 

 

As a club it would have been better to appoint a Cooper type manager for the Championship season. They'd then of had a true chance of keeping us up. 

 

Whether it's RVN or someone new I couldn't really care less. As long as there is a plan to survive should we get promoted. This starts with a clear identity and recruitment to fit. We then have to go about this coming season playing that way. It's a massive moment for the club. Get it right and we will have another hero of a manager. 

[whoareyaaa]

1 hour ago, Product of 84 said:

As Rooney was mentioned earlier as a possible worse manager than RVN I thought I'd add my 10p worth.

 

At Birmingham Rooney has said he was asked to play a particular way. Which he did. He soon went to the board and said, the players are not good enough to play this way. The board told him to keep playing that way and that he'd get new recruits in the transfer window. Just before the transfer window he was sacked. 

 

At Plymouth, you are asking managers to manage players who aren't good enough for the championship. We've played them recently and they offered little other than massive resistance. 

 

My point is we are expecting miracles from managers. Most mentioned in this thread will be more than competent. And now, quite often, the way teams play isn't the managers choice. 

 

I think we transitioned to far style wise from Rodgers to Enzo. The journey back in order to survive in the Prem was too great and we've paid the price this season. We've now got a squad that wants to play in different ways and isn't worried about causing trouble if they don't get there way. 

 

We weren't surviving under Enzo either. We'd have been a better Southampton and he'd have dropped us like a stone. Kompany was Enzo's career model. He is where he always wanted to be. At one of the most affluent clubs in Europe. 

 

As a club it would have been better to appoint a Cooper type manager for the Championship season. They'd then of had a true chance of keeping us up. 

 

Whether it's RVN or someone new I couldn't really care less. As long as there is a plan to survive should we get promoted. This starts with a clear identity and recruitment to fit. We then have to go about this coming season playing that way. It's a massive moment for the club. Get it right and we will have another hero of a manager. 

You don't know what players we would have signed under Enzo so hard to say we would have got relegated the team would have been playing as a team unlike this year as well, I think its easy to say we would have got relegated but I don't think that would have been the case.

 

Soon as we employed Cooper we had put the nail in the coffin before we even started, complete change of style and brought a load of rubbish.. I think with Enzo we get Okoli, Bilal and Facundo and he would of made proper use of them and that would have improved the team with just those players never mind anyone else we would have got.

 

I think we all know it was Rudkins idea to bring Cooper in and it failed badly he should resign.

 

That's why its hard to give Ruud any stick as he has had to re undo the mess Cooper made us and the board halfway through a season where players had already downed tools, Enzo had a full pre season and without that I can't judge Ruud.

Edited 19 May 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Bluearmyfox28]

1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

You don't know what players we would have signed under Enzo so hard to say we would have got relegated the team would have been playing as a team unlike this year as well, I think its easy to say we would have got relegated but I don't think that would have been the case.

 

Soon as we employed Cooper we had put the nail in the coffin before we even started, complete change of style and brought a load of rubbish.. I think with Enzo we get Okoli, Bilal and Facundo and he would of made proper use of them and that would have improved the team with just those players never mind anyone else we would have got.

 

I think we all know it was Rudkins idea to bring Cooper in and it failed badly he should resign.

 

That's why its hard to give Ruud any stick as he has had to re undo the mess Cooper made us and the board halfway through a season where players had already downed tools, Enzo had a full pre season and without that I can't judge Ruud.

I had a similar conversation with someone at the game yesterday, for me I think Ruud gets excused at times as a result of the poor transfer window.
 

With the time Ruud has had he should have been able to implement a style/identity. On the ball the lack of recruitment can effect how Ruud wants to play, however, off the ball this is where a manager can lay the ground works prior to getting the players he feels he needs. 
 

Off the ball we’ve been atrocious. The press has been poor, the structure in midfield has been poor and the shape of the backline until recently was very poor. All these factors for me are something a manager can implement in the time frame Ruud has had. 

[whoareyaaa]

8 minutes ago, Bluearmyfox28 said:

I had a similar conversation with someone at the game yesterday, for me I think Ruud gets excused at times as a result of the poor transfer window.
 

With the time Ruud has had he should have been able to implement a style/identity. On the ball the lack of recruitment can effect how Ruud wants to play, however, off the ball this is where a manager can lay the ground works prior to getting the players he feels he needs. 
 

Off the ball we’ve been atrocious. The press has been poor, the structure in midfield has been poor and the shape of the backline until recently was very poor. All these factors for me are something a manager can implement in the time frame Ruud has had. 

Pretty sure he has said the players are not fit enough, due to the abomination of Cooper, he also has not had a pre season to implement his style on players that are behind him and willing to fight for the club.

 

He has replaced Thomas with Kristensen and this seems to be working well, he introduced McAteer who may not be great but works his socks off and has made an impact, the midfeild options are very similar and limited going forward I think injuries to players haven't helped either.

 

Plus King and BMB have only been here for 2 months he's been on his own with no back room team to help and that is key for any manager imo.

 

He has also started to bring the youth through which everyone was crying out for.

 

He clearly has high standards which is surely a good thing, I don't think he is no mug played for two of the biggest teams in the world.

Edited 19 May 2025 by whoareyaaa

[Dan]

It's extremely on brand for us to win a few completely meaningless games against dross at the end. Exact same thing happened before the 2022/23 catastrophe season where Rodgers managed to fool people we were on the right track.

 

I can actually see him staying.