Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Eskay]

At the very least, he needs to be able to get a reaction from the players on Sunday. If its a same turgid sh!t then I would argue that the players aren't buying into the 'aura' now either.

 

90 minutes of fight regardless of the result.

[adejo92]

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

Or ignore how much of a joke that people I know personally keep saying about the Chelsea game.

 

It works both ways. 
 

Cooper was a horrendous appointment, Ruud most likely is too but I’m not having people rewrite history about Cooper, it’s baffling and completely ignores some obvious differences between their time here.

I 100% agree that cooper was a horrendous appointment. It set the precedent for the season. 

 

My opinion was just that Cooper would have got us more points by grinding out draws etc, Dyche esque.

 

It wouldn't have been pretty, and there's no doubt that aesthetically, the football has improved under RVN.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not Pro Cooper, and I agree we should never have chose him, but I stick by my opinion that I think he'd grind out more points, if only from the teams around us.

 

Whichever way you look at it, and take away comparisons with any previous managers, losing 3-0 to Wolves at home, and then Palace at home, is criminal for any manager fighting to compete in a relegation battle.

[Graceroad]

20 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I 100% agree that cooper was a horrendous appointment. It set the precedent for the season. 

 

My opinion was just that Cooper would have got us more points by grinding out draws etc, Dyche esque.

 

It wouldn't have been pretty, and there's no doubt that aesthetically, the football has improved under RVN.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not Pro Cooper, and I agree we should never have chose him, but I stick by my opinion that I think he'd grind out more points, if only from the teams around us.

 

Whichever way you look at it, and take away comparisons with any previous managers, losing 3-0 to Wolves at home, and then Palace at home, is criminal for any manager fighting to compete in a relegation battle.

Agreed you only have to look at the Forest side under him poor football unconvincing  but he was one of the few mangers who kept up a promoted  side and they weren't in the bottom 3 when he got sacked last season

[HybridFox]

16 hours ago, Sly said:

Jaap Stam offering to support RVN and sort the defence out! 
 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ruud-van-nistelrooy-gets-green-30833743#google_vignette

 

Ruud van Nistelrooy gets green light for surprise Man United reunion after Leicester nightmare

 

The latest Manchester United news as the Leicester City boss has been offered help from one of his former Man United and international teammates.

 

Former Manchester United defender Jaap Stam has said that he would be open to joining Ruud van Nistelrooy’s coaching staff at Leicester City to try and help save the club from relegation. 

Van Nistelrooy replaced Steve Cooper as manager at the King Power Stadium at the start of December, just a couple of weeks after a successful four-game interim period in charge of United. After an initial upturn in form with the Foxes picking up four points from their first two games under the guidance of the former striker, things have been harder going in recent weeks.

 

Despite some performances probably deserving more, Leicester have lost each of their last seven league games. The only reprieve came with a 6-2 win against Championship QPR in the FA Cupthird round earlier this month. 

The results leave Leicester in 19th position in the Premier League table, two points adrift of safety. They are next in action when they take on Tottenham Hotspur away on Sunday afternoon. 

One of the problems Van Nistelrooy has faced is with his defence. Leicester have kept just one Premier League clean sheet so far this season, and individual mistakes keeps seeing them concede goals. 
 

Former defender Stam has now offered his help. Asked on Viaplay if he would be willing to take an assistant manager role at Leicester, Stam replied with: “Yes.”

 

After apparent surprise from the presenter, he added: “Didn’t you expect that?” Before joking: “Maybe when I go into training for two weeks I can still play a ball.”

 

He then added more seriously: “If Ruud were to call, I would certainly do so.”

The 52-year-old is currently manager of Dutch side DOS Kampen, having been appointed in the summer. He has previously had spells in charge of Reading, Feyenoord and Cincinnati. 

Stam and Van Nistelrooy’s time at United as players only overlapped by a few weeks. Van Nistelrooy arrived at the club in early July 2001, with Stam leaving in late August of the same year.

 

The two would have however played on the international stage together with the Netherlands. Both players started every game of Euro 2004, helping the Netherlands to the semi-final of the tournament in what was Stam’s final appearances for his nation.
 

 

Should take this. We need the help we can get and wasn't a bad manager at Reading was he, nearly getting them up?

[Royston.]

12 hours ago, KFS said:

Seriously though where are his staff??

He has a backroom coaching staff of 7.

 

Rudkin is sorting the paperwork...

[Lambert09]

I would say hes had a lot of bad luck, where as cooper received a lot of luck. We are exactly where we deserve to be in the table. The problem in a game like football is even if you are doing the right things, have the best game plan or individuals... the results matter. Lose when you shouldnt  in one game and the team can shake it off, but as it continues players heads drop. We deserved points against Man City, Villa and Palace... had we picked them up then I think you have a different game against fulham. The fulham game felt like one where the players dont believe they can get a result and they werent helped by the terrible substitutions. Ordinarily this is the part of a cycle where a manager would lose his job but we are not in any place to do that and it feels like a lot of the pain for RVN is down to the mismanagement before he arrived. 

 

Hes not been great but we all can admit he jumped into a dumpster fire. 

[Samilktray]

I reckon we announce his backroom staff, after we've announced hes left

[Fox85]

8 hours ago, squidsworth said:

Are they all key players? Riccy ain't been involved for ages, when he did play this season he was not great. Fats is not proven at this level, again only shown flashes when he was playing. Ndidi I'm pretty sure he wasn't getting glowing reports when he was playing. Herm is obviously a big miss. But the others, may not be any better than we have. Just more options. My point, we may have not been that much better off, it's not like we're missing 4 cole palmers. Though I do think if herm was available, we may have scraped a result here and there.

I'm just going to assume you don't understand football if you seem to think that that we have better players playing right now in those positions than all of those.

 

Those players are levels above the league 1 players we have currently.

[The Doctor]

3 hours ago, Graceroad said:

Agreed you only have to look at the Forest side under him poor football unconvincing  but he was one of the few mangers who kept up a promoted  side and they weren't in the bottom 3 when he got sacked last season

They sacked him before they hit the bottom 3 because they could see the route they were taking and took preemptive action to prevent it. Like we should have done with Rodgers. 

[honeybradger]

4 hours ago, adejo92 said:

I 100% agree that cooper was a horrendous appointment. It set the precedent for the season. 

 

My opinion was just that Cooper would have got us more points by grinding out draws etc, Dyche esque.

 

It wouldn't have been pretty, and there's no doubt that aesthetically, the football has improved under RVN.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not Pro Cooper, and I agree we should never have chose him, but I stick by my opinion that I think he'd grind out more points, if only from the teams around us.

 

Whichever way you look at it, and take away comparisons with any previous managers, losing 3-0 to Wolves at home, and then Palace at home, is criminal for any manager fighting to compete in a relegation battle.

The only reason Cooper had any points was because we had Hermansen in goal. We dont grind out anything without Cooper having one of the best shotstoppers in the league in net.

[StanSP]

6 hours ago, lcfc278 said:

Did I miss this? What happened here?

Not sure about 'tore into'. He was definitely annoyed that he had to sack him so early and 'intervene' to do so. 

[RizLCFC]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Not sure about 'tore into'. He was definitely annoyed that he had to sack him so early and 'intervene' to do so. 

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1981629/leicester-city-aiyawatt-srivaddhanaprabha-steve-cooper/amp

[HankMarvin]

5 hours ago, HybridFox said:

Should take this. We need the help we can get and wasn't a bad manager at Reading was he, nearly getting them up?

Depends if you just stop there,

or include the following season where he was sacked after 1 win in 18

[The Doctor]

5 hours ago, HybridFox said:

Should take this. We need the help we can get and wasn't a bad manager at Reading was he, nearly getting them up?

40% win record, did get them to the playoffs vs Huddersfield. most recent record though is a 17% win rate in the MLS

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, honeybradger said:

The only reason Cooper had any points was because we had Hermansen in goal. We dont grind out anything without Cooper having one of the best shotstoppers in the league in net.

Bournemouth had 2 shots on target.

Even if Mads was in goal in the last 7 we wouldn’t have won at least 5 of them because we have scored 0.

 

[honeybradger]

22 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

Bournemouth had 2 shots on target.

Even if Mads was in goal in the last 7 we wouldn’t have won at least 5 of them because we have scored 0.

 

One game where instead of loads of shots on target the opponent skied their chances instead.

 

Anyone with sense looks at the number of chances we were conceding under Cooper and the lack of shots we were creating and sees that we were lucky to get the few points we had under Cooper.

[Paninistickers]

The players didn't fancy Cooper that was clear. His team selections were woeful. Tactics non existent. Subs less than non existent. 

 

Yet, despite all that, we turned in decent performances in patches most weeks. 

 

Spurs second half. Fulham we were a bit meek but far from woeful..Palace we were easily the better side til they scored that offside goal. Ipswich for the first and last 15 minutes was our best football. Southampton caved in under our pressure. Everton about par. Bournemouth we got away with murder. Villa we were decent but over respectful. Forest first half we were very decent. 

 

Only against Man U were we as terrible as we have been in almost every game under the Dutchman. 

[HankMarvin]

37 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

One game where instead of loads of shots on target the opponent skied their chances instead.

 

Anyone with sense looks at the number of chances we were conceding under Cooper and the lack of shots we were creating and sees that we were lucky to get the few points we had under Cooper.

How many games do you want me to give we only won 2 

 

Anyone with any “sense” looks at our expected points for that period and sees it was nearly as expected +0.86 as opposed to being “lucky” to get the few points despite the shots against being taken into consideration.

 

As for the lack of shots, we had scored the 14th highest as opposed now the joint 19th lowest 

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, HankMarvin said:

How many games do you want me to give we only won 2 

 

Anyone with any “sense” looks at our expected points for that period and sees it was nearly as expected +0.86 as opposed to being “lucky” to get the few points despite the shots against being taken into consideration.

 

As for the lack of shots, we had scored the 14th highest as opposed now the joint 19th lowest 

ok, so you mention the expected stats, want to mention where that expected points would have had us (20th) or where our xG and xGA were (19th). Under RvN it's 16th for xG and xGA, 17th for expected points. Under RvN the performances have improved in those metrics, but RvN doesn't have the luck Cooper had, doesn't have the squad to pick from that Cooper had (yes, all teams have injuries, however in Fatawu, Ricardo and Hermansen we're missing 3 key players). Under Cooper we were quite lucky, under RvN we've not had the luck, but good performances without luck offer more to build on than playing shit but the manager has been shoving rabbits feet up his arse.

[Iwebema]

26 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

The players didn't fancy Cooper that was clear. His team selections were woeful. Tactics non existent. Subs less than non existent. 

 

Yet, despite all that, we turned in decent performances in patches most weeks. 

 

Spurs second half. Fulham we were a bit meek but far from woeful..Palace we were easily the better side til they scored that offside goal. Ipswich for the first and last 15 minutes was our best football. Southampton caved in under our pressure. Everton about par. Bournemouth we got away with murder. Villa we were decent but over respectful. Forest first half we were very decent. 

 

Only against Man U were we as terrible as we have been in almost every game under the Dutchman. 

You wonder how much of those performances were because we were still on the promotion bounce, and the players were still trying for him.

The rot had started by the time he left though as he'd lost the dressing room. I'm not sure we would of got a saints/palace performance again from him, he'd lost them.

[Paninistickers]

15 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

You wonder how much of those performances were because we were still on the promotion bounce, and the players were still trying for him.

The rot had started by the time he left though as he'd lost the dressing room. I'm not sure we would of got a saints/palace performance again from him, he'd lost them.

I agree. In fact, I think some if the points we won were in spite of Cooper. 

 

Ipswich and Southampton for example, and to a lesser extent Everton second half, I'm convinced the players took over. Gloves off, sleeves rolled up and clawed our way back in to the games. 

 

As you suggest, the current trajectory started at Man U away under Cooper and the Dutchman has been unable to arrest that decline. And to an extent, he's made it worse..

 

Whatever Cooper's problems were, it's actually impossible for him to have done worse than these last seven games and indeed, you'd probably have expected the players to have  maybe scrambled a point or two. 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

ok, so you mention the expected stats, want to mention where that expected points would have had us (20th) or where our xG and xGA were (19th). Under RvN it's 16th for xG and xGA, 17th for expected points. Under RvN the performances have improved in those metrics, but RvN doesn't have the luck Cooper had, doesn't have the squad to pick from that Cooper had (yes, all teams have injuries, however in Fatawu, Ricardo and Hermansen we're missing 3 key players). Under Cooper we were quite lucky, under RvN we've not had the luck, but good performances without luck offer more to build on than playing shit but the manager has been shoving rabbits feet up his arse.

Yep RVN hasn’t had any luck, remind me again about those first 4 points 

30 plus shots against West Ham conceded, Brighton two goals scored in the final 5 mins 

 

I mention expected pts because they take into account aggregate xg values 

The goals against have not improved, we conceded 23 in 12 under cooper 1.91 per game 

In the 9 games under ruud it’s 2.3 per game 

 

goals scored is marginally better, 1.28 per game for Ruud 

goals scored cooper 1.25

 

The performances haven’t improved those metrics, there are just teams with worse records

 

Ruud points per game 0.44

Cooper 0.83 

Edited 22 January by HankMarvin

[Mickyblueeyes]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32959905/leicester-city-transfer-news-ruud-van-nistelrooy-signings/amp/

 

Ruud’s not happy apparently. 

[StanSP]

34 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32959905/leicester-city-transfer-news-ruud-van-nistelrooy-signings/amp/

 

Ruud’s not happy apparently. 

That article doesn't really say much? 

 

It's just very factual about comments made after the last game but then the writer adds in he's not happy. 

 

Well, yeah. He might not be. But Ruud is never gonna publicly say this. 

 

Also randomly writes that we may have to sell before RVN 'can buy a midfielder'. Bit random to specify the position. 

[Paninistickers]

37 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32959905/leicester-city-transfer-news-ruud-van-nistelrooy-signings/amp/

 

Ruud’s not happy apparently. 

Good. Hopefully he walks