Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[filbertway]

29 minutes ago, kenny said:

Its bothered me that he likes a settled 11 when the settled 11 loses every week.

 

At this stage, he should be experimenting with the squad to see what works best.

If you could see shoots of improvement then I'd understand the persistence, but aside from creating a few chances against woefully out of form Man City and Spurs teams, the games have all followed a fairly consistent pattern.

[inckley fox]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

If you could see shoots of improvement then I'd understand the persistence, but aside from creating a few chances against woefully out of form Man City and Spurs teams, the games have all followed a fairly consistent pattern.

I don't blame Ruud for where we are, and I didn't really blame Cooper either. The financial mess discouraged many of our top summer targets or priced them out of our range, and what we ended up getting wasn't anywhere near enough, unsurprisingly. I felt he had to go but mainly because fans and players alike had made his position untenable.

 

My biggest gripe with Ruud is the absence of new ideas - in terms of personnel or shape or style - which you and others have indicated.

[filbertway]

16 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I don't blame Ruud for where we are, and I didn't really blame Cooper either. The financial mess discouraged many of our top summer targets or priced them out of our range, and what we ended up getting wasn't anywhere near enough, unsurprisingly. I felt he had to go but mainly because fans and players alike had made his position untenable.

 

My biggest gripe with Ruud is the absence of new ideas - in terms of personnel or shape or style - which you and others have indicated.

 

Under Cooper it felt like we were a step 7 side facing a Premier League side. He blamed refs for everything, we only seemed to show any intent to take part in games for 5-10 minute periods when we were already losing. He wanted to sign players with Premier League experience, despite us already having it in abundance. His mindset was tiny and it showed in his dealings, blaming and way he approached games. Ipswich and Southampton we were so lucky as they were both well in control and then picked up stupid red cards.

 

One thing I like about Ruud is that he has something resembling an elite mentality, he seems to be big on players having the correct attitude, which is something Pearson believed in.

 

It's only really the fact that he's seemingly unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working, I find a lack of flexibility in managers a real damaging weakness. However, if given his own transfer window and chance to re-model the squad, his other qualities feel like they'd be beneficial. I feel like he'd probably be able to put together a team that the fans can fall in love with again.

 

tl'dr; If he could just start showing some flexibility I feel like he has other qualities that could be beneficial to the club in the long term

 

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

xGA of nearly 2 for a whole season is incredibly poor

 

I feel like those stats look better with Mads, Ndidi and Fatawu.

 

However his usage of what he has available clearly isn't working, so it's one of three things

 

1) He doesn't realise it.

2) He truly believes the current set up it optimal

3)He's not got the ability to change it up

 

2 and 3 are arguably very similar.

that's per game, not the full fixture list so far.

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

that's per game, not the full fixture list so far.

Yes, yes it is.

 

xGA of 2 for the whole season up to now would be pretty astonishingly good, I don't think even Burnley are close to that

 

 

[ClaphamFox]

 

If he's happy to dig the club out and claim he isn't disappointed by the transfer window, that suggests he intends to stick it out and wants to manage us next season...

 

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

 

If he's happy to dig the club out and claim he isn't disappointed by the transfer window, that suggests he intends to stick it out and wants to manage us next season...

 

I had the same thought. 

 

His approach with bringing Monga and Evans into tomorrows squad. Talking about his culture (and Dutch culture to develop young talent). Comes across as RVN planning for the future. 

[Graceroad]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

 

Under Cooper it felt like we were a step 7 side facing a Premier League side. He blamed refs for everything, we only seemed to show any intent to take part in games for 5-10 minute periods when we were already losing. He wanted to sign players with Premier League experience, despite us already having it in abundance. His mindset was tiny and it showed in his dealings, blaming and way he approached games. Ipswich and Southampton we were so lucky as they were both well in control and then picked up stupid red cards.

 

One thing I like about Ruud is that he has something resembling an elite mentality, he seems to be big on players having the correct attitude, which is something Pearson believed in.

 

It's only really the fact that he's seemingly unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working, I find a lack of flexibility in managers a real damaging weakness. However, if given his own transfer window and chance to re-model the squad, his other qualities feel like they'd be beneficial. I feel like he'd probably be able to put together a team that the fans can fall in love with again.

 

tl'dr; If he could just start showing some flexibility I feel like he has other qualities that could be beneficial to the club in the long term

 

Don't know how you come to the conclusion  Southampton were well in control before the sending off  the score  was 2 all when the red card came we battened them in the 2nd half

[ClaphamFox]

18 hours ago, Ian S said:

So we don’t win another game this season and you think he is still here in August, not a chance in hell.

Sorry for late response - I somehow missed this yesterday.

The scenario you cite (no more wins this season) is an extreme one. I don't think it will pan out like that. I think we will go down but will pick up the odd win and draw along the way and end up with 26-28 points. The club will take the view that the resignation of Maresca followed by the mistake of appointing Cooper basically screwed our season, and that RvN was not the cause of that. He will be given the opportunity to shape the squad in the summer and lead us into next season. How long he survives after that will depend on where we are in the Championship table after a dozen or so games.

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

 

Under Cooper it felt like we were a step 7 side facing a Premier League side. He blamed refs for everything, we only seemed to show any intent to take part in games for 5-10 minute periods when we were already losing. He wanted to sign players with Premier League experience, despite us already having it in abundance. His mindset was tiny and it showed in his dealings, blaming and way he approached games. Ipswich and Southampton we were so lucky as they were both well in control and then picked up stupid red cards.

 

One thing I like about Ruud is that he has something resembling an elite mentality, he seems to be big on players having the correct attitude, which is something Pearson believed in.

 

It's only really the fact that he's seemingly unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working, I find a lack of flexibility in managers a real damaging weakness. However, if given his own transfer window and chance to re-model the squad, his other qualities feel like they'd be beneficial. I feel like he'd probably be able to put together a team that the fans can fall in love with again.

 

tl'dr; If he could just start showing some flexibility I feel like he has other qualities that could be beneficial to the club in the long term

 

Under Van Nistelrooy it's felt like step 10 then. We offer nothing in games and against teams around us. Only wins were also "lucky" because West Ham should have scored more than 1 and Spurs practically had their B team out.

 

There's a whole lot more than just Van Nistelrooy being "unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working". He picks the same formation and team every week then either leaves subs to late or makes the wrong ones. 

 

Pearson also believed in having experience within the squad. Although I don't want to bring up Pearson's name in the same sentence as these two managers.

[Lako42]

46 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

 

If he's happy to dig the club out and claim he isn't disappointed by the transfer window, that suggests he intends to stick it out and wants to manage us next season...

 

Never mind 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

So a few months ago he's asked if there's money to spend and says "yes". Now he apparently knew that there wasn't.

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So a few months ago he's asked if there's money to spend and says "yes". Now he apparently knew that there wasn't.

''Yes'' could mean £1m or £100m, so if we were priced out of deals it doesn't mean there wasn't any money, just outside our budget.

 

I'm with you that this could be a bit of club PR that any fan with one eye open won't believe, and he's probably agreed to it.

 

Either way we'll never know. 

[Lambert09]

5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So a few months ago he's asked if there's money to spend and says "yes". Now he apparently knew that there wasn't.

Maybe he wasn’t lied to, maybe he purposely deceived fans and was told to say that to appease us. 
 

Sack Rudkin. Sack the board. King power out. fold the club. 

Edited 6 February by Lambert09

[ClaphamFox]

Just now, Lambert09 said:

Maybe he wasn’t lied to, maybe he purposely deceived fans and was told to say that to appease us. 
 

Sack Rudkin. Sack the board. King power out. fold the club. Let alvechurch have the stadium 

In the press conference he basically said that there was a budget but that other clubs whacked their prices up, which made it impossible to bring any of our targets in. 

[filbertway]

51 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Under Van Nistelrooy it's felt like step 10 then. We offer nothing in games and against teams around us. Only wins were also "lucky" because West Ham should have scored more than 1 and Spurs practically had their B team out.

 

There's a whole lot more than just Van Nistelrooy being "unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working". He picks the same formation and team every week then either leaves subs to late or makes the wrong ones. 

 

Pearson also believed in having experience within the squad. Although I don't want to bring up Pearson's name in the same sentence as these two managers.

What?

 

You've literally just described "unwilling to change from a system that clearly isn't working"

 

Yep Pearson brought in experienced heads usually on a maximum of a year. he added smatterings of experience to a fairly youthful squad. He had the balance absolutely spot on. Pearson also went on terrible runs, but his overall benefit to the club allowed him leeway in results as progress was made off the pitch.

 

I'm not saying Ruud is or isn't that because he's simply not been here long enough to have the opportunity of a summer at the helm.

 

Cooper was awful pre season, carried on being awful and honestly came across as a man with weak small-time mentality. Getting rid of him was one of few things Rudkin has got right.

 

Edited to say - whilst experiencing step 10 with Coalville this season, I genuinely think even this Leicester team would score in excess of 40 goals against any team at this level

 

 

Edited 6 February by filbertway

[Gazza M]

No point bringing in players who won't improve the team. Could have considered that last summer. Maybe Cooper was all about quantity. 

[Leicesterpool]

Ruud looked and sounded so beaten in his latest press conference. When talking about the different transfers figures to be made available prior to taking the job compared to when we reached January. I dont think he sounded pretty hopeful with this squad of players. I thought hed stick out to the summer, but im not sure he will now.

Edited 6 February by Leicesterpool

[Bordersfox]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Sorry for late response - I somehow missed this yesterday.

The scenario you cite (no more wins this season) is an extreme one. I don't think it will pan out like that. I think we will go down but will pick up the odd win and draw along the way and end up with 26-28 points. The club will take the view that the resignation of Maresca followed by the mistake of appointing Cooper basically screwed our season, and that RvN was not the cause of that. He will be given the opportunity to shape the squad in the summer and lead us into next season. How long he survives after that will depend on where we are in the Championship table after a dozen or so games.

'Sorry for late response'

 

The last true professional on FT.  

[Lambert09]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

In the press conference he basically said that there was a budget but that other clubs whacked their prices up, which made it impossible to bring any of our targets in. 

Hmm surely that’s what happens every January, 

 

I’m just struggling to work out the rush to sell Tom cannon. If we start next season with a transfer embargo we are seriously in trouble 

[ClaphamFox]

3 minutes ago, Lambert09 said:

Hmm surely that’s what happens every January, 

 

I’m just struggling to work out the rush to sell Tom cannon. If we start next season with a transfer embargo we are seriously in trouble 

We're not starting next season with a transfer embargo.

 

I assume Cannon was sold because it increased the pot of money we'd have had if a target became available and we needed to move quickly. I also don't think anybody at the club rates Cannon and so they were probably perfectly happy to see him go.

[Ian S]

1 hour ago, ClaphamFox said:

Sorry for late response - I somehow missed this yesterday.

The scenario you cite (no more wins this season) is an extreme one. I don't think it will pan out like that. I think we will go down but will pick up the odd win and draw along the way and end up with 26-28 points. The club will take the view that the resignation of Maresca followed by the mistake of appointing Cooper basically screwed our season, and that RvN was not the cause of that. He will be given the opportunity to shape the squad in the summer and lead us into next season. How long he survives after that will depend on where we are in the Championship table after a dozen or so games.

Obviously time will tell but one way or another I cannot see him being here next season ( unless there is a miracle and we stay up which isn’t happening).I said when he got the job he wouldn’t be our last manager this season and I still think the same.Just imagine the fans reaction if we get a couple of sound beatings in the next two home games,you could feel us turning against him in the last home game which is pretty unusual as it seemed it was the majority this time rather than a small minority.

Chants of ‘ you don’t know what you are doing’ only 10 or so games into a tenure does not give me the feel of someone who is going to survive much longer if we carry on the same trajectory.

[Nolucklcfc]

27 minutes ago, ClaphamFox said:

We're not starting next season with a transfer embargo.

 

I assume Cannon was sold because it increased the pot of money we'd have had if a target became available and we needed to move quickly. I also don't think anybody at the club rates Cannon and so they were probably perfectly happy to see him go.

Still seems a strange one that. Surely you only let him go if you have a target lined up. He’s proven to score goals at championship level so why not reassess in the summer instead of having to buy a new striker? 
 

maybe he was a bad egg or something. 

[ClaphamFox]

11 minutes ago, Nolucklcfc said:

Still seems a strange one that. Surely you only let him go if you have a target lined up. He’s proven to score goals at championship level so why not reassess in the summer instead of having to buy a new striker? 
 

maybe he was a bad egg or something. 

Cannon hasn't been part of our first team squad this year so he didn't need to be replaced. 

I don't know about him being a bad egg, but some reports have suggested he had a major falling out with Vardy. Others have suggested that he has a very poor understanding of tactics and can't be coached to play in a particular way. Either way, it seems that the club wasn't remotely bothered about keeping him.

[Royston.]

Seems like "Yes  man" bollocks.

 

Were we actively talking to clubs when they "raised their prices"?

 

Also, does this mean the club would rather get relegated than pay extra for players needed to stay in this lucrative league?

 

As expected, the dumb****ery of this club continues to decide its bleak future and Ruud is toeing the line.