Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[dillonpanthers87]

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

[moore_94]

Just now, dillonpanthers87 said:

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

[The whole world smiles]

3 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Sadly couldn't find one that explicitly stated that Steve Cooper pushed for Skipp but Skipp said his relationship with Cooper played a part in him joining. 

 

Considering Cooper has signed players from his U17 world cup winning squad at all of the clubs he's been at I dont think it's a coincidence that Skipp was our marquee signing under him.

We will never know but I wouldn't be so sure Cooper pushed to sign him. He only started 6 out 11 games for cooper.  If he was a signing cooper pushed for you would expect him to have more opportunities to show his value to the club in the starting 11. But who knows we are both assuming and guessing without a source.

[CrazyKopCorner]

Just now, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

Spot on 

 

This man talks a good game but is a complete and utter fool 

 

The fact that Ward is totally shite is not our fault. 

 

The reaction from the fans is an honest one and by fans who care a great deal more than the manager or said player. 

 

[dillonpanthers87]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

Exactly - at least two levels of research - pre accepting the job, the managers own research which should be presented during interview perhaps, during job selection process or day one, club provides a detailed report of all players inc. youth, for first team players, pros/cons, considerations, how they like to be managed, relationship with the fanbase.

[HankMarvin]

8 minutes ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

It’s not like he brought his own coaches who don’t know the set up

Edited 23 December 2024 by HankMarvin

[The whole world smiles]

12 minutes ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

Where is this from?

[dillonpanthers87]

7 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Where is this from?

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-ruud-van-nistelrooy-naively-9814070

[Mr.Bingles]

27 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

Give over 🙄

[Dahnsouff]

47 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

Wouldn’t you ask those in the industry rather than a bunch of opinionated fans? Fans are way too emotive to be useful to any incumbent in terms of judging a players value. Might be a no brainier in this instance admittedly, but it’s a pretty risky place to get feedback for someone’s job prospects.

[Cropwellfox]

1 hour ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

Absolutely beyond belief if this is true. Shambles doesn’t come close does it?

[moore_94]

16 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Wouldn’t you ask those in the industry rather than a bunch of opinionated fans? Fans are way too emotive to be useful to any incumbent in terms of judging a players value. Might be a no brainier in this instance admittedly, but it’s a pretty risky place to get feedback for someone’s job prospects.

But he seemingly hasn't even done that

[Fox92]

1 hour ago, dillonpanthers87 said:

"Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

This is either a cop out or he's admitting he hasn't researched these players. May explain why our best player has been sat on the bench for the past two games.

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, moore_94 said:

But he seemingly hasn't even done that

It’s a fair point! Always suspected this is an industry that circles the wagons if anyone raises concerns or questions though.

[Free Falling Foxes]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

Indeed, we needed someone who has sat down and watched a load of our videos from last season and..........

 

 

 

 

.....oh, hang on.

Edited 23 December 2024 by Free Falling Foxes

[Dmitry]

Cooper and RVN aren't to blame...our club is very broken, from the Top down. That's why Maresca was so eager to jump ship as soon as he could say Ciao.

[inckley fox]

I suppose there are some among us who have gone into positions of responsibility in their lives and been expected to do their homework to the degree that they're aware of the backstories and baggage of the personnel, in the same way many expect the manager to be with Ward.

 

But to be honest, I've seen so football managers showing a lack of awareness of what's gone on before them that I wouldn't have expected this. If he's well aware of what went on earlier this season, and last, then we're probably not doing too badly in relative terms. I'm not sure I'd expect his research to be sufficient for him to be well-versed on fan reactions to individual, fringe players the season before last!

 

What's worrying isn't so much the manager here, even if we are unsure of his suitability for the task. It's that, as a club, we seem to be less aware of important past events and dynamics than the average fan. The barracking of Ward was witnessed by dozens of people at the club in positions of influence, and nobody has communicated that to the new boss or, even worse, remembered it keenly enough to understand that it could be relevant.

 

That suggests that, as an organisation we're not fit for purpose. In football we're frequently reminded that we fans have no grasp of the nature of goings in this most elite and meticulously run of operations, and then you see decisions being made which show a lack of knowledge that you wouldn't expect from anyone with the merest of experience of seeing us over time. That seriously undermines confidence in the club.

[Tielemans63]

1 hour ago, moore_94 said:

This just tells me he had done absolutely zero research on the club or the players before getting the job and none since he got it

 

You would think managers would want to know if the fans have serious issues with certain players

That's both incredibly arrogant and negligent 

[alanf0x]

His hands tied already not being able to bring his team (backroom) from the off. 
 

Wait for the fallout at the end of January when he has been given about 5% of what he had been told he could spend 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 minute ago, alanf0x said:

His hands tied already not being able to bring his team (backroom) from the off. 
 

Wait for the fallout at the end of January when he has been given about 5% of what he had been told he could spend 

Where's the evidence for that? 

[honeybradger]

1 hour ago, The whole world smiles said:

We will never know but I wouldn't be so sure Cooper pushed to sign him. He only started 6 out 11 games for cooper.  If he was a signing cooper pushed for you would expect him to have more opportunities to show his value to the club in the starting 11. But who knows we are both assuming and guessing without a source.

First 2 games he stuck with Ndidi and Winks as they were the established players here and got a good result against Spurs. After the first loss he brought in Skipp for the next 5 games as a starter until he lost faith in the Southampton game and only brought him back in against Chelsea due to Winks's injury.

 

Seems to me that he had plans to use him as a starter but just lost faith in him. Similar to how Rodgers wanted Vestergaard but stopped playing him pretty quickly.

[alanf0x]

32 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Where's the evidence for that? 

The same person that told me that he was going to be appointed the week before he was.

 

We are a shambles off the pitch 

[davieG]

Asked if he knew of Ward’s reputation in the stands, van Nistelrooy admitted: “No, I didn’t. What happens in recent years is something I don’t know. You (the media) can explain better and the people within the club can explain better. But still, it must be difficult for him to experience it.”

But it’s something van Nistelrooy should know. It is important for him to be aware that one of the players he picks could generate an adverse reaction from the crowd and damage the atmosphere to the extent that getting a result is less likely. That he didn’t know does not reflect well on his research of the City players, nor does it reflect well on the club, who clearly didn’t brief him.

Maybe such knowledge wouldn’t have changed his mind. Even if van Nistelrooy was aware of the risks of the crowd getting on Ward’s back, he may still have wanted to give every player a clean slate, he may still have valued above all Ward’s ability with his feet, which is better than Daniel Iversen’s.

[Bilo]

There can at times be instances where the manager knows more than the fans. We're emotional, partisan and don't get to see how players we like, and players we don't, actually train. We've been wrong before and will be wrong again.

 

This isn't one of those times, though. I find it difficult to believe that Ward is anything other than our fourth best keeper in training. Either he trains incredibly well or Iversen is absolutely honking if that's the case. Even then, though, you'd only need to watch how we played in the 22-23 season with him in the sticks. Or ask the players. Or examine the statistics. Or look at why he didn't play a single minute of CHAMPIONSHIP football last season and Stolarcyzk did. Just basic due diligence. 

[Paninistickers]

I've kinda said this multiple times these last 24 hours, but I really feel a loathing for this guy. Real strong. A deep seated instinctive dislike for the man

 

He ain't one of us. You could tell that from the get go. 

 

Fortunately I give his tenure just days to live. Few weeks max.