King Power Out

[Gamble92]

Had to stop myself from commenting back to the KPFC drones on Facebook. Literally incredible. 

 

Just read "they've wiped the debt and donate to hospitals" and "remind me where we were when they took over, we were nothing"

 

Someone make it stop 😭

[Dan]

11 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

Had to stop myself from commenting back to the KPFC drones on Facebook. Literally incredible. 

 

Just read "they've wiped the debt and donate to hospitals" and "remind me where we were when they took over, we were nothing"

 

Someone make it stop 😭

It's fascinating to me. Totally fascinating the level of brainwashing that's successfully taken place.

 

Where we were when Aiyawatt took over? Substantially, indescribably better than we are now.

 

When Vichai took over from Mandaric? Actually quite comfortably better than we are now as well.

[Gamble92]

31 minutes ago, Dan said:

It's fascinating to me. Totally fascinating the level of brainwashing that's successfully taken place.

 

Where we were when Aiyawatt took over? Substantially, indescribably better than we are now.

 

When Vichai took over from Mandaric? Actually quite comfortably better than we are now as well.

The way they made the fans put all of the title win down to them is actually staggering. It's called the greatest title win because of how little was spent and the ridiculous perfect storm that was needed. Yet fans go on like they bank rolled or masterminded it with incredible decisions. How far down the list was Ranieri? 

 

Not even mentioning all the shit they did before Pearson sorted it. You then have the sacking of Ranieri that they were despised for until Vichai's death. Its almost as if Vichai's death made any criticism at ownership level unthinkable. Even when we started to see the cracks like the TV money loans. You couldn't call it out because his Dad died. 

 

But to now list off the achievements of the team since King Power and then almost say they don't care what happens now is mind blowing. I don't think they have ever been good at running the club and it was always going to end up like this. 

[Jon the Hat]

17 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

The way they made the fans put all of the title win down to them is actually staggering. It's called the greatest title win because of how little was spent and the ridiculous perfect storm that was needed. Yet fans go on like they bank rolled or masterminded it with incredible decisions. How far down the list was Ranieri? 

 

Not even mentioning all the shit they did before Pearson sorted it. You then have the sacking of Ranieri that they were despised for until Vichai's death. Its almost as if Vichai's death made any criticism at ownership level unthinkable. Even when we started to see the cracks like the TV money loans. You couldn't call it out because his Dad died. 

 

But to now list off the achievements of the team since King Power and then almost say they don't care what happens now is mind blowing. I don't think they have ever been good at running the club and it was always going to end up like this. 

As has been said before, I think you can draw a clear line between the Vichai period and the Aiyawatt period.  Vichai and Susan together were not perfect, but they learned from their mistakes, and I think made their own luck.

 

Since the tragic loss of Vichai certainly judgment has been severely lacking, and they appear to learn nothing.  There is zero evidence they have the capability to improve.  Unless he miraculously stumbles across and fully trusts & empowers a CEO who can both keep him happy/feeling important while making all the decisions, we are not going to bounce back.

 

Edited 8 January by Jon the Hat

[LCFCJohn]

4 hours ago, Dan said:

I can't think of another fanbase who plays down the size of their own club as much as ours. I just cannot picture anybody of a comparable size arguing for it to that level. Absolute madness, what has caused it?

No idea. Is the population and demographic of our city and country that different to Derby and Nottingham and their counties? In terms of those who are coming out with this rubbish I mean. I don’t think it’s a midlands thing as it does just seem to be us. I know it has been mentioned that Leicester are self-deprecating but there’s a difference in having humour in the dark times and taking the piss, compared to the outright lies in trying to cover up what is happening at the club.

 

The fact they are so desperate to put the low attendance down to the cold weather than the boycott is an example of it. They say it like it’s something to be proud of compared to a boycott. Most other fan bases, if being run to the ground like us, would see the boycott as a source of pride. There’s nothing to be proud about not attending a game because it’s a bit chilly, if you are a genuine supporter. Fair weather fans, couldn’t give a toss and the apathy has set in. 

[LCFCJohn]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

The way they made the fans put all of the title win down to them is actually staggering. It's called the greatest title win because of how little was spent and the ridiculous perfect storm that was needed. Yet fans go on like they bank rolled or masterminded it with incredible decisions. How far down the list was Ranieri? 

 

Not even mentioning all the shit they did before Pearson sorted it. You then have the sacking of Ranieri that they were despised for until Vichai's death. Its almost as if Vichai's death made any criticism at ownership level unthinkable. Even when we started to see the cracks like the TV money loans. You couldn't call it out because his Dad died. 

 

But to now list off the achievements of the team since King Power and then almost say they don't care what happens now is mind blowing. I don't think they have ever been good at running the club and it was always going to end up like this. 

Good post.

 

Obviously Vichai had things Aiyawatt doesn’t. He was decisive so if he made mistakes (of which he did many), they were at least addressed. He was a better businessman as well and at least kept the finances under control at that point.

 

But it’d a stretch to suggest he really understood football and had a strategy. Look at clubs like Brighton and Brentford where their rise to the top flight and remaining competitive is known to be down to the strategic set up throughout each club by Tony Bloom and Matthew Benham respectively. We’ve never had that. We pulled a couple of gems out of France but we’ve never searched wider.  All the good stuff behind the scenes, sports science and the good scouting we did do for a time was down to Pearson and his team. To a lesser extent, the work of Puel and Macia paved the way for better times again. But things like fitness, sports science and mentality have been in decline and lacking since Pearson left and as those he brought in moved on. 
 

It’s always been built on weak foundations as you suggest.

 

And yes, making the success all about them is what has caused the cult that we see today. So devoted and brainwashed that they can’t even think critically and accept there are any failings.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

4 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

Had to stop myself from commenting back to the KPFC drones on Facebook. Literally incredible. 

 

Just read "they've wiped the debt and donate to hospitals" and "remind me where we were when they took over, we were nothing"

 

Someone make it stop 😭

Unfortunately and I hate to say it, but observe who many of these people are at games and online. The short of it as that many are thick and ignorant people. They are not bright, intelligent and reasoned folk. Again I hate to say it, but I’m willing to bet many indicators of intelligence (education, better jobs and such like) are held in abundance by the likes of us because our views are based on criticality and in-depth analysis of facts and trends.
 

On the other hand, KPFC views are based on blind or blinkered loyalty to someone whose dad did much better than he did. As someone has said, if Aiyawatt bought us in November 2018 I think many people would take a different view - but you’re right people seem to think he’s beyond reproach because his father died in such a tragic way. That in itself makes my point for me. Park any emotion to one side, and objectively no reasonable person can conclude Aiyawatt has run a successful operation or a tight ship.

 

The sorts of people that don’t understand that you can think the father did well, but the son didn’t. Like you have to be an all in card carrying KP fan boy because Aiyawatt is related to Vichai. No thanks, life and success is much more nuanced than that.

Edited 8 January by Wasyls Pec Deck

[LCFCJohn]

16 minutes ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

Unfortunately and I hate to say it, but observe who many of these people are at games and online. The short of it as that many are thick and ignorant people. They are not bright, intelligent and reasoned folk. Again I hate to say it, but I’m willing to bet many indicators of intelligence (education, better jobs and such like) are held in abundance by the likes of us because our views are based on criticality and in-depth analysis of facts and trends.
 

On the other hand, KPFC views are based on blind or blinkered loyalty to someone whose dad did much better than he did. As someone has said, if Aiyawatt bought us in November 2018 I think many people would take a different view - but you’re right people seem to think he’s beyond reproach because his father died in such a tragic way. That in itself makes my point for me. Park any emotion to one side, and objectively no reasonable person can conclude Aiyawatt has run a successful operation or a tight ship.

 

The sorts of people that don’t understand that you can think the father did well, but the son didn’t. Like you have to be an all in card carrying KP fan boy because Aiyawatt is related to Vichai. No thanks, life and success is much more nuanced than that.

Interesting take.

 

I had a different view that assumes that people can be quite intelligent in their wider/earlier lives but not when it comes to this. Essentially, it is a cult and intelligent people can get sucked into cults. It’s more about strength on the mind.

 

My view was that many are of the boomer generation, and likely from the county rather than the city. I am from a relatively affluent part of the country myself and know the types. Many of these people had had their careers and mortgages etc during good times, property prices cheap and career trajectories good. Being able to spend your career with the same company and not be worried about constant restructures and redundancy risks that happen now. All of this changes someone’s perspective on value for money, particularly later in life when mortgages are paid. And this would mean people just pay the season ticket and don’t give it a second thought. It becomes habit. So intelligent people who have done well for themselves, albeit in easier times that we have now, but just can’t snap out of this obsession with KP.

 

And to be clear, this is not tarring a whole generation as plenty of people that have been down there for 50+ years are critical and angry at the state of the club. It is just a reason I think (and from people I know) that seems to be an explanation for some of them.

[Voll Blau]

What does my head in time and again is the "we've seen it all so it doesn't matter now" attitude and the farcical insistence that younger fans are spoilt twats who constantly expect success.

 

Don't you want your children and grandchildren to enjoy similar memories in future?

[funkyrobot]

Interesting that everyone is moaning about the numerous KPFC fans who are pro Top but not many of these fans has come on here defending him. Are you sure there’s that many? There’s certainly not many on this thread  or on foxestalk in general. Obviously there will be an element of our supporter base that are unable to extract themselves from the emotional pull of the past, of Vichai and of the successes that he helped bring but most people I see on here, those I speak to at the games and on see on Twitter are  in agreement that since Top has taken over and almost from the FA Cup win, there has been a marked and continued decline in the club that can only be pointed to catastrophic mismanagement by him and his senior team. 
 

[Iwebema]

30 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

What does my head in time and again is the "we've seen it all so it doesn't matter now" attitude and the farcical insistence that younger fans are spoilt twats who constantly expect success.

 

Don't you want your children and grandchildren to enjoy similar memories in future?

Its bizarre to me that any football fans would just accept "being where we belong"

Its competitive sport, what's the point if you arent always trying to get better and push for more, I know at certain times for some clubs just existing is an achievement, but that shouldn't be used as a benchmark to accept being rubbish forever. 

Obviously it wont always go to plan, but then you change and do something different, which has been our biggest failure, we have done the same thing over and over that has proven to fail and as such got progressively worse every season for 5 years.

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

1 hour ago, LCFCJohn said:

Interesting take.

 

I had a different view that assumes that people can be quite intelligent in their wider/earlier lives but not when it comes to this. Essentially, it is a cult and intelligent people can get sucked into cults. It’s more about strength on the mind.

 

My view was that many are of the boomer generation, and likely from the county rather than the city. I am from a relatively affluent part of the country myself and know the types. Many of these people had had their careers and mortgages etc during good times, property prices cheap and career trajectories good. Being able to spend your career with the same company and not be worried about constant restructures and redundancy risks that happen now. All of this changes someone’s perspective on value for money, particularly later in life when mortgages are paid. And this would mean people just pay the season ticket and don’t give it a second thought. It becomes habit. So intelligent people who have done well for themselves, albeit in easier times that we have now, but just can’t snap out of this obsession with KP.

 

And to be clear, this is not tarring a whole generation as plenty of people that have been down there for 50+ years are critical and angry at the state of the club. It is just a reason I think (and from people I know) that seems to be an explanation for some of them.

Oh now that is interesting and in depth!

[CosbehFox]

47 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Interesting that everyone is moaning about the numerous KPFC fans who are pro Top but not many of these fans has come on here defending him. Are you sure there’s that many? There’s certainly not many on this thread  or on foxestalk in general. Obviously there will be an element of our supporter base that are unable to extract themselves from the emotional pull of the past, of Vichai and of the successes that he helped bring but most people I see on here, those I speak to at the games and on see on Twitter are  in agreement that since Top has taken over and almost from the FA Cup win, there has been a marked and continued decline in the club that can only be pointed to catastrophic mismanagement by him and his senior team. 
 

Facebook is generally pro King Power but there’s part of me which is fairly convinced that it’s not actually that many (but rather who it appears) and not many actual match goers 

Edited 8 January by CosbehFox

[Stadt]

I’d wager lots of the ardent KPFC hordes on Facebook don’t go to games. Easy to say do x, y and z if you don’t have any skin in the game. 
 

Typically our away support is more scathing than at home, exactly because away fans spend more time and money following the team. The same applies to FT, we’re interested and motivated enough find out more, read and post about the team, we know what’s going on.

 

The Facebook lot have never heard of Macquarie, probably half wouldn’t recognise Rudkin. They don’t have the authority to chastise anybody because they know almost nothing of the situation. 

[The Year Of The Fox]

58 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

Interesting that everyone is moaning about the numerous KPFC fans who are pro Top but not many of these fans has come on here defending him. Are you sure there’s that many? There’s certainly not many on this thread  or on foxestalk in general. Obviously there will be an element of our supporter base that are unable to extract themselves from the emotional pull of the past, of Vichai and of the successes that he helped bring but most people I see on here, those I speak to at the games and on see on Twitter are  in agreement that since Top has taken over and almost from the FA Cup win, there has been a marked and continued decline in the club that can only be pointed to catastrophic mismanagement by him and his senior team. 
 

Coming on here and discussing anything at all requires a modicum of intelligence and being able to hold a debate or argument backed up with valid points.

 

You can’t do that with supporting King Power because there aren’t any defences. 

[Gamble92]

3 hours ago, LCFCJohn said:

Good post.

 

Obviously Vichai had things Aiyawatt doesn’t. He was decisive so if he made mistakes (of which he did many), they were at least addressed. He was a better businessman as well and at least kept the finances under control at that point.

 

But it’d a stretch to suggest he really understood football and had a strategy. Look at clubs like Brighton and Brentford where their rise to the top flight and remaining competitive is known to be down to the strategic set up throughout each club by Tony Bloom and Matthew Benham respectively. We’ve never had that. We pulled a couple of gems out of France but we’ve never searched wider.  All the good stuff behind the scenes, sports science and the good scouting we did do for a time was down to Pearson and his team. To a lesser extent, the work of Puel and Macia paved the way for better times again. But things like fitness, sports science and mentality have been in decline and lacking since Pearson left and as those he brought in moved on. 
 

It’s always been built on weak foundations as you suggest.

 

And yes, making the success all about them is what has caused the cult that we see today. So devoted and brainwashed that they can’t even think critically and accept there are any failings.

How did we let them make the Premier League win all about them? I remember at the time other fans asking why they are parading the trophy themselves but our fans in the main never seemed to be that bothered by it? 

 

They even had a picture of the ****ing King of Thailand with them. Who subsequently got more of a send off than Gordon Banks by the way. 

 

There is absolutely nothing about our history unless it involves King Power or Thailand. 

[Katy]

13 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

How did we let them make the Premier League win all about them? I remember at the time other fans asking why they are parading the trophy themselves but our fans in the main never seemed to be that bothered by it? 

 

They even had a picture of the ****ing King of Thailand with them. Who subsequently got more of a send off than Gordon Banks by the way. 

 

There is absolutely nothing about our history unless it involves King Power or Thailand. 

This is what pisses me off as well. They’ve infiltrated every fibre of the club to the point where you have to search pretty hard to find anything pre-KP takeover at the ground, like our ‘history’ began in 2010. 
 

You look at Arsenal, Leeds, Man Utd etc and their grounds are prominent with statues of former players and managers and we’ve got….Vichai and that’s it. We’ve just been used as a dick swinging exercise to show off to the higher-ups in Thailand and it’s revolting. 

Edited 8 January by Katy

[LCFCJohn]

16 minutes ago, Gamble92 said:

How did we let them make the Premier League win all about them? I remember at the time other fans asking why they are parading the trophy themselves but our fans in the main never seemed to be that bothered by it? 

 

They even had a picture of the ****ing King of Thailand with them. Who subsequently got more of a send off than Gordon Banks by the way. 

 

There is absolutely nothing about our history unless it involves King Power or Thailand. 

I think a lot of us have long since been uncomfortable with things like the parading of the trophy, Thai king, status of Vichai over any of our actual past playing hero’s, inside the ground displaying stuff like the club only started existing 2010 etc, it goes on. Oh and Aiyawatt when we won the league with Maresca and the Thai influencers being the pits. 

 

Honestly, due to the success we were seeing, I suppose it was grumbles but not enough to cause a revolt which is hardly surprising when you see how many people still won’t say a bad word. 
 

Ultimately, had there been criticism back then, it likely would have been shut down but I agree it is reflective of KP that all this has happened. 
 

These are things we can take back. The statue should be in the memorial garden, not on the entrance to the ground. They can’t erase our history though. It is what amazes me when all these devoted followers all claim to be supporters for 50+ years. They are blind to all this and the disrespect that KP, even under Vichai, have shown the history of the club.

[MattFox]

You’d think King Power personally rebuilt the LRI and fund the city council the way some go on

[LCFCJohn]

4 minutes ago, MattFox said:

You’d think King Power personally rebuilt the LRI and fund the city council the way some go on

All this on top of Aiyawatt’s golden boot in 2015/16, very impressive!

[Fox92]

27 minutes ago, MattFox said:

You’d think King Power personally rebuilt the LRI and fund the city council the way some go on

You'd think we were a league 1 team that got lucky as well. Pisses me off.

 

Throughout our history we've played in the third tier only once, won domestic trophies and played in Europe all before King Power. Yet people talk as if they saved us and we're some lower league club lucky to be in the top flight.

[Out Foxed]

1 hour ago, MattFox said:

You’d think King Power personally rebuilt the LRI and fund the city council the way some go on

people not understanding tax breaks

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

How did we let them make the Premier League win all about them? I remember at the time other fans asking why they are parading the trophy themselves but our fans in the main never seemed to be that bothered by it? 

 

They even had a picture of the ****ing King of Thailand with them. Who subsequently got more of a send off than Gordon Banks by the way. 

 

There is absolutely nothing about our history unless it involves King Power or Thailand. 

The way the recent death of John Robertson was acknowledged was a disgrace. For anyone who watched Leicester during that period of O’Neil/Robertson would be pissed off by it. I don’t think we even held a minute silence. The notification came out a day later. We have three or four players from that era doing Leicester tv shit. 
 

And also, for people of that generation, it wasn’t Vichai or Top who first made us dream it was Martin and his rants at people like Ken Bates and multiple cup runs, penalty shoot outs and come backs. Little didn’t do a bad job of being an underdog before that. Teams went up to the PL back then and aimed to a “Leicester” or a “Wimbledon” against the odds. 
 

Top being a fan of cup final v Boro meant it would’ve pissed him off too. I wonder if he enjoyed the other two cup finals of that era against Spurs and Tranmere. Must hate Erland Johnsen too. 

[Rubbersoul]

2 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

How did we let them make the Premier League win all about them? I remember at the time other fans asking why they are parading the trophy themselves but our fans in the main never seemed to be that bothered by it? 

 

They even had a picture of the ****ing King of Thailand with them. Who subsequently got more of a send off than Gordon Banks by the way. 

 

There is absolutely nothing about our history unless it involves King Power or Thailand. 

The portrait of the Thai King being paraded around the pitch and hogging the trophy was ridiculous looking back. 

[VLC86]

3 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Interesting that everyone is moaning about the numerous KPFC fans who are pro Top but not many of these fans has come on here defending him. Are you sure there’s that many? There’s certainly not many on this thread  or on foxestalk in general. Obviously there will be an element of our supporter base that are unable to extract themselves from the emotional pull of the past, of Vichai and of the successes that he helped bring but most people I see on here, those I speak to at the games and on see on Twitter are  in agreement that since Top has taken over and almost from the FA Cup win, there has been a marked and continued decline in the club that can only be pointed to catastrophic mismanagement by him and his senior team. 
 

Each platform has its own echo chamber doesn’t it.

 

Facebook- “KPFC” 

Twitter- I’d like everything and everyone to burn immediately please.

Here- The most vocal are KP out, i suspect more KPFC exist on here but give up posting due to pile ons or even in some cases, completely shying away from any rational.

 

Are there that many “KPFC’s”? I’d say so, I know some people who are willing to acknowledge things aren’t ideal but think things could be worse. I won’t speak for others, but what I found most difficult when crossing the above to being KP out, was just how incredible that whole period of my life was when we were flying so I really can understand it to some degree, even more so when you factor in the compassionate angle re Vichai. However, I do get really frustrated when I try to have a well reasoned, and in my opinion, well balanced debate with the KP in lot who just want to shut it all down and make it disappear like significant and massively consequential mistakes have been made continually.